Toramana appreciation thread

[Toramana]

Was there a trigger? Did you feel discrimination as a Pakistani Pashtun?There are those with leftist leanings, I have met some Khattaks who were children of high ranking officials here at Yale, who were from Pakistan and equally do not like Zia policies, but they are staunchly anti India and not at all inclined to a Pashtunistan.

Does your family agree with your general assessments?

My father once had an argument with a Pakistani diplomat for example, regarding the status of the refugees. He noted that the Pakistani state restricted them to the NWFP province and that the flux of the refugees was limited into the other provinces, burdening NWFP and creating a climate of hostility between Pashtuns per competition and population issues. The diplomat responded that half of Aga Khan medical is filled with Pashtuns...

I certainly faced discrimination while in Punjab and Karachi. But you can face discrimination even if you are not east of Indus...Here in the West, I have met many non-Pashtuns who while trying to appear very nice will say something a Pashtun can't bear...


That day I met a Pro-Taleban Punjabi beaurocrat and Islamist hardliner now an immigrant arguing it is ok if there is some suicide bombing in historically violent Khuber Pukhtunkhwa/FATA or Afghanistan if it is in the interests of Pakistan (his argument was that area is used to it)...I had the impression they don't care as long as Pakistan east of Indus is in peace and gets benifitted from the instability/massacre on Pashtun land..

[Fahd]

dont keep it up man
u have bad views :p lolz jk

PF is glad to have member like u :p
(so we can proof to others that u r wrong :p with the western views :p )
lol

[IamDZJ]

This is so interesting to watch. DJZ is one feisty biatch who needs to be institutionalized. hahaah

Dear Professor Ms. Nudity is Art, are you ever going to elaborate on that or rather i make a thread about it?

[Baygham]

It says a lot about someone that they need to create their own "appreciation" thread because others do not/have not seen the merits of their ideas or personality.

I find the contents within the first either pure comedy, self deceit or arrogant posturing. The Pashtun Nationalist who on one hand pretends to stand for the ethnic group but advocates the cultural mores of Imperialists to rule over "his people". Bizzare, but we can see what this person is a Trojan Horse for. On that note, his arguments are paradoxical to say the least. He's against the rule of Islaam for being by some absurd notion a vehicle for another culture's intrusion upon Pashtuns which are products of conditions alien to Pashtuns, but cow tows and advocates Imperial models of cultural fabric and ideals to be imposed on Pashtuns, despite being a product of a habitat and conditions alien to Pashtuns. That's just the tip of the iceberg as they say.

I understand that many of his admirers are young or not familiar with the constructs of logical debate. How many standard logical fallacies Toramana employs makes you/us/myself wonder if this person actually has a competent academic education. He's a good Search Engine user and that's all, if that.

He's the snake oil salesman of the forum. Playing the heart strings of Nationalism, but fighting for Europeans.

Dear ShmuckX or what ever you call you yourself (a pashtoon would have said 'pulwar sooka' ). If your name is not to call attention to yourself than what else is. I read somewhere else that you consider yourself capable of getting a 'nobel' prize which you will subsequently refuse to accept. LOL, if that is not the height of

pure comedy, self deceit or arrogant posturing.

than what is.

Competent academic education. Is that meant to be an insult. A day in pakhtunkhwa, when it comes to our culture and heritage, is more competent academic education than your lifetime as a rat in some western lab.

Toramana wrora, sorry for us not starting an appreciation thread for you, and sorry to take your joke of starting one yourself seriously as well. In any case keep it up.

This is the third phase of pashtoon idiocy. First it was our elders (we excused them for they did not know better), than the facilitators of vested outsider interests (we will forgive them for they got fooled and were pennyless) but now we have highly educated, prosperous, western born second generation pashtoons bombarding us with idiotic fairytales. Guys my grandmother tells better 'keesai' than you guys ever will. If you are intimidated by the competition at the cutting edge of science and in global commerce and want to run to the sweet comfort of fairy tales, than go visit 'harry potter' in orlando. In pakhtunkhwa/Afghanistan we need proponents of 'amali dunya*' and are up to our noses with wheelers and dealers in 'khyali dunya'.

