Afghan nationalism vs Pashtun nationalism

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Careful man!
To us Massoud holds more significance and importance than ahmad khan abali. Where did he order rape, torture? show me a single proof he sold an inch of Afghanistan?? while we all know who have been traditionally watanfroshs

I don't care what importance he has to you, he was a moralless and perverse man who was known to engage in sodomy with Russian soldiers his men captured as proven by his own Allies in the MI6 and CIA, not any different than Gulbuddin, unless you can prove that he was Saintly and didn't do any type of sin in his life, then he is open for criticism.

You don't have to hold Ahmad Shah Abdali in reverence, his ability to unite Muslims for a common cause is a merit in itself. It doesn't need approval. Evil degenerates like Massoud and Gulbuddin divided Muslims and fought for personal agendas.

as for your question of selling a single inch of Afghanistan; Salang Pass Treaty. The end.

[Paikaar]

I wonder what qualities he had which was lacking in Abdali? And now be very thoughtful of your replies because I have done hella loads of researchs on him and my own relatives have known Massoud personally, so I know very well what I am talking about.


Oh yeah, the 'tradition' becomes 'helplessness' when Northern Alliance does the same by selling the nation to over forty countries. It's only called Watanforoshi tradition when Pukhtoons do it to one or two countries, right?


Oh is it? I thought the Greeks brought it to you which remained very popular in North? And I also thought that Kandaharis had 'invaded' your North after 1920 when this tradition was in North since centuries? Nonetheless, prove this nonsense of yours with evidences and also prove how in Kandahar young boys are bought, dressed as girls, made dance in public, and afterwards raped by every single 'visitor'; Which is called Bachabazi?


ROFL! Regretting fighting Massoud!? Are you fudging kidding me!? The very same Massoud who was fed and bread by Punjabis in order to prevent Daud Khan from going on about Durrand Line!? Or the very same Massoud which escaped to mountains of Panjsher after Taliban's arrival!? Or the one who couldn't even handel one inch of Kabul? Hahahaha, what a joke! If he is dead indeed then I am sure his soul is the one regretting messing in first place!


Don't speak of history as Pakistan was created just over 60 years ago and we Pukhtoons have been there fore centuries, and not at all speak of power because your Massoud'ak came to so-called 'power' thanks to those very same Pakistanis, and the colonisation of over forty NATO nations is the reason for Fahim's power. Know your place, or I will remind you to mister big zero.


No, you just brought USA, UK, Holland, Germany, Belgium, France, Canada, Australia, Turkey, and God knows how many others to take back your lands from Taliban. And oh, be thankful to the Punjabis because it was them who opened the way for NATO in Afghanistan.


So basically what you claim is that Pukhtoons for centuries snatched your land 'secretly' but Tajiks never realized? Pukhtoons for decades were forcing their ideologies on you 'secretly' but Tajiks never realized? Pukhtoons for decades invaded your North and raped your women 'secretly' but Tajiks never realized? And it only took USA and their money to realize how many land you lost, how many lives you lost, and how many honors a.k.a. women you lost? Seriously kid, who do you think you are fooling?


LOL, me and hating on Tajiks? Hating my own grand-mothers? In this forum I am known as a 'Tajik-puppet' by some ignorants, simply because in the past quiet some lies have been flying around against Tajiks and I spoke up against them. Just like how right now you are spreading lies in favor of Tajiks, and against Pukhtoons and again I am doing what I would do otherwise; Speak up against it. Keep your generalisation and so-called 'knowledge' in your pocket, thanks.


First of all, don't give me Tajik/Persian websites as a proof and second, I never denied that injustice indeed has taken place against non-Pukhtoons. Though, what bothers me with creatures like yourself is lies and exaggerations. There is nothing wrong in blaming us for our faults because even I have done that in many other threads myself for which I got critisized very strongly, but by generalising us, insulting us, defending your own evil and being a completely idiot, expect at least as fiercy response back.

And one advice, give your next reply with huge amount of thoughts. Okay?

Thanks for confessing who were the historical rapists and looters
Habibullah Kalakani, when took over Kabul didn't look a single thing.
But Nader e Ghaddar rallied up eastern tribes like wild Jajji and Mangal to fight for him in return they were allowed to look Kabul, Shomali and the rest.
FYI, I am not even from North so your generalization of North won't effect me but I'll definitely stand up for them.

