Afghan nationalism vs Pashtun nationalism

[ScimitarXEdge]

Al-Qaeda was a CIA trained/operated organization used to peddle extremism in the Middle East.

If you're discrediting RAWA and the Newspaper for quoting General Gromov; then it's even more peculiar you would cite Al-Qaeda.

One day you'll just have to face the facts, Massoud was evil, the fact that Al-Qaeda leaders praise him is only more proof of that.

good bye

[Paikaar]

COmmunism was merely another form of Imperialism by Europeans, so he was always an Imperialist Chakar.

Honestly You make a Good Mullah Nasruddin

[Paikaar]

Al-Qaeda was a CIA trained/operated organization used to peddle extremism in the Middle East.

If you're discrediting RAWA and the Newspaper for quoting General Gromov; then it's even more peculiar you would cite Al-Qaeda.

One day you'll just have to face the facts, Massoud was evil, the fact that Al-Qaeda leaders praise him is only more proof of that.

good bye

You incompetent moron. The guy is not Al-Qaeda if you only read what it says there. The title is not of the actualy article it was the title i gave to it on fb.

Al-Qaeda (zawaheri+osama) killed both Abdullah Azzam and Massoud

You are a BIG paki pathan foool. Waste of time talking to you.
Massoud shall for ever remaining a shining star for millions of us in Afghanistan and you can just eat your heart out coz he killed paki invaders

I am out of this forum. Enough time wasting with monkeys like you

[ScimitarXEdge]

You make a good Joseph Gobbels.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You incompetent moron. The guy is not Al-Qaeda if you only read what it says there. The title is not of the actualy article it was the title i gave to it on fb.

Al-Qaeda (zawaheri+osama) killed both Abdullah Azzam and Massoud

You are a BIG paki pathan foool. Waste of time talking to you.
Massoud shall for ever remaining a shining star for millions of us in Afghanistan and you can just eat your heart out coz he killed paki invaders

I am out of this forum. Enough time wasting with monkeys like you

YOU JUST SAID IT WAS AL-QAEDA and the Article says it was a former Al-Qaeda member.

Make UP YOUR MIND lol.

Massoud was just a walking talk urinal, nothing shining about that. He didn't kill Pakistanis, not that murdering people should be something to be proud of. he used to sit with them at banquet tables like the one below.

He was only upset that Hekmatyar got a bigger paycheck from the ISI than he did so he had a grudge. Nothing more.

[Mina]

I am not saying who he was but the looting which wild jaji and mangal did not only to tajiks but to pashtuns aswell
Thats what shows your are ignorant and Stupid. Taliban were created in 1993 by the reproductive organs of Nasseerullah Babar, Benazir with British Ideas and Saudi Money. In 1994 they took control of Kandahar, you moron. in 1996 its Kabul they took
No more comments on Massoud.
He was indepedent and fought for his country thats why pakistan hated him
Thanks for putting all of them in the same basket lol
not a tiny fraction of the world know the individuals you name today. TODAY matters. at least half of the world know and dmire massoud Please watch my video of your captured blood brother Talibans LoL
YouTube - C. Mil Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud Captured Pakistani Taliban & Army Personnel in Afghanistan 1997
You don't even have the gut to cross into kabul without Paki support.
You ignorant there is difference between shamali and shamal. shamali means from kotal e khair khana to Salang. When Tailban and Pakistanis took over they killed hundreds and toched and burnt orchards and houses THATS when uprising happened driving Taliban from the gates of Panjsher all the way back to 20km from Kabul. Shamali didn't pay any price after this coz. Charikar and Bagram and the somali plains remained with NA until the fall of Taliban. Even in there those pakis who were killed during battle were killed otherwise prisoners were treated as prisoners whether they were ghiljais or pakistanis. You didn't know this Ooops!! You are stuck with fairytales you are told
Yes it was Mazar where General malik and hazara massacred taliban and taliban in return massacred hazara civillians.
It is a widely known fact. The video of captured Paki Taliban proves it and since here are some others:
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In 2008, more details emerged in Descent into Chaos by Ahmed Rashed:

One senior (U.S.) intelligence analyst told me, "The request was made by Musharraf to Bush, but Cheney took charge—a token of who was handling Musharraf at the time. The approval was not shared with anyone at State, including Colin Powell, until well after the event. Musharraf said Pakistan needed to save its dignity and its valued people. Two planes were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights. They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan's northern areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the IMU and al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes. What was sold as a minor extraction turned into a major air bridge. The frustrated U.S. SOF who watched it from the surrounding high ground dubbed it "Operation Evil Airlift." Another senior U.S. diplomat told me afterward, "Musharraf fooled us because after we gave approval, the ISI may have run a much bigger operation and got out more people. We just don't know. At the time nobody wanted to hurt Musharraf, and his prestige with the army was at stake. The real question is why Musharraf did not get his men out before. Clearly the ISI was running its own war against the Americans and did not want to leave Afghanistan until the last moment."
Please accept this the entire Afghanistan and most of the pashtuns know this. Don't be blinded by your ethnicity and your paki favoritism! Withoutpakistan Taliban= BIG ZERO

I guess it was Karzai who delivered the decree and he was proudly telling the stories of him contacting massouod to fight the Taliban lol
You incompetent moron there is a great difference between a temporary cease fire and watan froshi and khaak froshi like the ones in Durand and Ganduak treaties
I love it when you say massoudak this shows your are just burning lol
They were running dogs of Pakistan and pakistan wanted a backyard for their war against India. and how would they singn durand a regime not recognized by anyone apart Pakistan and Saudi LOL that is laughable.

I 've never seen so much frustration, idiocy, rubbish and immature reply in one so far on PF. I very dearly request u to take a look at ur sources urself first and mind ur language 'cause even u could get sworn at to make a point. Aga mard asti marda ware discussion ko, chatiyat har kas medana.

[Paikaar]

YOU JUST SAID IT WAS AL-QAEDA and the Article says it was a former Al-Qaeda member.

Make UP YOUR MIND lol.

Massoud was just a walking talk urinal, nothing shining about that. He didn't kill Pakistanis, not that murdering people should be something to be proud of. he used to sit with them at banquet tables like the one below.

He was only upset that Hekmatyar got a bigger paycheck from the ISI than he did so he had a grudge. Nothing more.

You are somehow big fan of RAWA even taking pictures from there lol

This picture is from 1993 in Chahar asiab when this araba nd ijjaz ul haq came to gulbuddin's headquarters and invited massoud to have a peace talk and meditiate between them. ( massoud did also believe in your so called MUSLIM brotherhood so accepted the mediation of these people) Massoud travelled to Charasiab, the HQ of gubuddin and accepted the truce. after the maghrib jamah was finished and massoud dorve back to kabul rockets had already landed before him, gulbuddin breaking the truce.
Don't fool anyone!!

Abddullah Azzam was not AL-Qaeda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was against Global Jihad and he praised massoud.
Same propaganda your are firing was in peshawar bak in the days, just if u read the interview. Exact same words calling massoud: immoral, infidel, western, and bla bla bla
Just coz everything was in the hands of gulbuddin, sayyaf and khalis and nobody could reach massoud.

HAVE A BIT OF SHAME you Monafeq! you are not even a proper Muslim just using islam for your benefits. He did kill pakis (of course not civilians or PoW) but shamali was scattered
YouTube - 02.06 Tajik Persian Warriors Liberation Attack On Pashtun Terrorist Taliban In Kapisa Province 2000

[ScimitarXEdge]

I never said Abdullah Azzam was Al-Qaeda; you said these reports were from Al-Qaeda members those were YOUR WORDS, now you're trying to change things when you discovered I view Al-Qaeda with contempt.

You got exposed and in turn you exposed Massoud.

It doesn't matter if it was 1993 or 1893; Massoud was not entirely hostile to Islamabad, he was just mad that his criminal rival Hekmatyar got more money from the ISI.

Just because some Al-Qaeda extremists say he wasn't immoral, doesn't mean that he wasn't. Gromov actually SAW him drink. and Gust Avrakotos saw him and his men raping Soviet POWs.

These men were there when it happened. That's a bit more credible.