{Learned the term from an illiterate pashtoon in pakhtunkhwa. Describing a man riding a bike without his hands on the handlebar, he said, "he will come to 'amali dunya' when he hits that truck next to him, now he is in 'khyali dunya'". }

[Roshina]

Sorry Toramana - dizzyj loves nothing else but to wreck anybody's happiness or ability to have a peaceful discussion.
I am on the verge of leaving this stie
due to HER principally.
together with the fact that NO one will stand up to confront this fiend who speaks like a demoness. Except so far, BarakzaiAbdali.


It says to me that there's something seriously wrong with the people here that they have so little ability to see how cruel she is .


I have better things to do with my time.

Buh bye! And prove it that you've got better things to do with your time, sweetums!

[Alchemist]

Dear ShmuckX or what ever you call you yourself (a pashtoon would have said 'pulwar sooka' ). If your name is not to call attention to yourself than what else is. I read somewhere else that you consider yourself capable of getting a 'nobel' prize which you will subsequently refuse to accept. LOL, if that is not the height of than what is.

Competent academic education. Is that meant to be an insult. A day in pakhtunkhwa, when it comes to our culture and heritage, is more competent academic education than your lifetime as a rat in some western lab.

Toramana wrora, sorry for us not starting an appreciation thread for you, and sorry to take your joke of starting one yourself seriously as well. In any case keep it up.

This is the third phase of pashtoon idiocy. First it was our elders (we excused them for they did not know better), than the facilitators of vested outsider interests (we will forgive them for they got fooled and were pennyless) but now we have highly educated, prosperous, western born second generation pashtoons bombarding us with idiotic fairytales. Guys my grandmother tells better 'keesai' than you guys ever will. If you are intimidated by the competition at the cutting edge of science and in global commerce and want to run to the sweet comfort of fairy tales, than go visit 'harry potter' in orlando. In pakhtunkhwa/Afghanistan we need proponents of 'amali dunya*' and are up to our noses with wheelers and dealers in 'khyali dunya'.

{Learned the term from an illiterate pashtoon in pakhtunkhwa. Describing a man riding a bike without his hands on the handlebar, he said, "he will come to 'amali dunya' when he hits that truck next to him, now he is in 'khyali dunya'". }

Big talk from a guy who finds the remedies for pakhtunkhwa's problems off of CSI:Miami (west).

When a women is raped it should be easy for her to report it with honor and dignity without fear of persecution. This right to be part of a law. And violators punishable by law.
Once reported a case is investigated and if reasonable data suggest that a culprit can be convicted beyond reasonable doubt (witnesses, collaborative evidence, DNA matching etc) then he or she be apprehended and brought to justice and punished in a reasonable humane way. A few years in jail or transfer of his property to the women or such will suffice.

In this system the law is dynamic, new methods of investigation when available are looked at (like DNA analysis) the only underlying essence of the law is to decrease the incidence of rape in a society and mitigate its trauma to its victim.

lol...

Yeah, act like you get your wisdom from the shopkeepers of pakistan then laugh at intellectual pashtuns because they wear the same pants you do ...

you are funny...

[ScimitarXEdge]

Dear ShmuckX or what ever you call you yourself (a pashtoon would have said 'pulwar sooka' ). If your name is not to call attention to yourself than what else is. I read somewhere else that you consider yourself capable of getting a 'nobel' prize which you will subsequently refuse to accept. LOL, if that is not the height of than what is.

Competent academic education. Is that meant to be an insult. A day in pakhtunkhwa, when it comes to our culture and heritage, is more competent academic education than your lifetime as a rat in some western lab.

Toramana wrora, sorry for us not starting an appreciation thread for you, and sorry to take your joke of starting one yourself seriously as well. In any case keep it up.

This is the third phase of pashtoon idiocy. First it was our elders (we excused them for they did not know better), than the facilitators of vested outsider interests (we will forgive them for they got fooled and were pennyless) but now we have highly educated, prosperous, western born second generation pashtoons bombarding us with idiotic fairytales. Guys my grandmother tells better 'keesai' than you guys ever will. If you are intimidated by the competition at the cutting edge of science and in global commerce and want to run to the sweet comfort of fairy tales, than go visit 'harry potter' in orlando. In pakhtunkhwa/Afghanistan we need proponents of 'amali dunya*' and are up to our noses with wheelers and dealers in 'khyali dunya'.

