Afghan nationalism vs Pashtun nationalism

[Nick]

well didn't you know Massoud is free of sin, when he drinks vodka; it's no longer vodka but Schweppes Gingerale , which is halal, when he cornholes Russian POWs, they magically turn into brand new brides. And when he takes money, kick backs from other nations who are using Afghanistan for geopolitical schemes, that's ok because it's not Pakistan, even though he did that too for a certain time, but was ok then because when Pakistan gave money to Massoud, they were just giving Massoud what was rightfully his anyways.

watching the video all it seems that Musharraf is saying Pashtuns support the Taliban because the government is full of Panjshiris.

How do you get defending Pashtuns out of that?

LOL English Problem perhaps. Don't waste much of time. People have different views but not as so pro-massud as the ghali kid above.
What-ever it maybe these Ghalis and non-Afghans or I shell Anti-Afghans who are in nature non-Sunni majority if sunni most likely Hippocrates who wants to defame Massud, After all Wasn't Massud's men who finished most of these Ghali people. If their support (anti-Afghan) support further increases for Massud although hes death and Afghan support drops soon. That's what I found as I have been living in the Cyber world I have seen how their support increased over the years and how normal Afghan support for massud dropped down. You just watch in a few years soon Massud's pictures will be out of site. Right now it stands high as a national hero, simply to send massage of anti-Talibanism.

[Paikaar]

This is preposterous to see I get warnings for my usage of language while this Salafi man continues to slander massoud and use abusive and derogatory terms and baselessly call him immoral!
If you have anything about his politics/military and can back it up with concrete evidence then go ahead. otherwise, accusing him of something which tarnishes his personality and dignity is childish and immature.
According to Islamic laws you believe in you could be lashed 80 times for slandering and not proving something. Or wait, that is only a cover

[Paikaar]

Just to spice up this rich culture of yours here is a bit of an old news which you may have missed.
Afghan tribesman marries a 16 year old Afridi boy
Afghan tribesman faces death for wedding to teenage boy - World - smh.com.au

[randolph85]

you can't defend your position so you post something that has nothing to do with the topic, or massoud? well done!

we could post embarrassing bits of news from iran, tajikistan, and northern afg but it would have nothing to do with the topic and would be a petty response.

[Mina]

Just to spice up this rich culture of yours here is a bit of an old news which you may have missed.
Afghan tribesman marries a 16 year old Afridi boy
Afghan tribesman faces death for wedding to teenage boy - World - smh.com.au

Since there's nothing left to say u thought of attacking cultures??? If we were to start about ur culture of dancing boys then we wudnt know which report, news, article, interview, or vid to start with. In Islam its also said to recognize ur own fault and learn from it, it also says not to turn pathetic regarding others while same similarities 're to be found iin urself as well, and it also says if someone curses u then ignore it with a smile. I don't ANY of these qualities in u and just by saying alhamdullilah and bismillah u won't become a Muslim. Understand Islam urself before preaching others, for ur own benefit. And whether our culture is rich or cheap atleast we 're sure of our identity and culture. What I get with Tajeks is they either came from an Arab countries very long time ago, either their great grandfather was Pashtun, either they 're not even sure whether 're truly Tajeks. Tajikistanis today see u as just Afghanis who happen to speak speak same language as them, while Iranians accuse u of stealing their language, culture and even some land. U actually 'vent even got same facial features as those people U call ur blood brothers, Persians/Iranians. Atleast non of these is the case amongst Pashtuns on either side. Still want to challenge cultures/identities? And why do u use 2 accounts in order to make ur point??

[ScimitarXEdge]

This is preposterous to see I get warnings for my usage of language while this Salafi man continues to slander massoud and use abusive and derogatory terms and baselessly call him immoral!
If you have anything about his politics/military and can back it up with concrete evidence then go ahead. otherwise, accusing him of something which tarnishes his personality and dignity is childish and immature.
According to Islamic laws you believe in you could be lashed 80 times for slandering and not proving something. Or wait, that is only a cover

oh I guess that makes it ok for Massoud to commit man-man sodomy now because someone else does it

great logic.

[Paikaar]

oh I guess that makes it ok for Massoud to commit man-man sodomy now because someone else does it

great logic.

I told you you don't have the logic of a man nor the intellect.
I posted the two things in different replies.
The first was to you.

The second was to the Bacabaazi links of Shayesta

While never it says massoud did that, You are very sure of Massoud's man of man action as if you were the object and him the subject
Come on admit it! Was it you. Your facial characteristics do look appear to be of a sosomises.

