Toramana appreciation thread

[Sheenka]

shahri zad o khor ast

[شمله ور خراساني]

oh yeah ...I knew from day one that this "Pashtun Nationalism" stuff is just a cover/scam. A Trojan horse to create a facade of legitimacy.

Like oh see look I'm fighting and advocating the rights of Pashtoons, You should follow these very ANTI PASHTOON ideas because I endorse them.

Con Artists, all of them.

there use to be a member here who is not active any longer.

He knows the sons and grandsons of prominent figures in the pashtun nationalist movement of Pashtunkhwa.

According to him, one of the prominent figures owns porn cinema's in peshawar where they use to play porn movies where pashtun women were playing the lead role.

[ScimitarXEdge]

That is a fairly good assessment of the function of sex. I would say that some aspects of science buttress this. Take for example the amount of biological resource alotted to the creation of the egg versus that of the sperm. The idea is that the egg is like a diamond and the sperm is like quartz crystal (useful but less "valuable") in terms of its production and release cycle. He ought to read about the development of mate gaurding behavior and how this simple concept I cited in terms of the value of the gamete underlies that sort of behavior. The development of the cerebral cortex and usage to devise schema against the natural biological order continues to fascinate me.

"Reproductive costs can be steep for those who fail at mate guarding [8]. For men, a single failure at mate guarding could result in genetic cuckoldry, as happens when man’s wife becomes fertilized by a rival man’s

sperm. In addition to the direct loss of opportunity for reproduction, the husband risks investing years or decades of his own effort in a rival

’s child in the mistaken believe that the child is his own. To compound these reproductive losses, his wife’s maternal efforts now benefi t his rival’s child rather than his own. Furthermore, if the lapse becomes public, the cuckolded man risks damage to his social reputation, which could
bring about a decrement in mate value, a loss of status, and an increased future vulnerability to other mate poachers."

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homep...20Guarding.pdf

Beyond that, look at things from a physiological and biological perspective. The Genders evolved because of reproductive labor division; therefore the sexual dynamics of each have become directed in a complimentary manner. Women cannot become impregnated by more than one male at a time; and such a faculty arrangement requires increased paternal investment. Therefore situations where promiscuity or uncommitted sexual enterprise would not be an intrinsic mechanism in females, but a learned mechanism that would undermine the biological directives of sexual needs and therefore would be destructive to social and reproductive equilibrium amongst the species. These people are out of touch with reality and their own instinct and end up perceiving the dysfunctional as the healthy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

there use to be a member here who is not active any longer.

He knows the sons and grandsons of prominent figures in the pashtun nationalist movement of Pashtunkhwa.

According to him, one of the prominent figures owns porn cinema's in peshawar where they use to play porn movies where pashtun women were playing the lead role.

lol well there are some lewd Pashtun films, not sure what ethnicity the women were because often times they'd import women from other areas, Usually Mujra dancers. However, I wouldn't be surprised if these people saw these deviant forms of sexual stimulation as "healthy?

[شمله ور خراساني]

lol well there are some lewd Pashtun films, not sure what ethnicity the women were because often times they'd import women from other areas, Usually Mujra dancers. However, I wouldn't be surprised if these people saw these deviant forms of sexual stimulation as "healthy?

the import business is well known for years. However, there is a new development where they do not bother importing the women.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Nevermind

[شمله ور خراساني]

ok

[Baygham]

I nearly spit out my water, self destructive and dysfunctional modes of sexuality are healthy??? what a delusional paradox. This guy is a raving fool. That put's everything into perspective. Completely wrong since the evolutionary function of sex is not just based on consensual sex alone, but also the aims and goals of sexuality in it's entire expanse for it's correct and healthy usage. Hence society developed rules regarding sexuality beyond just "consent". We can see the blind and irrational mechanisms these people are working with. How people could conclude that something against our natural drives/faculties is healthy is beyond logic.

And yes he's right such concepts are alien to Pashtoons and should remain so. Let him promote these ideas for people who have deteriorated into dysfunctionality due to their technocratic societies losing their connection to their natural instincts; such as the Northern Europeans he feels inferior to and wants to cow tow for.

why do people who always advocate "commerce progress and cutting edge science" always contradict the very information provided by such streams of understanding.

But let's be honest, individuals like Baygham/Toramana, who are more worried about whether I say Pulwar in my screen name as a definition for Pashtoonness

This guy is definitely not raised in Pakhtunkhwah if he's Pakhtoon, and even if he is, he comes from a privileged background which has direct access to the sociocultural indoctrination of Europoid mores; the exact opposite of his whole "western born Pakhtoons" jargon. This guy is a fraud.

Be happy in in your culture, buddy. Get melted in the great melting pot, like the millions of Europeans and others, there is no role for lost generations coming back to father land in pakhtunkwha. If you feel alienated with your present circumstances and fascinated with arabic folklore, than go apply for saudi nationality or join an islamic center and be happy about it. This venom is not welcomed in Pashtoon land. It may be good business, I agree, but not needed. Kind of like, cigarettes, good for the farmers of Swabi, but not for the people of pakhtunkwha.