Bachabaazi is something disgraceful and sick which should be condemnted to greatest extent be it in north or south. Although, it was take to North from Kandar.
You want to know about Kandahar, well it is the Gay capital of Asia. Forget about bachaabaazi they are openly practising homosexuality and are proud of it. This sick and perverted anti-Islamic culture a spot of shame for our nation. It might not be known to you but to outter world and to rest of Afghanistan it is a known fact. Evey gay joke is about kandahar. While in other parts it might be the warlords and criminals molesting children here it is everybody's culture and and open business
Homosexual Practice Back in Kandahar
"Kandahar’s Pashtuns have started to become visible again with their "ashna""
" The Kandaharis, however, accept Pashtun relationships as part of their culture. Pashtun and their ashna "beloveds" have been part of everyday life for centuries."""
LoL.. Too much for you

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Now I am not a big fan of Fahim and company. But Massoud is different and I don't want this dirty platform to have His GRACEFUL name written in it He is too much for a country like AFG. By God if he was pashtun you people would have made him a messenger of god, tobah.
Today if the only thing this country is not infamous for in the outter world is Massoud, otherwise Heroine, chopping hands, terrorism, suicide bomb, pashtunwali etc... that are we are known far. Thats what makes someone feel ashamed of being Afghan coz being Afghan means being in the same ship with people like you. You know it deep in your heart, forget about pas history, that if it was not for Pakistan Taliban wouldn't even survive for A day. It was me who say scattered dead bodies of punjabis and captured Paki Army personnel and your own brother Talibans who lied in dead during the uprising of Shamali in 1996.
According to a strategic affairs analyst at Brookings Institution's Foreign Policy Studies Programme: " The intransigent Taliban attacked Herat early in the game, were beaten back and wanted Pakistan’s support to dislodge Ismail Khan. ::: > I remember that Paki jets flew from withing pakistan and bombed positions of government forces and Paki commandos were dropped behind front lines. otherwise we remember Taliban were driven from Dilaram all the way back to Greshk in Helmand just 120 KM from Kandahar. It was neary oblitrated before achieving Pakistan's goal. The people in Kabul burned down the paki embassy.

I stress again that Durranis are generally noble. Achikzai, Alokozay,and etc... are the real pashtuns BUT ghiljais specially ahmadzai, kharoti etc... are worse than wild animals and a shame for pashtuns The most rascist pashtuns are from ghiljais of eastern Afghanistan which may include you

Thats why Alokozay being the largest tribe in Kandahar and the most active during Jihad are being killed and are vulnerable in Kandahar. numerous of their leaders have been killed by ghiljai running dogs of Taliban.

United Front didn't being any foreign soldier, they did ask for air support. They had enough infantary to dilodge Taliban. It was again your pashtun puppet karzai who despite not winning a vote in Bonn conference was installed by British and Americans (remember an uzbek Dr. Sattar Seerat had won the majority of votes their). It was him signed strategic parnetships with 40 countries and bla bla bla
although, i believe it was UN sanctioned and UNSC approved mission. We are living in an International Community. Tell me which Tajik or northern alliance singed Gandumak treaty, Durand treaty, Panjdeh treaty and etc.. giving chunks of our land to british India??? Or which one brought the inhumane Soviet pigs or our arch enemy punjabis. Now don't act you are against Pakistan. Pak is your godfather and mentor and you are their strategic asset and providing them with strategic depth.

When Kunduz fell to NA thousands of pakis were airlifted in an operation called "Airlift of Evil" only coz Americans were there. So no pashtun/Taliban fairytale anymore. Without your godfather Pakistan you are = BIG ZERO!! LoL

Good night and sleep tight

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Bachabaazi was introduced in the north after the settlement of homosexuals from Kandahar!

2nd:
Here is your power and your source of pride (PATO) Punjab Atlantic Treaty Organization) lol
YouTube - Captured Pakistani Taliban & Army Personnel in Afghanistan 1997 regret fighting Ahmad Shah Massoud

lolol so much of pashtun power 1997

Never ever speak of power and yoru dominance again. Because without Pakistan and coloialism you are = BIG ZERO

Was it me to bring my arab lords to have massoud killed lol


Yes, I don't deny it. Massoud, though regretfully was/considered himslef awghan.. but he did become a shining star for us. He revitalised Tajik Nationalism. Although, he was National nationalist.

