Death penalty for leaving Islam discussion.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Leaving Islam is one thing and committing adultery is something else. You can't compare them.

Don't divert. You said that allah says that the prophet saww is not here to be a policeman, but only to convey the messege. Yet he did kill people for the sake of allah and he did punish people.


And whats worse, commuting adultary and cheating on your wife, abandoning the religion and turning your back on Allah?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Most of the time i get dumbfounded by your logical reasoning. I am not going to bother, I might pop a vein.

I am convinced.

[Muslimah]

What are you trying to imply there?

Do you believe Islam is the true religion? Do you want people to leave Islam?

She isn't saying that. She is just saying that by saying we dont have freedom - we are a religion of oppression and not peaceful. I think that is what she's trying to say. Sorry if I am wrong.

Q is proud to be Muslim. She is Muslim by choice. But is also aware of her rights!

Many religious scholars - no matter what the religion, may be disappointed/violent if you leave their religion. I know Christians like that...

I think we need some quotes from Quran/hadith...rather than this back and forth - getting nowhere arguements

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Don't divert. You said that allah says that the prophet saww is not here to be a policeman, but only to convey the messege. Yet he did kill people for the sake of allah and he did punish people.


And whats worse, commuting adultary and cheating on your wife, abandoning the religion and turning your back on Allah?

Stoning to death was a Jewish custom, NOT AN ISLAMIC CUSTOM. Islam abrogated this Jewish law. The Prophet (saw) had to do it because of societal disorder and it was the only law available, the Quranic injunction was not revealed yet. Leaving Islam does not cause societal disorder, adultery does.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I think we need some quotes from Quran/hadith...rather than this back and forth - getting nowhere arguements

Those who are in favour of killing apostates should back it up. We who are against it have already given evidence that those who leave Islam can do so.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

can you explain to me my dear brother how it causes disorder?

Manana

The social fabric of society is in the family. Family existed before religion.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Stoning to death was a Jewish custom, NOT AN ISLAMIC CUSTOM. Islam abrogated this Jewish law. The Prophet (saw) had to do it because of societal disorder and it was the only law available, the Quranic injunction was not revealed yet. Leaving Islam does not cause societal disorder, adultery does.

So the prophet saww was left in the middle by the allah and he had to rely on jewish customs who opposed him and reviled him to solve a matter?

WOW!

And adultary causes societal disorder therefore it is worse than turning your back on allah?

SOmebody should publish all your posts on Pashtunforums in a small pocket-size book. It would be a hell of a read for long boring train-rides. I'd bet they will even give you a show on comedy-central.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So the prophet saww was left in the middle by the allah and he had to rely on jewish customs who opposed him and reviled him to solve a matter?

WOW!

And adultary causes societal disorder therefore it is worse than turning your back on allah?

SOmebody should publish all your posts on Pashtunforums in a small pocket-size book. It would be a hell of a read for long boring train-rides. I'd bet they will even give you a show on comedy-central.

It took the Holy Quran 23 years to complete. Enough said.

You are not going to stop, even if you know that you can't back up your belief.

Good night.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Can you please provide that evidence so I can see it. Manana

Read the whole thread dear brother. Qrratagai khore, has given many references.

[شمله ور خراساني]

It took the Holy Quran 23 years to complete. Enough said.

You are not going to stop, even if you know that you can't back up your belief.

Good night.

You are convincing as ever.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You are convincing as ever.

Don't worry, the Prophet (saw)'s presence could not convince Abu Jahl.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Don't worry, the Prophet (saw)'s presence could not convince Abu Jahl.

You compare yourself the the prophet saww and me to a kaafir abu jahl?

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

Both Momin and Q are suffering from The Western University Do it yourself Logic and Reasoning Islam Mark 2.

There is a reason why Muslims shouldnt get degrees in Islamic Studies from teachers who are not even Muslims themselves.

When they do, this is what happens.

In the end the sit down to question the acts of the up right and righteous for the last 1400 years.

In addition, born/raised in Western culture, they see everything that is accordin to that value system or viewpoint as being the right/good way.

Ever wondered how many wives King Solomon had according to the Bible?? >700 !!! Just in the same way, you guys are also gonna tell me that Hazrat Ayesha's marriage was not right? RIGHT?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Both Momin and Q are suffering from The Western University Do it yourself Logic and Reasoning Islam Mark 2.

There is a reason why Muslims shouldnt get degrees in Islamic Studies from teachers who are not even Muslims themselves.

When they do, this is what happens.

In the end the sit down to question the acts of the up right and righteous for the last 1400 years.

In addition, born/raised in Western culture, they see everything that is accordin to that value system or viewpoint as being the right/good way.

Ever wondered how many wives King Solomon had according to the Bible?? >700 !!! Just in the same way, you guys are also gonna tell me that Hazrat Ayesha's marriage was not right? RIGHT?

So you are saying we should not reason with people?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Both Momin and Q are suffering from The Western University Do it yourself Logic and Reasoning Islam Mark 2.

There is a reason why Muslims shouldnt get degrees in Islamic Studies from teachers who are not even Muslims themselves.

When they do, this is what happens.

In the end the sit down to question the acts of the up right and righteous for the last 1400 years.

In addition, born/raised in Western culture, they see everything that is accordin to that value system or viewpoint as being the right/good way.

Ever wondered how many wives King Solomon had according to the Bible?? >700 !!! Just in the same way, you guys are also gonna tell me that Hazrat Ayesha's marriage was not right? RIGHT?

Actually these people do say that.

But forget the non-Muslim teachers at western universities. There are these so-called "muslim" professors at the university who recite Qur'an while playing the piano to entertain their friends to show how beautiful Quran is. And that guy is considered one of the greatest scholars of Islam bny these western universities.