Are you sure you havent had any contact with the tribesman in above link? Who knows you may be in his welock after his Afridi bride was killed by his fellow tribesman

[Paikaar]

Since there's nothing left to say u thought of attacking cultures??? If we were to start about ur culture of dancing boys then we wudnt know which report, news, article, interview, or vid to start with. In Islam its also said to recognize ur own fault and learn from it, it also says not to turn pathetic regarding others while same similarities 're to be found iin urself as well, and it also says if someone curses u then ignore it with a smile. I don't ANY of these qualities in u and just by saying alhamdullilah and bismillah u won't become a Muslim. Understand Islam urself before preaching others, for ur own benefit. And whether our culture is rich or cheap atleast we 're sure of our identity and culture. What I get with Tajeks is they either came from an Arab countries very long time ago, either their great grandfather was Pashtun, either they 're not even sure whether 're truly Tajeks. Tajikistanis today see u as just Afghanis who happen to speak speak same language as them, while Iranians accuse u of stealing their language, culture and even some land. U actually 'vent even got same facial features as those people U call ur blood brothers, Persians/Iranians. Atleast non of these is the case amongst Pashtuns on either side. Still want to challenge cultures/identities? And why do u use 2 accounts in order to make ur point??

Our identity is proven fact and historical while your one God knows you don't know whether your are from punjab or Israel?

Now all your claims about our identity are as false as about my second userID. Where is my second user ID?

Just one of me is enough for your entire lot , don't need a second ID

[randolph85]

the link you posted says the people who attended the wedding didn't know they were aware of the circumstances and left when they realized what was going on. the authorities mentioned that he had violated laws and is probably dead today. all this points to this being out of the norm in the culture, or else there would be no hoopla about it and it wouldn't be newsworthy.

do you really want me posting articles about government sanctioned sex changes in iran, or greater khorasan?

[Mina]

Our identity is proven fact and historical while your one God knows you don't know whether your are from punjab or Israel?

Now all your claims about our identity are as false as about my second userID. Where is my second user ID?

Just one of me is enough for your entire lot , don't need a second ID

Many people came, adapted Farsi and Persian culture and now became supposedly Tajiks. U didn't get the point that Iranians deny links with u Tajiks of Afghanistan except for maybe with Heratis. Even Tajikistanis 're confused about what relation they share with u and despite of ur proven Identity ur fellow Persians themselves call u either Persianized Mongols or Persianized Arabs, and u 'll be kidding if u say that's not Iranian views. And about Punjab, Punjab itself contains of Pashtuns, Persians, Arabs, Indians and many others who 've always ruled this region. And about Israel, I'm glad we 're important enough for people to waste their time on figuring out our ancestors while the facts remains none of them can prove Pashtun identity only consists of Jews, Indians, or any other nonsense. And u know it, I know it and many other know it where we know u from so yeh right about 'ving one account only. And since u 're still stuck to ones sexuality only it proves what u 're good enough for and what not 'cause just one of us can also be good enough for ur entire tribe if like u we had to deliver foul language, point out homosexuality amongst Persians, sex changes amongst Persians and what not. But I can do better than that.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I told you you don't have the logic of a man nor the intellect.
I posted the two things in different replies.
The first was to you.

The second was to the Bacabaazi links of Shayesta

While never it says massoud did that, You are very sure of Massoud's man of man action as if you were the object and him the subject
Come on admit it! Was it you. Your facial characteristics do look appear to be of a sosomises.

Are you sure you havent had any contact with the tribesman in above link? Who knows you may be in his welock after his Afridi bride was killed by his fellow tribesman

Well it's common sense that if someone's a Commander and they're around watching their men butt-rape people, then those men are doing it under his orders, and that he is probably doing it too. After all soldiers follow their leader.

As for this story; there's no credible independent report corroborating it. As for Massoud's story there's a High Ranking Russian General and a High Ranking CIA Officer. I think there's a bit more merit to my conclusions than yours.

But hey if you want to keep grasping for straws, and invent homoerotic fantasies about people on this forum, just to defend your precious Homosexual Rapist Massoud, that's your own business.

[Paikaar]

Many people came, adapted Farsi and Persian culture and now became supposedly Tajiks. U didn't get the point that Iranians deny links with u Tajiks of Afghanistan except for maybe with Heratis. Even Tajikistanis 're confused about what relation they share with u and despite of ur proven Identity ur fellow Persians themselves call u either Persianized Mongols or Persianized Arabs, and u 'll be kidding if u say that's not Iranian views. And about Punjab, Punjab itself contains of Pashtuns, Persians, Arabs, Indians and many others who 've always ruled this region. And about Israel, I'm glad we 're important enough for people to waste their time on figuring out our ancestors while the facts remains none of them can prove Pashtun identity only consists of Jews, Indians, or any other nonsense. And u know it, I know it and many other know it where we know u from so yeh right about 'ving one account only. And since u 're still stuck to ones sexuality only it proves what u 're good enough for and what not 'cause just one of us can also be good enough for ur entire tribe if like u we had to deliver foul language, point out homosexuality amongst Persians, sex changes amongst Persians and what not. But I can do better than that.