What I meant by youth awakening was that for decades they didn't care what pashtuns were secretly doing they just cared for their country, but now they DO know whats going on! and they are standing up for it.

I actually personally thank you and rest of pashtuns like you who by hating and trying to pashtunize us have give us logical reasons to rally our youth around an idea.

http://jawedan.org/index.php/%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%AE%DB%8C/%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%AA-%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%BA%D9%86.html

The document of snatching fertile lands in north (Qataghan) by mardome hokomat e Mashreqi and Junubbi in the time of amanullah khan.

No offense but it's disgraceful and pathetically dishonest of trying to claim that crimes/immoralities that exist in Tajik areas was caused by Kandaharis. It's also clearly false.

Most of the pedastry in places like Northern Afghanistan are proven in the poetry and songs of the local area which pre-existed Pashtuns migratios there; furthermore it's connected to Qataghani style dancing/music subculture, and we all know Kandaharis knew nothing of Qataghani dances.

Now to be fair, I'm not claiming that you're entirely wrong, I will agree that many unfair things were done to people of the North by Pashtoon rulers; and as a Pashtoon myself I find those things deplorable.

But your arguments are intellectually dishonest, posting a video of 12 Pakistani Nationalist is not a counter argument, because we all know Massoud had Russian soldiers amongst the Northern Alliance. Even during the 90's. But my goal here is not to mudsling. I respect and revere someone if they have good values no matter who they are or where they are from

I just don't see why you look up to a cretin like Massoud, there are many other Tajiks who are more worthy of respect than that rat. For example, Abdullah Ansari, Habibullah Kalakani, Nimatollah Shahrani.

Support people with credibility not any of these cheats and traitors, don't let your ethnic pride blind you.

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Thanks for confessing who were the historical rapists and looters
Habibullah Kalakani, when took over Kabul didn't look a single thing.
But Nader e Ghaddar rallied up eastern tribes like wild Jajji and Mangal to fight for him in return they were allowed to look Kabul, Shomali and the rest.
FYI, I am not even from North so your generalization of North won't effect me but I'll definitely stand up for them.

Bachabaazi is something disgraceful and sick which should be condemnted to greatest extent be it in north or south. Although, it was take to North from Kandar.
You want to know about Kandahar, well it is the Gay capital of Asia. Forget about bachaabaazi they are openly practising homosexuality and are proud of it. This sick and perverted anti-Islamic culture a spot of shame for our nation. It might not be known to you but to outter world and to rest of Afghanistan it is a known fact. Evey gay joke is about kandahar. While in other parts it might be the warlords and criminals molesting children here it is everybody's culture and and open business
Homosexual Practice Back in Kandahar
"Kandahar’s Pashtuns have started to become visible again with their "ashna""
" The Kandaharis, however, accept Pashtun relationships as part of their culture. Pashtun and their ashna "beloveds" have been part of everyday life for centuries."""
LoL.. Too much for you

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Now I am not a big fan of Fahim and company. But Massoud is different and I don't want this dirty platform to have His GRACEFUL name written in it He is too much for a country like AFG. By God if he was pashtun you people would have made him a messenger of god, tobah.
Today if the only thing this country is not infamous for in the outter world is Massoud, otherwise Heroine, chopping hands, terrorism, suicide bomb, pashtunwali etc... that are we are known far. Thats what makes someone feel ashamed of being Afghan coz being Afghan means being in the same ship with people like you. You know it deep in your heart, forget about pas history, that if it was not for Pakistan Taliban wouldn't even survive for A day. It was me who say scattered dead bodies of punjabis and captured Paki Army personnel and your own brother Talibans who lied in dead during the uprising of Shamali in 1996.
According to a strategic affairs analyst at Brookings Institution's Foreign Policy Studies Programme: " The intransigent Taliban attacked Herat early in the game, were beaten back and wanted Pakistan’s support to dislodge Ismail Khan. ::: > I remember that Paki jets flew from withing pakistan and bombed positions of government forces and Paki commandos were dropped behind front lines. otherwise we remember Taliban were driven from Dilaram all the way back to Greshk in Helmand just 120 KM from Kandahar. It was neary oblitrated before achieving Pakistan's goal. The people in Kabul burned down the paki embassy.