I wrote that post on Zina in 2003, now I dont have TV and dont get my medical and forensic updates from CSI, but am sure that was not popular back than and what I wrote was known in the public domain long before.

Belief is a personal preference, like the color of a shirt I may like. To impose and kill humans for it is sick. Whether those humans are pashtoon or jews, it is equally sick to me. If it is not to you, than go visit a competent psychiatrist, for you do need help.

To be honest I rather have 20 years of economic stagnation like Japan than what is presently happening in pakhtunland. Even mentioning the two in the same sentence is hogwash. 'chartha toothi lal, aw chartha lal dha badhakhshan".

[Baygham]

there use to be a member here who is not active any longer.

He knows the sons and grandsons of prominent figures in the pashtun nationalist movement of Pashtunkhwa.

According to him, one of the prominent figures owns porn cinema's in peshawar where they use to play porn movies where pashtun women were playing the lead role.

the bilours are not the face of pashtoons(they are actually hindkowan, we have BTW more corrupt and deranged pashtoons than them labeled as nationalist ). Just like Yazid is not a sunni hero, rotten eggs are everwhere.

[Baygham]

^ speaking of nang o namoose ...read this from his/her blog:




Smite him/her Scimitar!

Your God got offended with that, or did I activate a PTSD flashback,
please educate me why is consensual sex Allahs business, because?.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Your God got offended with that, or did I activate a PTSD flashback,
please educate me why is consensual sex Allahs business, because?.

What a circular and stupid question. It depends on who you are asking.

If you mean consensual sex between a married man and a woman then its a nonstarter and irrevelent.

If you mean consensual sex between a man and a woman who are not married or same sex then:

If you are asking this of a Muslim, then he will say "well because Allah made it his business to do so in his book."

If you are asking a nonmuslim, say a Christian, they might ascribe to the same as the Muslim generally as would an orthodox jew.

If you are asking an atheist or an agonstic or a nominal believer of some faith then he might say, "well I dont know."

[Nadir Shah]

Toramana!! An absolute king. Ole Hazrat Toramana, I am so very happy that I got an opportunity to learn from you and I rue the fact that I could not learn more from you. Despite your Tajik-phobia, you are rational, logical, clear, knowledgeable and a visionary.
*Salutes*

[Baygham]

What a circular and stupid question. It depends on who you are asking.

If you mean consensual sex between a married man and a woman then its a nonstarter and irrevelent.

If you mean consensual sex between a man and a woman who are not married or same sex then:

If you are asking this of a Muslim, then he will say "well because Allah made it his business to do so in his book."

If you are asking a nonmuslim, say a Christian, they might ascribe to the same as the Muslim generally as would an orthodox jew.

If you are asking an atheist or an agonstic or a nominal believer of some faith then he might say, "well I dont know."

Why should one say 'well I dont know'. I say God/allah/jesus or the holy goat/cow, what ever is ones fancy, ,has absolutely no say, in the affairs of two consensual adults (i am talking about a man and a woman of sound age and not trying to stir your homosexual fantacies) engaged in what ever healthy activity they so desire.

allah and his holy book, gita and the holy cow, or what ever you are reading at the moment, what has that got to do with it.

This stupid logic of dragging allah into everything has caused 10s of thousands of poor women jailed on idiotic charges of sexual impropriety in pakistan in the name of Islam. Think about them for just one second. Even the children of these women live in jails with them. Chanting Allah is great does not wash the stain on our collective consciousness of these horrific atrocities.

Do we want to see these things in the name of islam in pashtoon land. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12344959

[Alchemist]

Your God got offended with that, or did I activate a PTSD flashback,
please educate me why is consensual sex Allahs business, because?.

So if I come over to your house and sleep with any female member with her consent ... you wouldn't mind even if it was your wife?


just answer ..yes or no...

[Alchemist]

I don't see any reason why should mind ...


I am trying to think for you...

And I think you would actually like that...

I know in North American culture it is customary for couples to invite strangers into their sex life and even film it and what have you..."liberals" as they say. Of course you are not espousing an original thought here, but are just preaching liberalism and libertarianism and you too have your own gods and myths that you adhere to but I don't see how you will succeed with that in Afghanistan or Pakistan...And I am pretty sure that if even your daughter chose to get into the age old profession, you'd probably make her a brothel. I know you have that much sense of decency to support your own kindred in the pursuit of their own happiness...even if it may raise eye brows. You'd probably do it as an exemplary act from which your pashtun brothers would one day hopefully mimic. Ahh... I see a great future for you and tormanan in pakhtunkhwa...financially too.

So I retract my question...and to the real pashtuns who have a sense of ghairat, excuse me if I have been too graphic.