Women and Sport...

[Gulalai]

faye just because we live in the west doesnt mean we have to love every single aspect of western culture. are you kidding me? you're saying we have disrespect for western culture but you're the one telling us that our men are "sex-crazed" and that our women can't think for themselves. whereas im telling you that in my experience the majority of westerners dont want to learn about Islamic values and instead criticize us through ignorance

[faye]

faye just because we live in the west doesnt mean we have to love every single aspect of western culture. are you kidding me? you're saying we have disrespect for western culture but you're the one telling us that our men are "sex-crazed" and that our women can't think for themselves. whereas im telling you that in my experience the majority of westerners dont want to learn about Islamic values and instead criticize us through ignorance

i don't love every single aspect either. but some of you seem to hate every single aspect except, movies, computers and rap music.
once again, you misquote me. where did i say your men are sex crazed?
i was pointing out that males and females can be together, semi naked, in swimmers, without the men going mental about the womens bodies. to do with conditioning.
you are also ignorant about your own society if you think women are doing things just to prove they can compete with men. women like to do all sorts of things that men do. it is not just to compete.
you also have the cliche opinion of feminism. because women in america fought for their equality, women like you are able to take advantage of that equality, to the degree that it has been won.

[Gulalai]

i don't love every single aspect either. but some of you seem to hate every single aspect except, movies, computers and rap music.
once again, you misquote me. where did i say your men are sex crazed?
i was pointing out that males and females can be together, semi naked, in swimmers, without the men going mental about the womens bodies. to do with conditioning.
you are also ignorant about your own society if you think women are doing things just to prove they can compete with men. women like to do all sorts of things that men do. it is not just to compete.
you also have the cliche opinion of feminism. because women in america fought for their equality, women like you are able to take advantage of that equality, to the degree that it has been won.

lol who are you talking about? me?
you said it in one of your earlier posts, if thats not what you meant then my bad -_- its not about men going crazy about women's bodies like we all have been trying to explain to you. its about modesty, self respect, obedience to Allah, etc.
no i didnt say that. i said if she actually wanted to do that job then it was a whole different story. but there are women out there who act like they have to prove that they dont need a man to do this or that w/e. Independence is a good quality to have but when it comes to it being about the opposite gender then thats not right. lol taking advantage? fighting for one's rights is one thing, not accepting the fact that men and women are different is another
you tell me to stop misinterpreting what you are saying but i have a feeling that you're not understanding what im trying to say either >.<

[Gulalai]

i think we should stop flooding Haris wror's thread

[faye]

I just find it a bit strange that, the majority of things Faye says here is what our nafs demands, "to be liberal" and act upon what it desires. And many a time has she tried to convince girls to her way of thinking.

A big test right here!

really, what big test? if you actually follow through on the thread, it was manzareh, that pointed out that 90% of men would be zooming in on a girls ass.
i can give my opinions on the forum. there are enough criticisms about my culture here, by those who happen to be living in the west and taking advantage of it's freedoms, so why not.
i don't care whether your women want to wear a burkha or hijab, that is all superficialities to me. a piece of cloth on ones head does not make a woman modest. her inner self is her true self.
so where have i tried to convince any woman on here to think or behave like me?
the girls like gulalai or laila actually have more western tastes than myself. pink stillettoes? lol. feet killers
but i can't see these good little muslim girls popping on their burkhas and going to help those women in afghanistan, clean the rubbish off the streets, can you?
what, no health and safety cover, no innoculations against hep a, b and c, etc. no gloves, no work boots, no uniform? the safety and the freedom of their little enclaves in the west is what is preferable. as kais pointed out, afghans don't wish to go back to afghanistan, in general.
why is that?

[Gulalai]

the girls like gulalai or laila actually have more western tastes than myself. pink stillettoes? lol. feet killers
but i can't see these good little muslim girls popping on their burkhas and going to help those women in afghanistan, clean the rubbish off the streets, can you?
what, no health and safety cover, no innoculations against hep a, b and c, etc. no gloves, no work boots, no uniform? the safety and the freedom of their little enclaves in the west is what is preferable. as kais pointed out, afghans don't wish to go back to afghanistan, in general.
why is that?

wow stop speaking like you think you know me. if you had actually read what i said before i posted all those pictures of high heels you would have gotten it. i said i dont actually wear those in public but i think they're pretty. i would love to pop on a buqrah and go help women back in Afghanistan mind you you dont know my intentions, you dont know my goals in life and for your information i would love to go back to Afghanistan some time in my future. But at the same time life in the west is obviously good. easy access to food, good health etc but at the same time it's not easy either. half the time because people like you like to judge people like us.

[faye]

haha, gulalai, always the victims eh? not like you are not judging us.

[Gulalai]

^ nope, same old faye from all those other threads i've read your posts in lol. except now i just think you dislike me because you dont agree with my beliefs but oh well...


let me just say for the record in case anyone misunderstood what i was saying. i dont hate westerners like faye is trying to say i do. i've met some great people in my life alhumdulillah & those people are open minded to things out of their boundaries. they aren't judgmental to other cultures or religions just because they dont agree with things. but if you look at things in a wider view you can see islamophobia was widespread throughout the whole western world. thats all im going to say, now i really will be quiet

[Breshna]

allahs creations, the human form, nauseate you? i find the human body to be an amazing and beautiful creation.

Allah s.w.t says keep that...body...covered.