{Learned the term from an illiterate pashtoon in pakhtunkhwa. Describing a man riding a bike without his hands on the handlebar, he said, "he will come to 'amali dunya' when he hits that truck next to him, now he is in 'khyali dunya'". }

Perfect example of Logically Fallacious tactics; Notice that the actual content is never addressed but irrelevant facts which do not pertain to the validity of the content, such as location of upbringing/birth of the author and snooty disclaimers against the material for example "My grandmother etc etc etc". Never factoring in a nuanced or more detailed understanding of migrational dynamics and motivations. In their shallow minded understanding is that if you live in the West, have an education, you're there to seek their comforts and patronage, nevermind how these cheats and cretins lie about living in Pakhtunkhwah and live in a Social Welfare society like Canada. Most of us are here for other purposes, higher ends, unlike these individuals who disregard the values, principles and religion held by Pakhtoons, as superstition all the while wanting desperately to sell their nang and namous to any ferangi. So they can have their delusional dreamworld of mechanistic hatred for Nature, something born not of reason, but of inferiority complex I might add.

The Paradox these people advocate competing in cutting edge science and global commerce, but yet are intellectual dead weight and can't compose a logically consistent argument in their favor. Always the same rhetoric, Straw Man Arguments, Ad-Hominem, Emotional Appeals. These individuals don't know what to believe. On one hand they're against Islam because according to their delusions it's a fairy tale, but promote the fairy tale of technocracy, despite the fact that it doesn't have the resources to survive the next century. What competition or cutting edge anything will that have in the future? Such hubris and over confidence in technocratic systems of society are why we're in the Global Environmental and Resource scarcity crisis in the first place. The nerve that they have to say that such repulsion is due to "intimidation"; when they fail to realize that it was because of being born, raised and directly involved in a technocratic culture that it's errors and pitfalls became apparent!!!

Straw Hairs are drawn, because I didn't use the Pashto word for scimitar, Pulwar although the word itself isn't actually of Pashto origin but a corruption of the Punjabi word Talwar. Yet never acknowledging Baygham is a Persian word, the anathema of the False Nationalists who want to stir animosity with our Farsi-Speaking brethren in Afghanistan. They'll use every crooked tactic, say the religious values of Pakhtoons is "fairy tales" and foreign imposed, but wholly embrace IMperialistic Mores to be imposed on Pakhtoons, not in Europe and North America but in the own backyards of Pakhtoons. Of course they'll hide under seemingly charitable guise of only "wanting for my people the luxuries I have for myself" but undermine the fact that the luxuries they claim for themselves are not compatible with Pakhtoon life; something totally antithetic than the pretentious claims of charity they're advocating.

This is what I meant by lacking a competent academic education, all one needs to do is use Logic and Rationality and you see their errors they persistently make and internal contradictions in their claims; someone who is learned about logic and reason and has experienced this in academic learning wouldn't fall into these trappings.

[Alchemist]

^ speaking of nang o namoose ...read this from his/her blog:

Consensual sex is no body else's business. A concept very alien to a pushtoon when his sister is mentioned. But something absolutely necessary for creating a just, healthy and equitable society.

Smite him/her Scimitar!

[ScimitarXEdge]

^ speaking of nang o namoose ...read this from his/her blog:




Smite him/her Scimitar!

I nearly spit out my water, self destructive and dysfunctional modes of sexuality are healthy??? what a delusional paradox. This guy is a raving fool. That put's everything into perspective. Completely wrong since the evolutionary function of sex is not just based on consensual sex alone, but also the aims and goals of sexuality in it's entire expanse for it's correct and healthy usage. Hence society developed rules regarding sexuality beyond just "consent". We can see the blind and irrational mechanisms these people are working with. How people could conclude that something against our natural drives/faculties is healthy is beyond logic.

