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[Muslimah]

^ Osho you're so smart mashallah!

With all the "Islamic hate" going on, I am thinking of leaving Islam. Someone come kill me!

JK JK...the difference between them and I is I love my religion and know it doesn't teach me to blow everyones heads off!

[شمله ور خراساني]

Maseed

I ll request you that whenever you can you may collect all the verses of the Holy Quran above you quoted about the peaceful Islam and start a new thread on the peaceful side of Islam otherwise these extremists will really create such a hateful environment that many including me may really feel very bad about Quran and Islam.

Momin can help you organizing the topic so that we can present a peaceful face of Islam to the world.

On hadith I follow Imam Abu hanifa approach that accept those hadith which dont contradict Quran and reason. Thats why he was called ahle raye, the man of reason.

Imam Abu Hanifa also said that if a person does not pray then you should brake his teeth. Do you also agree with that?


And about the Quran topic. That would be a good idea since most of you proponents of Christianity will finally get the chance to read a few verses of Quran instead of posting trash on Pashtunforums all day long.

[Muslimah]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Surat At-Tauba 9:29"

Sounds here that we are to fight the non-believers of the book. That means we should not be fighting Christians and Jews.

Unless I can't read and the Qur'an can't write?....

[شمله ور خراساني]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Surat At-Tauba 9:29"

Sounds here that we are to fight the non-believers of the book. That means we should not be fighting Christians and Jews.

Unless I can't read and the Qur'an can't write?....

Didn't the prophet Muhammad fight the Byzantine empire? Didn't he fight the Jews in Madina and Khaibar? Didn't he?

Are you saying that the prophet muhammad saww acted against Qur'an?

[Azmatullah]

Who is saying Islam teaches people to blow everyone's heads off? Weird.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Oh yea! The jews and christians don't really follow their book. They have changed their book over and over again.

So technically the real people of the book are very rare and don't really exist anymore because most of the Jews and Christians have deviated from the true teachings of their books.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Who is saying Islam teaches people to blow everyone's heads off? Weird.

That's the conclusion she draws.

[inqilab]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Surat At-Tauba 9:29"

Sounds here that we are to fight the non-believers of the book. That means we should not be fighting Christians and Jews.

Unless I can't read and the Qur'an can't write?....

Wow! Talk about a mistranslation. It says

وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

...and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the jizia with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

So it is telling us to fight the people of the book until they pay jizia and feel subdued. Your understanding is completely the opposite.

This is why it is so dangerous to try to interpret the Quran based upon another interpretation. Since a translation of the Quran is an interpretation of the translator. If his understanding is corrupt, than his translation will be according to his false ideas. It is so important to have the ahadith interpreting the Quran.

[inqilab]

This ayah actually refutes you lol

And keep in mind surat tawba was the second last surat to be revealed. It gives the official final rulings on many things.

[inqilab]

Because sometimes killing is not the Answer to such things. And Quran does not give a specific detail of how to kill a person who leaves Islam. You see, if a Hadith contradicts the Quran, then its of every right of any Muslim to question it, as most of you guys are much more politically motivated than Relgionously.

Regards

I agree with you. But the contradiction only exist in peoples heads. Not in islam.

The Quran does not prohibit killing apostates. It only speaks about those that apostate and try to cause problems.

Allahs Messenger [s] speaks of those who apostate only. And he [s] permitted this depending on the person.

So no one can say killing apostates is not allowed.

[inqilab]

Oh yea! The jews and christians don't really follow their book. They have changed their book over and over again.

So technically the real people of the book are very rare and don't really exist anymore because most of the Jews and Christians have deviated from the true teachings of their books.

Most people who call themselves jews and christians do not even believe in one god.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

What is wrong with killing apostates? Allahs Messenger [s] did it. And this confirms that it is ok.

You cannot kill fornicators.

Why are you picking and choosing?

I am not picking and choosing. I highlighted the points that Sangar mentions about Islam.

Why are you insulting Christianity when those three points confirms your own understanding of Islam?

Also, the Prophet (saw) never killed anyone who left Islam.

[ozymandias]

Most people who call themselves jews and christians do not even believe in one god.

I have never met a Christian that didn't -- and I have met quite a few of them.

[spogmai shaglay]

^ Osho you're so smart mashallah!

With all the "Islamic hate" going on, I am thinking of leaving Islam. Someone come kill me!

JK JK...the difference between them and I is I love my religion and know it doesn't teach me to blow everyones heads off!

Muslima... dont let any one change ur opinion about Islam..... if ur Imaan is strong no one in this world can make u go against or away from Islam......Islam is of course all about our Imaan ......100 people here say 100 different things without any authentic proof..........read for ur self and draw conclusions........

[ozymandias]

But is trinity even logically possible? I'll open a new thread about this in Religion section

Since when were religions logical?