Now stop desperately scrambling for facebook postings which can't be found and just face reality. It's not propaganda it's in numerous Sources.

[graveyardofempires]

masood is the biggest loser in the history.
he didnt just do a ceasfire with russians and gave them safe passage he also had the french controling him.
this kgb agent is the worst type of animal you would ever come across.
he was to busy trying to pose front of the camera and talkign bull****,thats all he did.
and also is guilty of creating morons such as khidr and paikaar who are trying to jump off the cliff.

[ScimitarXEdge]

He didnt just give safe passage to Russians, he attacked other Mujahideen groups in the process.

[Shayesta]

I am not saying who he was but the looting which wild jaji and mangal did not only to tajiks but to pashtuns aswell

To the same extend that joker could have gone as well if his 'legacy' had lasted for at least a year. For the blind ones, search up about his execution.

The Taliban were created in 1993 by the reproductive organs of Nasseerullah Babar, Benazir with British Ideas and Saudi Money.

Don't insult the very same sperms Massoud was made of, will ya?

In 1994 they took control of Kandahar, you moron. in 1996 its Kabul they took

Hm, lemme see what the sources say and where it mentions when they took over which area:

Before the Taliban took over in 1994, Pashtuns could be seen everywhere with their young boys on whom they showered expensive gifts.

So mister moron, none else shares your stupidness so no use of spreading it either. And the joke in name of a writer doesn't even know that Taliban by far hasn't lost it's influence in Kandahar.

He was indepedent and fought for his country thats why pakistan hated him

I thought you didn't want more comments on him? And yeah he was so independent that when Pakistan threw him out of their lap, he and his men hated Pakistan a million times more than the other way round. Choq choq choq, what a independence!

Thanks for putting all of them in the same basket.

A league your imaginary-Khorasanis ain't gonna reach in a million years. No wonder, each of them ran away like a chicken and died like a dog.

not a tiny fraction of the world know the individuals you name today. TODAY matters. at least half of the world know and admire massoud

Really? I remember this 'Parsistani' trying to give lectures about Massoud in Holland and till the end none knew who he was, LOL. Forget about Holland, even Pakistanis have to think a million times to try and memorize who the dude actually was, and that also despite of being their creators! Ya'Allah. Admire my foot. Only place in the world 'admiring' him are French and as a Massoud'ak supporter you should know what relationship he shared with them, right? No wonder it were the French only to bring in their minds to actually nominating him for 'Noble Peace Award'; The league of Gandhi and Bacha Khan.

Please watch my video of your captured blood brother Talibans

Why is the reporter's question edited? And why don't they mention which areas they came from and where they are caught? Lemme guess, a Panjsheri decided to use a edited video with unknown location and tag it as 'Panjsher where Panjsheris caught Pakistanis'? Mate, who are you kidding?

You don't even have the gut to cross into kabul without Paki support.

Last time I was in Kabul, one of typical Massoud'ak supporters tried to be tough on me by trying to make me speak in Dar, instead my reply made him forget even speak himself. And they are supposed to be the 'Sher of Afghanistan'.

You ignorant there is difference between shamali and shamal.

No way, really!? My cousin's wife is from Shamali so I do know the difference, koor-magz.

When Tailban and Pakistanis took over they killed hundreds and toched and burnt orchards and houses THATS when uprising happened driving Taliban

Any proof? Oh, and I am talking about proves; Not edited videos or personal blogs. Thanks.

Shamali didn't pay any price after this coz. Charikar and Bagram and the somali plains remained with NA until the fall of Taliban.

N.A. was absolutely nothing during the Taliban, just nothing. And Taliban hasn't officially fallen yet by the way, the fear (for you) should be fall of your N.A. after NATO's departure; Like they always have.

You didn't know this Ooops!! You are stuck with fairytales you are told

That's because you haven't got any proof for Taliban era in Shamali back then. Oops, you are stuck in your lies you tell yourself!

It is a widely known fact. The video of captured Paki Taliban proves it and since here are some others

Now where does it say government officials were bombed? And if I am reading it correctly, those claims of bombings where made N.A. members while there were doubts regarding the issue by others, right? There we go.