I stress again that Durranis are generally noble. Achikzai, Alokozay,and etc... are the real pashtuns BUT ghiljais specially ahmadzai, kharoti etc... are worse than wild animals and a shame for pashtuns The most rascist pashtuns are from ghiljais of eastern Afghanistan which may include you

Thats why Alokozay being the largest tribe in Kandahar and the most active during Jihad are being killed and are vulnerable in Kandahar. numerous of their leaders have been killed by ghiljai running dogs of Taliban.

United Front didn't being any foreign soldier, they did ask for air support. They had enough infantary to dilodge Taliban. It was again your pashtun puppet karzai who despite not winning a vote in Bonn conference was installed by British and Americans (remember an uzbek Dr. Sattar Seerat had won the majority of votes their). It was him signed strategic parnetships with 40 countries and bla bla bla
although, i believe it was UN sanctioned and UNSC approved mission. We are living in an International Community. Tell me which Tajik or northern alliance singed Gandumak treaty, Durand treaty, Panjdeh treaty and etc.. giving chunks of our land to british India??? Or which one brought the inhumane Soviet pigs or our arch enemy punjabis. Now don't act you are against Pakistan. Pak is your godfather and mentor and you are their strategic asset and providing them with strategic depth.

When Kunduz fell to NA thousands of pakis were airlifted in an operation called "Airlift of Evil" only coz Americans were there. So no pashtun/Taliban fairytale anymore. Without your godfather Pakistan you are = BIG ZERO!! LoL

Good night and sleep tight

I'm actually a Ghalji Pashtoon, from Hotak Tribe, I'm not racist and never have been. Your generalizations are disgusting and shows you're merely trying to divide people.

Please stop trying to invent all these false mythologies that Durranis are like this and Ghaljis are like that. There have been beautiful and honorable Ghaljis and beautiful and honorable Durranis, dishonorable Ghaljis and dishonorable Durranis. Honorable Tajiks, and Dishonorable Tajiks.

I will be the first to admit that Najib and Gulbuddin , both Ghalji, were evil men. I will similarly also admit that Habibullah Kalakani, a Tajik fought against the disgraceful Beghairat of Amanullah Khan.

I can also admit that Massoud was a Soviet stooge pretending to fight for Islam and tried to make allegiance with Najibullah and that Mir Wais Khan Hotak saved Tajiks and Pashtoons alike from Safawiyah corruption.

[Paikaar]

I don't care what importance he has to you, he was a moralless and perverse man who was known to engage in sodomy with Russian soldiers his men captured as proven by his own Allies in the MI6 and CIA, not any different than Gulbuddin, unless you can prove that he was Saintly and didn't do any type of sin in his life, then he is open for criticism.

You don't have to hold Ahmad Shah Abdali in reverence, his ability to unite Muslims for a common cause is a merit in itself. It doesn't need approval. Evil degenerates like Massoud and Gulbuddin divided Muslims and fought for personal agendas.

as for your question of selling a single inch of Afghanistan; Salang Pass Treaty. The end.

Hey you are accusing him of sodomy lolol that speaks enough for your logic. Your heat is just burning in jealousy. Everyone accepts that massoud was an Afghanistani nationalist, even the west agrees that he deserved help in fighting the russians not pashtuns coz he was independent.
You should prove your sodomy accusation otherwise your a brainless, uncultured, perverted wahabi **** who have no reason but to create fairytale lol BTW, are you a paki pashtun??
Pashtuns wanted to sabotage Afg's infrastructue by blowing up bridges, damns and etc.. (remember General Rahim wardak was injured while trying to blow up naghlo damn) but massoud and Tajik commanders wanted open combat with Russians. and in a daring raid on bagram airbase in 1982 his men overun soviet posts and killed tens of soviet soldiers and destroyed 17 of their jets this resulted in a massive soviet operation The 5th Panjsher offensive involving 15000(both communists and Russians) troops under the command of General Grigoryan with over 126 helicopters and airplanes only
lose 400 men and shamefully retreat.
This is recorded in history and a pitty little paki mouse like you cannot undermine massoud or his achievements.