Allah s.w.t does...not...say.

Go fill beaches...and show, what should..be

concealed.

Yes it is nauseating...a beach full of...naked...people.

That's my...opinion...

Same people...with clothes on.

I think its...wonderful.

[IamDZJ]

who says that your body must be exposed while you are participating in sports?

[faye]

Allah s.w.t says keep that...body...covered.

Allah s.w.t does...not...say.

Go fill beaches...and show, what should..be

concealed.

Yes it is nauseating...a beach full of...naked...people.

That's my...opinion...

Same people...with clothes on.

I think its...wonderful.

do you often go to look at the naked bodies at the beach, to make yourself feel nauseated?

[faye]

In fayes society its perfectly normal for the parents children to be committing fornication. I had a white friend once at school we went to his house his sister must have thought nobody was at home and she was having sex upstairs with her boyfriend (which was a friend of his older brother) i was shocked i thought sumin big is gonna happen but the only thing that happend was that he got a bit annoyed and later gave his sister a few cheap words and a dirty look and thats it - you know why? cuz in their society its perfectly normal, there is no use for the word 'shame' in their culture, everything is deemed 'natural'. your explaining something to someone which is not going to understand, these people be shopping for condoms to give their kids how do you expect them to understand something like dress sence! lol

aren't you part of the society in england, where you live manzareh?
actually, the original society where i live, didn't where clothes at all. so why should nakedness be unacceptable here?

[IamDZJ]

can you really blame anyone for enslaving dumb****s like you?? not only are neither one of you of any use yourself, you also don't let anyone else get far in life. then you whine about people taking advantage of you and bombing your villages.

[Manzareh]

what i find offensive manzareh, is that some people on here, live in the west but appear to disapprove of everything the westerners do.

So what. offended about what?? screw your west, you stole most of it anyway, when you moved into Australia did you follow aboriginal culture? or did you disprove of the aborigines way of life and completely practice your own culture, were the true people of America, Most of Africa, Australia etc not offended? were the indians not offended when you refused to wear saris in india?? offence didnt matter then did it, so why should you feel offended now.

everything that westerners do right..hmmm what is western culture? who are westerners? are brown people that practice islam but are also born and raised in the west not considered western? so you have to be white to be western or abondon your religion/ethnic morals? - hold on isnt the west about freedom of expression/belief/opinions and living your way of life the way you wish?? i believe it is, so why would you as a westerner feel offended when a group of people choose to dress in a certain way that they believe is right. you overtake the lands of a group of people you kill their generations off, establish yourselves and then some of you even feel offended breathing the same air as them.

every single person in society as a whole disproves of certain aspects in the concerning society.

i never knew that before coming on pf, how much muslims seem to despise the west.

What do you expect hug's and kiss's from us? for what..for the west interfering in our lands? or hugs and kisses for the hundreds of thousands of children killed in muslim countries or hugs from us muslims cuz were so glad how you portray us in the media or to the world for the interests of the 'west'.

the muslims i have been in communication with have been beautiful, friendly people so it has been a suprise to me to see your hatreds of the country some here live in and such disrespect for others who don't have your own values.

Do you think all muslims are stupid in the west? do you think were so stupid not to realise how the west is robbing the muslims for oil and resources by any means necessary, do you expect me wear a UK flag when iv just heard the village of my forefathers has been blown into smithereens. you think we dont walk around feeling helpless watching the media on how many of the people that look exactly like us being persecuted, you expect us to open newspapers and read how the west is destroying our countries then close it and smile. if people do hate then ther must be a justification for their hate.

you last line of disrespect for others who dont have our values bit is also laughable, We dont go up to non muslims and order them to wear a scarf, or force our employees to grow beards, all we do is ask to practice our values in peace, were happy with you upholding your own values just leave us to ours. you are the one in fact that show disrespect to any value alien to your own. so get your facts straight.

how are westerners forcing their ideas on you when you go to live in their countries?
then they say that the westerners are the racists.

what about the onces that never had a choice but to live in the west since the west blow their houses and livilyhoods up? or the ones that are born in the west. Maybe the people that view the west see the west as being racist for reasons that the white west is using the non white parts of the world as dumping grounds, test playgrounds for drugs and decease...and then you have war..i suggest you look on the map of the world and tell me how much of the non white countries is/have been destroyed.

[Alchemist]

I wouldn't recommend it for men. Let alone for women.

Sports in the modern world has become a substitute for religion for many.
The participants are idolized, as if their actions have consequences on the spectator's lives. And the way masses gather at stadiums it is almost too ritualistic and cathartic to say other wise. National sports, and the Olympics especially, usually have strong pagan motifs as part of their customs and traditions. The elements of most sports games are hedged on luck, fortuna. It is a celebration of the perfection and beauty of the human body. The ball is the sun and good is pitted against evil to score victory.

I wouldn't recommend athleticism as a career simply because the risks are too great and the rewards too few. Only one out of so many do get the flame and glory. Mostly it is gruesome. You get injuries that stay with you. The amount of strain you put on your body reduces your life span.
Women that do compete in physical strength produce more testosterone and become more butch and manly. Often the more successful females in any of these sports is the most manliest looking one.

It is a rather pathetic aspiration to have...to be an athlete for the sake of being one.
If however athleticism were a means towards a more meaningful end...like learning martial arts for the sake of defending one's self...then it is a totally different story.