Like flies around dung

[Damir9000]

If you're referring for death for apostasy, the classical fuqaha indicate that most of the time death penalty was associated with treason, and motives for sedition, so hence the proclamation was made since most people apostasized for seditious reasons. Outside of that context, apostasy would not require death penalty, so long as the person respected the social values of Muslims and did not try and sow sedition among Muslims.

This is why I don't get why apostates generally become contentious loudmouths, they're basically bringing it on themselves.

Treason
Yes I am aware of that interpretation.
Its cool if you believe that, I hope all muslims do one day too.
But you only hear about that interpretation by muslims in West.


This is why I don't get why apostates generally become contentious loudmouths, they're basically bringing it on themselves.

That's bull****.
Killing people because you disagree with them is not okay in any circumstance.
Being silent isn't a solution either.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

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That's bull****.
Killing people because you disagree with them is not okay in any circumstance.
Being silent isn't a solution either.

That's not what I'm saying, I'm talking about being confrontational, if you confront people, they'll think you're being seditious not simply "disagreeing".

[Damir9000]

You little drama queen, talk about over reacting.

Drama queen?

You're the one who created a thread because he can't handle the presence of Atheists on this forum.

[Damir9000]

That's not what I'm saying, I'm talking about being confrontational, if you confront people, they'll think you're being seditious not simply "disagreeing".

Confront people?
This is an internet forum, people are here to communicate with others.
Last time I check, Islamist hunt down secular people and kill them.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/fourth-secular-bangladesh-blogger-hacked-death-150807102408712.html

[Damir9000]

I actually looked up the quote in his sig by Khalid Yasin, totally blown out of context. Now granted I think such a statement was just sloppy on Khalid Yasin's part ....and I don't endorse Preachers like him who don't use more sophisticated language because it can easily be distorted.

But KHalid Yasin was using the double entendre of brainwashing, He was talking about purifying the mind and brain, as opposed to cultish indoctrination. Two completely polar concepts.

I think Damir9000 is probably a good kid, he's just going through an identity crisis, in 5 years he might become a "WahhabiI .....*criinge*

I hope not, but these people who go through such reactionary moves, tend to go to extremes.

Thank you for verifying it & proving Manzareh wrong.

About Khalid Yasin, I used to be a big fan of his. Not anymore.
Yes, i agree with you that is what he tried to say.
But never the less, it was a very very bad analogy.
Brainwashing is never a good thing and has no positive connotation.

Also the Quote is not blown out of context.
I simply quoted him, nothing more.
The rest is in you own head.

Brainwash: make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.
"the organization could brainwash young people"
synonyms: indoctrinate, condition, reeducate, persuade, influence, propagandize, inculcate

Now, Khalid Yasin is native english speaker. I am so surprised that he didn't know better.

In my opinion, it was a Freudian slip on his part.
But that is just my opinion.

Any case, it was a really stupid thing for him to say.

Don't judge me dude.
I am doing some Atheist dawah. The Great & Most Tastefull, Flying Spaghetti Monster will reward me dearly for my deed.

[Sarbani]

Thank you for verifying it & proving Manzareh wrong.

About Khalid Yasin, I used to be a big fan of his. Not anymore.
Yes, i agree with you that is what he tried to say.
But never the less, it was a very very bad analogy.
Brainwashing is never a good thing and has no positive connotation.

Also the Quote is not blown out of context.
I simply quoted him, nothing more.
The rest is in you own head.

Brainwash: make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.
"the organization could brainwash young people"
synonyms: indoctrinate, condition, reeducate, persuade, influence, propagandize, inculcate

Now, Khalid Yasin is native english speaker. I am so surprised that he didn't know better.

In my opinion, it was a Freudian slip on his part.
But that is just my opinion.

Any case, it was a really stupid thing for him to say.

Don't judge me dude.
I am doing some Atheist dawah. The Great & Most Tastefull, Flying Spaghetti Monster will reward me dearly for my deed.

Reminds me of this image, here they are being very open about it.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Confront people?
This is an internet forum, people are here to communicate with others.
Last time I check, Islamist hunt down secular people and kill them.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/0...102408712.html

Don't be disingenuous, you're not simply "quoting" Khalid Yasin you have an intended reason why you're putting that quote, and given the context of your other comments, I'm pretty certain it's to suggest something about Islam. So don't act like you're just throwing some nebulous quote out there and we're all filling in the blanks.

And with that said you are clearly trying to confront Muslims, you're not simply disagreeing with people but rather you want to do battle.

I don't care if you do, but don't act like you didn't know what was going on and you simply wrote some analytical piece where you failed to see the veracity of Islamic theological claims.

[Sarbani]

That's not what I'm saying, I'm talking about being confrontational, if you confront people, they'll think you're being seditious not simply "disagreeing".

Ex-Muslims simply stating that they've left Islam is being "seditious" according to most Muslims. Muslims should learn from Western Christians and just leave apostates alone once they come out.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Now, Khalid Yasin is native english speaker. I am so surprised that he didn't know better.

In my opinion, it was a Freudian slip on his part.
But that is just my opinion.

Any case, it was a really stupid thing for him to say.

It was stupid, but in my opinion it was his failed attempt at making some "play of words" with "brain" and "wash".. Whatever I don't even follow this guy or take interest in his preaching.

on't judge me dude.
I am doing some Atheist dawah. The Great & Most Tastefull, Flying Spaghetti Monster will reward me dearly for my deed.

Oooh wow, you're so edgy, haha you're so whitewashed it's not even funny, this is **** I see white kids parade around It's corny.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Ex-Muslims simply stating that they've left Islam is being "seditious" according to most Muslims. Muslims should learn from Western Christians and just leave apostates alone once they come out.

Right because historically, "Ex Muslims" HAVE BEEN seditious. It's your duty to show that's not the case.

[Sarbani]

Right because historically, "Ex Muslims" HAVE BEEN seditious. It's your duty to show that's not the case.

How do we prove we're not? Since when are ex-Muslims known for committing violence? We're certainly several magnitudes more peaceful than Muslims. This isn't the 7th century anymore so seditious acts back then don't apply anymore. Westerners have moved on from the Middle Ages, yet Muslims are still too stubborn to.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

How do we prove we're not? Since when are ex-Muslims known for committing violence? We're certainly several magnitudes more peaceful than Muslims. This isn't the 7th century anymore so seditious acts back then don't apply anymore. Westerners have moved on from the Middle Ages, yet Muslims are still too stubborn to.

Maybe try not saying stuff like this.

I'm atheist. I don't see all religions as inherently bad. However, Islam in particular is very toxic.

I mean I know I retorted back about something being "Toxic" but your rendering and understanding of it and mine were not the same.

[Sarbani]

Maybe try not saying stuff like this.




I mean I know I retorted back about something being "Toxic" but your rendering and understanding of it and mine were not the same.

I'm talking about in real life, not on the internet. The parents/community that we come out to never see comments like that from us.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I'm talking about in real life, not on the internet. The parents/community that we come out to never see comments like that from us.

Yeah but dude, people who do see comments like that could try to dox you, because from their perspective, you basically outed yourself and think you're surreptitiously out to undermine us.


I don't care THAT much, maybe a tad bit, I just see most of you kids trying to be edgy and get attention.

[Damir9000]

Reminds me of this image, here they are being very open about it.

Another good example of how religious people don't know how silly they look.