Ahmad khan abdali was gay slave of the Persian Nader Afshar as if we don't know. Abdali the Multani was known by his mother not fahter just like western countries. Abdali united Muslims?? What a joke
When Sultan Tippo the Tiger of maysore asked for his help and to join him to get rid of the british in India he refused to fight his masters.
He only attack india when the grain and food ran out in kandahar so he would launch an attack and gather gold, silver and wheat and return back and appointing a hindu as a ruler. Next year same business. Nothing for Islam don't fool anyone.
It was only Sultand Mahmood Ghaznawi who took over India for propagating Islam and annexing it to his empire. But comparing that great Sultan to abdali is like comparing an air bus A 380 with your donkey cart.
Massoud on the other hand was born in Afghanistan, son of a respected Afghan police brigidear and commadner of Ghazni and Herat polic, Daggarwal Dost Mohamad Khan.

He never give salang to anyone, merely having a 6 month truce in Panjsher coz Pakis blocked all aid and gave it to gulbuddin doesn't mean anything.
Mr. Holy Muslim, our prophet signed treaties with Kuffar Remember Hudaibia treaty. It is what he achieved after that by expanding his operation outside tiny panjsher and how much damaged did he inflict on them afters.

[Paikaar]

I'm actually a Ghalji Pashtoon, from Hotak Tribe, I'm not racist and never have been. Your generalizations are disgusting and shows you're merely trying to divide people.

Please stop trying to invent all these false mythologies that Durranis are like this and Ghaljis are like that. There have been beautiful and honorable Ghaljis and beautiful and honorable Durranis, dishonorable Ghaljis and dishonorable Durranis. Honorable Tajiks, and Dishonorable Tajiks.

I will be the first to admit that Najib and Gulbuddin , both Ghalji, were evil men. I will similarly also admit that Habibullah Kalakani, a Tajik fought against the disgraceful Beghairat of Amanullah Khan.

I can also admit that Massoud was a Soviet stooge pretending to fight for Islam and tried to make allegiance with Najibullah and that Mir Wais Khan Hotak saved Tajiks and Pashtoons alike from Safawiyah corruption.

Don't generalise it as pashtuns.
Ghiljais have been criminals all along, Mola Omar, Gulbuddin, Haqqani, Kuchis, Taraki, Amin, Kamal, Najib gaw, tanai, golabzoe, watanjar etc.. all criminal animals.

Nadir Afshar beat the Saffavids with the help of Alokozays
A Mullah Dies, and War Comes Knocking

mirwais hotak was just on payroll of saffavids and when his paycheck was cut he revolted lol

Alokozay being a durrani are THE real pashtuns. Today they are anti-Taliban and involved in business and investemtn all over Afghanistan COMPLETELY different from ghaljai animals who blow up people!!
Alokozay has been left helpless as 10s of their tribal elders have been assasinated in the past few years.
Coz they are human they want to peacefully exist with other Afghanistanis unlike other animals.

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Hey you are accusing him of sodomy lolol that speaks enough for your logic. Your heat is just burning in jealousy. Everyone accepts that massoud was an Afghanistani nationalist, even the west agrees that he deserved help in fighting the russians not pashtuns coz he was independent.
You should prove your sodomy accusation otherwise your a brainless, uncultured, perverted wahabi **** who have no reason but to create fairytale lol BTW, are you a paki pashtun??
Pashtuns wanted to sabotage Afg's infrastructue by blowing up bridges, damns and etc.. (remember General Rahim wardak was injured while trying to blow up naghlo damn) but massoud and Tajik commanders wanted open combat with Russians. and in a daring raid on bagram airbase in 1982 his men overun soviet posts and killed tens of soviet soldiers and destroyed 17 of their jets this resulted in a massive soviet operation The 5th Panjsher offensive involving 15000(both communists and Russians) troops under the command of General Grigoryan with over 126 helicopters and airplanes only
lose 400 men and shamefully retreat.
This is recorded in history and a pitty little paki mouse like you cannot undermine massoud or his achievements.

Ahmad khan abdali was gay slave of the Persian Nader Afshar as if we don't know. Abdali the Multani was known by his mother not fahter just like western countries. Abdali united Muslims?? What a joke
When Sultan Tippo the Tiger of maysore asked for his help and to join him to get rid of the british in India he refused to fight his masters.
He only attack india when the grain and food ran out in kandahar so he would launch an attack and gather gold, silver and wheat and return back and appointing a hindu as a ruler. Next year same business. Nothing for Islam don't fool anyone.
It was only Sultand Mahmood Ghaznawi who took over India for propagating Islam and annexing it to his empire. But comparing that great Sultan to abdali is like comparing an air bus A 380 with your donkey cart.
Massoud on the other hand was born in Afghanistan, son of a respected Afghan police brigidear and commadner of Ghazni and Herat polic, Daggarwal Dost Mohamad Khan.