Tajik is very much clear for the educated ones where it comes from and what the name means. Now for under educated folks belonging to a lower caste of the society I don't blame you don't know anything about Tajik.

Tajik means any Persian speaker who is neither Turk nor Arab. The terminology is historically older than the origination of pashtuns or their language.
Saadi used Tajik in his poems so did Jaami.
ٌٌWhere ever the Tajiks were Turks this terminology was used to distinguished them from Turks, who also happened to adapt the Great Language of Farsi.

In Varamin city near Tehran the people call themselves Tajik because their city has a population of turk and arab as well so historically they used it distinguish themselves from them.

Tajiks of Tajikistan Don'T like us LoL They are our brothers and appreciate that effort we made to end their civil war. They are the people who call Ahmad Shah Massoud their national Hero.
Tajik = Persian = Aryans and whether the Ruling Mullahs of Iran likes it or not the people know it and if some of them are sensitive thats due to geopolitics
and the unfortunate country called Afghanistan.

Now lets talk about you which is a hybrid product of Dravidian, Arabs, Punjabis. Your language was non existent until 40-50 years ago.
No culture and no identity. The class and inferiority of the language is such once you get to the cities your forget your own things and adapt Tajik culture and Language.
“Their system of ethics, which regards treachery and violence as virtues rather than vices...is incomprehensible to a logical mind”—Churchill

[Paikaar]

Many people came, adapted Farsi and Persian culture and now became supposedly Tajiks. U didn't get the point that Iranians deny links with u Tajiks of Afghanistan except for maybe with Heratis. Even Tajikistanis 're confused about what relation they share with u and despite of ur proven Identity ur fellow Persians themselves call u either Persianized Mongols or Persianized Arabs, and u 'll be kidding if u say that's not Iranian views. And about Punjab, Punjab itself contains of Pashtuns, Persians, Arabs, Indians and many others who 've always ruled this region. And about Israel, I'm glad we 're important enough for people to waste their time on figuring out our ancestors while the facts remains none of them can prove Pashtun identity only consists of Jews, Indians, or any other nonsense. And u know it, I know it and many other know it where we know u from so yeh right about 'ving one account only. And since u 're still stuck to ones sexuality only it proves what u 're good enough for and what not 'cause just one of us can also be good enough for ur entire tribe if like u we had to deliver foul language, point out homosexuality amongst Persians, sex changes amongst Persians and what not. But I can do better than that.

We are at least not confused with our sexuality as there is another thread in this forum about your sexuality

[Paikaar]

Well it's common sense that if someone's a Commander and they're around watching their men butt-rape people, then those men are doing it under his orders, and that he is probably doing it too. After all soldiers follow their leader.

As for this story; there's no credible independent report corroborating it. As for Massoud's story there's a High Ranking Russian General and a High Ranking CIA Officer. I think there's a bit more merit to my conclusions than yours.

But hey if you want to keep grasping for straws, and invent homoerotic fantasies about people on this forum, just to defend your precious Homosexual Rapist Massoud, that's your own business.

I am pretty sure and more than confident since you youself say that He hasn't done it but still insist and Swear on your pashtunwali that he is a homo., I am sure and confident as hell that you have been the Object.

[Paikaar]

Many people came, adapted Farsi and Persian culture and now became supposedly Tajiks. U didn't get the point that Iranians deny links with u Tajiks of Afghanistan except for maybe with Heratis. Even Tajikistanis 're confused about what relation they share with u and despite of ur proven Identity ur fellow Persians themselves call u either Persianized Mongols or Persianized Arabs, and u 'll be kidding if u say that's not Iranian views. And about Punjab, Punjab itself contains of Pashtuns, Persians, Arabs, Indians and many others who 've always ruled this region. And about Israel, I'm glad we 're important enough for people to waste their time on figuring out our ancestors while the facts remains none of them can prove Pashtun identity only consists of Jews, Indians, or any other nonsense. And u know it, I know it and many other know it where we know u from so yeh right about 'ving one account only. And since u 're still stuck to ones sexuality only it proves what u 're good enough for and what not 'cause just one of us can also be good enough for ur entire tribe if like u we had to deliver foul language, point out homosexuality amongst Persians, sex changes amongst Persians and what not. But I can do better than that.

Trust me I came to this forum by accident and I am no one that you think. If you are weak in argument against me you can't make it up by saying I am someone else. I am in Tajikam and everyone knows me who am i there