And yes he's right such concepts are alien to Pashtoons and should remain so. Let him promote these ideas for people who have deteriorated into dysfunctionality due to their technocratic societies losing their connection to their natural instincts; such as the Northern Europeans he feels inferior to and wants to cow tow for.

why do people who always advocate "commerce progress and cutting edge science" always contradict the very information provided by such streams of understanding.

But let's be honest, individuals like Baygham/Toramana, who are more worried about whether I say Pulwar in my screen name as a definition for Pashtoonness

This guy is definitely not raised in Pakhtunkhwah if he's Pakhtoon, and even if he is, he comes from a privileged background which has direct access to the sociocultural indoctrination of Europoid mores; the exact opposite of his whole "western born Pakhtoons" jargon. This guy is a fraud.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Scimitar, some months ago, these Baygham, Toramana, Nadir Shah, Lewaney Zalmey etc were defending homosexuality.

[ScimitarXEdge]

haha he even uses standard slang terms like Shmuck, yeah definitely not raised in Pashtoon culture.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Scimitar, some months ago, these Baygham, Toramana, Nadir Shah, Lewaney Zalmey etc were defending homosexuality.

I'd believe it, these guys are quite possibly products of Bacha Baz.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I'd believe it, these guys are quite possibly products of Bacha Baz.

They claim to be Pashtun Nationalists, yet they are advocates of promiscuity, fornication and homosexuality.

The whole concept is so confusing that it jams my laptop.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I nearly spit out my water, self destructive and dysfunctional modes of sexuality are healthy??? what a delusional paradox. This guy is a raving fool. That put's everything into perspective. Completely wrong since the evolutionary function of sex is not just based on consensual sex alone, but also the aims and goals of sexuality in it's entire expanse for it's correct and healthy usage. Hence society developed rules regarding sexuality beyond just "consent". We can see the blind and irrational mechanisms these people are working with.

And yes he's right such concepts are alien to Pashtoons and should remain so. Let him promote these ideas for people who have deteriorated into dysfunctionality due to their technocratic societies losing their connection to their natural instincts; such as the Northern Europeans he feels inferior to and wants to cow tow for.

why do people who always advocate "commerce progress and cutting edge science" always contradict the very information provided by such streams of understanding.

But let's be honest, individuals like Baygham/Toramana, who are more worried about whether I say Pulwar in my screen name as a definition for Pashtoonness

This guy is definitely not raised in Pakhtunkhwah if he's Pakhtoon, and even if he is, he comes from a privileged background which has direct access to the sociocultural indoctrination of Europoid mores; the exact opposite of his whole "western born Pakhtoons" jargon. This guy is a fraud.

That is a fairly good assessment of the function of sex. I would say that some aspects of science buttress this. Take for example the amount of biological resource alotted to the creation of the egg versus that of the sperm. The idea is that the egg is like a diamond and the sperm is like quartz crystal (useful but less "valuable") in terms of its production and release cycle. He ought to read about the development of mate gaurding behavior and how this simple concept I cited in terms of the value of the gamete underlies that sort of behavior. The development of the cerebral cortex and usage to devise schema against the natural biological order continues to fascinate me.

"Reproductive costs can be steep for those who fail at mate guarding [8]. For men, a single failure at mate guarding could result in genetic cuckoldry, as happens when man’s wife becomes fertilized by a rival man’s

sperm. In addition to the direct loss of opportunity for reproduction, the husband risks investing years or decades of his own effort in a rival

’s child in the mistaken believe that the child is his own. To compound these reproductive losses, his wife’s maternal efforts now benefi t his rival’s child rather than his own. Furthermore, if the lapse becomes public, the cuckolded man risks damage to his social reputation, which could
bring about a decrement in mate value, a loss of status, and an increased future vulnerability to other mate poachers."

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homep...20Guarding.pdf

[ScimitarXEdge]

They claim to be Pashtun Nationalists, yet they are advocates of promiscuity, fornication and homosexuality.

The whole concept is so confusing that it jams my laptop.

oh yeah ...I knew from day one that this "Pashtun Nationalism" stuff is just a cover/scam. A Trojan horse to create a facade of legitimacy.

Like oh see look I'm fighting and advocating the rights of Pashtoons, You should follow these very ANTI PASHTOON ideas because I endorse them.

Con Artists, all of them.