He never give salang to anyone, merely having a 6 month truce in Panjsher coz Pakis blocked all aid and gave it to gulbuddin doesn't mean anything.
Mr. Holy Muslim, our prophet signed treaties with Kuffar Remember Hudaibia treaty. It is what he achieved after that by expanding his operation outside tiny panjsher and how much damaged did he inflict on them afters.

I'm not accusing him of Sodomy it's documented in the book Charlie Wilson's War by Gust Avrakotos, one of Massoud's own connections in the CIA. Unlike you I don't just rely on rumors, folktales and manufactured smear campaigns to justify my points. So you can make silly stories up about Abdali and Nader Shah all you want, there's no historical documentation of it unlike Massoud.


Jumping around like a beheaded chicken, flailing your arms anytime a low life like Massoud gets called out for being a wretch by calling other people "Paki" won't change reality. Keep grasping.

When the Prophet (saw) signed treaties he wasn't doing it to the disadvantage of Muslims; and taking kick backs and money for it. And Yes this is historically documented. Don't dare compare Massoud's behavior to the Prophets because if we do a side by side analysis Massoud would be exposed. No way some boy loving sodomite such as Massoud is anywhere near or even like our beloved Nabi (saw). Sorry friend , time to put your ethnic pride in the garbage, start looking at Muslims as Muslims and not their ethnicity. I don't defend everyone just because their Pashtoon, you shouldn't defend someone just because they're Tajik.

[Paikaar]

I'm not accusing him of Sodomy it's documented in the book Charlie Wilson's War by Gust Avrakotos, one of Massoud's own connections in the CIA. Unlike you I don't just rely on rumors, folktales and manufactured smear campaigns to justify my points. So you can make silly stories up about Abdali and Nader Shah all you want, there's no historical documentation of it unlike Massoud.


Jumping around like a beheaded chicken, flailing your arms anytime a low life like Massoud gets called out for being a wretch by calling other people "Paki" won't change reality. Keep grasping.

When the Prophet (saw) signed treaties he wasn't doing it to the disadvantage of Muslims; and taking kick backs and money for it. And Yes this is historically documented. Don't dare compare Massoud's behavior to the Prophets because if we do a side by side analysis Massoud would be exposed. No way some boy loving sodomite such as Massoud is anywhere near or even like our beloved Nabi (saw). Sorry friend , time to put your ethnic pride in the garbage, start looking at Muslims as Muslims and not their ethnicity. I don't defend everyone just because their Pashtoon, you shouldn't defend someone just because they're Tajik.

You little Mouse in that Books he says I woke up to see Massoud's men corn holing a Russian captured soldier lol But all americans reject that and he never travelled to Panjsher It was a good point to sell a book.

Massoud was an Islamist. Massoud was a strategist and military genuis by signing a 6 month treaty it allowed him to think for other people outside panjsher for other MUSLIMS. to created based and fight in Andarab, Takhar, Kunduz and etc... from a panjsher commander he became the Shora e nezar commander. uniting commadners of all ethnicities (Tajik, Uzbek and pashtun) from North and north eastern AFG from Balkh to kunduz, badakhshan, takhar, panjsher, baghlan to Laghman and kunar. That was when the Russians accepted their mistake and launchded 4 more unsuccessful attempts at getting massoud but it was too late.

I am not making up tales about his heroics against Russians
"n one bold raid, mujahideen fighters loyal to Ahmad Shah Massoud fought their way onto Bagram Air Base, attacked Soviet barracks packed with sleeping" Book by William Strook named Afghanistan: The soviet union’s vietnam.

The first soviet multi divisional attack was on panjshir
Read the book: Afghanistan: a millitary history from Alexander the Great to war against Taliban
Afghanistan: a military history from ... - Google Books
For the first time Russians used the state of the art su 25 bomber and dropped spetsnaz commandos.

just accept it don't be jealous SON

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Don't generalise it as pashtuns.
Ghiljais have been criminals all along, Mola Omar, Gulbuddin, Haqqani, Kuchis, Taraki, Amin, Kamal, Najib gaw, tanai, golabzoe, watanjar etc.. all criminal animals.

Nadir Afshar beat the Saffavids with the help of Alokozays
A Mullah Dies, and War Comes Knocking

mirwais hotak was just on payroll of saffavids and when his paycheck was cut he revolted lol

Alokozay being a durrani are THE real pashtuns. Today they are anti-Taliban and involved in business and investemtn all over Afghanistan COMPLETELY different from ghaljai animals who blow up people!!
Alokozay has been left helpless as 10s of their tribal elders have been assasinated in the past few years.
Coz they are human they want to peacefully exist with other Afghanistanis unlike other animals.

I'm not generalizing a anyone; it's you who are generalizing people.

Just because you can mention some Ghilzais who did wrongs doesn't make Ghilizais in total wrong doers. That's like me mentioning, Anahita Ratebzad, Fahim, Burhanuddin Rabbani, Qanuni, Latif Pedram, Massoud prove that Tajiks are Anti Islam and immoral. I know that's not true because I have many beautiful Tajik family members. Many of my cousins have Tajik mothers, my aunts. Good people.

BTW Kamal, Tanai, Gulabzoy, Haqqani, are not Ghilzai

and you're wrong about tribal lineages; Alakozai are Panjpay, but not Durrani. the Panjpay are Alakozai, Ishaqzai, Noorzai, Achakzai and Popalzai; Sadozai comes from Popalzai and Durrani stems from there.

[Paikaar]

I'm not generalizing a anyone; it's you who are generalizing people.

Just because you can mention some Ghilzais who did wrongs doesn't make Ghilizais in total wrong doers. That's like me mentioning, Anahita Ratebzad, Fahim, Burhanuddin Rabbani, Qanuni, Latif Pedram, Massoud prove that Tajiks are Anti Islam and immoral. I know that's not true because I have many beautiful Tajik family members. Many of my cousins have Tajik mothers, my aunts. Good people.

BTW Kamal, Tanai, Gulabzoy, Haqqani, are not Ghilzai

and you're wrong about tribal lineages; Alakozai are Panjpay, but not Durrani. the Panjpay are Alakozai, Ishaqzai, Noorzai, Achakzai and Popalzai; Sadozai comes from Popalzai and Durrani stems from there.

You are wrong again. Durrani is the main tribe and alokozay and etc are the sub tribes. Panjpay's sub tribes are isaqzai, noorzai and ec.. but again panjpai is Durrani as well.

And all those are ghiljaiz, haqqani a zadran, gulbuddin kharoti , tannai and golabzoe as well u can't deny it!!

Ghilzais = 100% criminals
Tajiks = You accept that no everyone is bad so no comment from me

Anahita ratibzad was a despised bitch. I wonder how the Islamis like Rabbani be against Islam. I am not fan of these Mullahs and Muslim brotherhoods.
Yes, Massoud is someone i am proud of
Fahim is a donkey

[Admin Khan]

Ghilzais = 100% criminals

Are you really joking? Or is this some sort of a way to troll? Do you have any clue what the population of Ghilzai's is? Let's put it this way, not that it matters, but there are more Ghilzais than your entire ethnic group!, that is if you are truly a Tajik. And for the sake of Allah[If you believe in Him]refrain from Ghilzai this or Durrani that. We, as Pashtuns, don't care about Ghilzais, Durranis or Afridis! We are Pashtuns/Afghans and Pashtuns/Afghans only!

So before you pass on such silly comments, It would be advisable if you can ask someone to proof-read the nonsense you spew. If you are here to start a Pashtun vs Tajik rift, be assured that as mature posters, we don't blame Tajiks for every crime a few corrupted Tajiks have committed[unlike you]. As open-minded individuals, we don't put all our blame on Tajiks or Punjabis. We blame ourselves first.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You little Mouse in that Books he says I woke up to see Massoud's men corn holing a Russian captured soldier lol But all americans reject that and he never travelled to Panjsher It was a good point to sell a book.

Massoud was an Islamist. Massoud was a strategist and military genuis by signing a 6 month treaty it allowed him to think for other people outside panjsher for other MUSLIMS. to created based and fight in Andarab, Takhar, Kunduz and etc... from a panjsher commander he became the Shora e nezar commander. uniting commadners of all ethnicities (Tajik, Uzbek and pashtun) from North and north eastern AFG from Balkh to kunduz, badakhshan, takhar, panjsher, baghlan to Laghman and kunar. That was when the Russians accepted their mistake and launchded 4 more unsuccessful attempts at getting massoud but it was too late.

I am not making up tales about his heroics against Russians
"n one bold raid, mujahideen fighters loyal to Ahmad Shah Massoud fought their way onto Bagram Air Base, attacked Soviet barracks packed with sleeping" Book by William Strook named Afghanistan: The soviet union’s vietnam.

The first soviet multi divisional attack was on panjshir
Read the book: Afghanistan: a millitary history from Alexander the Great to war against Taliban
Afghanistan: a military history from ... - Google Books
For the first time Russians used the state of the art su 25 bomber and dropped spetsnaz commandos.

just accept it don't be jealous SON

You're just making up excuses to defend Massoud, there's no reference or evidence that he made it up to sell the book, especially since the book wasn't written by the guy it mentions. There's no reference which shows anyone else disagreed with the account.

We all know that if the Commander allows such things to happen it's because the commander is doing it themselves. So Massoud letting homosexual acts happen must mean he was into such things.

Massoud wasn't even Muslim, nevermind being an Islamist. He joined the Islamic agenda because he thought he could use it, just like Gulbuddin did.

The Great Gamble: The Soviet War in ... - Google Books


There's nothing to be jealous of; who can be jealous of fairy tales and lies?

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are wrong again. Durrani is the main tribe and alokozay and etc are the sub tribes. Panjpay's sub tribes are isaqzai, noorzai and ec.. but again panjpai is Durrani as well.

And all those are ghiljaiz, haqqani a zadran, gulbuddin kharoti , tannai and golabzoe as well u can't deny it!!

Ghilzais = 100% criminals
Tajiks = You accept that no everyone is bad so no comment from me

Anahita ratibzad was a despised bitch. I wonder how the Islamis like Rabbani be against Islam. I am not fan of these Mullahs and Muslim brotherhoods.
Yes, Massoud is someone i am proud of
Fahim is a donkey

Zadran isn't related to Ghilzai, Gulbuddin is Ghilzai, Tannai not Ghilzai and neither is Gulabzoi

You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tribal lineage. Please stop speaking from ignorance; being a loud mouth on the internet is not a make up for lack of knowledge.

and your equation is false. I'm Ghilzai I am 100% Sangeen

If you're proud of an immoral, sharabi, pederast; that only shows your love for the immoral, not that he was a good man.

[Paikaar]

Zadran isn't related to Ghilzai, Gulbuddin is Ghilzai, Tannai not Ghilzai and neither is Gulabzoi

You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tribal lineage. Please stop speaking from ignorance; being a loud mouth on the internet is not a make up for lack of knowledge.

and your equation is false. I'm Ghilzai I am 100% Sangeen

If you're proud of an immoral, sharabi, pederast; that only shows your love for the immoral, not that he was a good man.

MR Genius seems you don't even know what are your tribes

http://blogs.rnw.nl/vredeenveiligheid/?ibegin_share_action=get_content&id=2264

Check here for sub groups of your kind.

They are all ghiljais OK and alokozay is not panjpay but zirak and a sub tribe of durrani and you ghaljais can only dream to be durrani.

So neither chalie wilson wrote that book nor did he travel to panjsher lol then where did he get his ideas. His farthese poin of travel wass to the provinces of paktia. lol seems like you have no idea. what u r talking about

@admin Khan
for you it may not matter but for us it does just coz of one sub tribe we don't generalise entire pastuns.

[Paikaar]

Zadran isn't related to Ghilzai, Gulbuddin is Ghilzai, Tannai not Ghilzai and neither is Gulabzoi

You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tribal lineage. Please stop speaking from ignorance; being a loud mouth on the internet is not a make up for lack of knowledge.

and your equation is false. I'm Ghilzai I am 100% Sangeen

If you're proud of an immoral, sharabi, pederast; that only shows your love for the immoral, not that he was a good man.

Prove that he was sharrabi YOU MR. Muslim!
Prove that he was immoral YOU Mr. Muslim by your sharia methods
and wth is pederast
it is all paki created propaganda by your god father hamid gul the pathan lol