Please accept this the entire Afghanistan and most of the pashtuns know this. Don't be blinded by your ethnicity and your paki favoritism! Withoutpakistan Taliban= BIG ZERO

Please accept this because entire Afghanistan and most fanatics like yourself know this, don't be blinded by ethnicy and your lies' favoritism! Without the British Kalakani would be zero, without Pakistan Massoud'ak would be zero, and without NATO Fahim'ak is zero.

I guess it was Karzai who delivered the decree and he was proudly telling the stories of him contacting massouod to fight the Taliban

LOL, that dude is as much of a big joke as your kaj-cheshm Abdullah who for power can tell any lie. I guess he forgot whose side he was on in first place, nonetheless I can say that at least he wasn't, and nor is, a murderer and/or a rapist.

You incompetent moron there is a great difference between a temporary cease fire and watan froshi and khaak froshi like the ones in Durand and Ganduak treaties

You physically (and naturally) incompetent creature, there is no difference in obeying the masters, and obeying the masters. Once the masters asked for lands to be sold, and it was done. Now they asked it to be rented for, which is being done.

I love it when you say massoudak this shows your are just burning

I rather burn to death then burn regarding a murderer, traitor and every-man's-puppet. A fly would burn me instead, since he at least got the capacity to fly.

They were running dogs of Pakistan and pakistan wanted a backyard for their war against India.

Amongst 'the race of dogs' were Mujahideen as well as compared to whom Taliban seemed angels. Why wasn't their 'war against India' taken under thoughts back then, ha? Because Tajiks were equally involved back then?

and how would they singn durand a regime not recognized by anyone apart Pakistan and Saudi

A Besewaad indeed. Even if the regime was recognized by Taliban themselves only, nonetheless they would have been rulers of Afghanistan and thus had full rights on whatever agreements they would sign, or what they wouldn't and it would have been called 'legitimate'.

I hope you don't get offended Massoud is listed way above Mohamad Ali Jinnah your godfather

Oh of course not! Why should I feel offended regarding a personal blog and that also by a CNN (the joke amongst news-channels) writer?

During the fighting I met Massoud at his headquarters north of Kabul and was struck by his intense integrity, charisma and disarming humor.

My relatives who worked with him are already trying fooling me with such sweet talks regarding him. But call me 'disrespectful' towards them when I bombard them with questions regarding Massoud'ak.

[Paikaar]

To the same extend that joker could have gone as well if his 'legacy' had lasted for at least a year. For the blind ones, search up about his execution.


Don't insult the very same sperms Massoud was made of, will ya?


Hm, lemme see what the sources say and where it mentions when they took over which area:


So mister moron, none else shares your stupidness so no use of spreading it either. And the joke in name of a writer doesn't even know that Taliban by far hasn't lost it's influence in Kandahar.


I thought you didn't want more comments on him? And yeah he was so independent that when Pakistan threw him out of their lap, he and his men hated Pakistan a million times more than the other way round. Choq choq choq, what a independence!


A league your imaginary-Khorasanis ain't gonna reach in a million years. No wonder, each of them ran away like a chicken and died like a dog.


Really? I remember this 'Parsistani' trying to give lectures about Massoud in Holland and till the end none knew who he was, LOL. Forget about Holland, even Pakistanis have to think a million times to try and memorize who the dude actually was, and that also despite of being their creators! Ya'Allah. Admire my foot. Only place in the world 'admiring' him are French and as a Massoud'ak supporter you should know what relationship he shared with them, right? No wonder it were the French only to bring in their minds to actually nominating him for 'Noble Peace Award'; The league of Gandhi and Bacha Khan.


Why is the reporter's question edited? And why don't they mention which areas they came from and where they are caught? Lemme guess, a Panjsheri decided to use a edited video with unknown location and tag it as 'Panjsher where Panjsheris caught Pakistanis'? Mate, who are you kidding?


Last time I was in Kabul, one of typical Massoud'ak supporters tried to be tough on me by trying to make me speak in Dar, instead my reply made him forget even speak himself. And they are supposed to be the 'Sher of Afghanistan'.


No way, really!? My cousin's wife is from Shamali so I do know the difference, koor-magz.


Any proof? Oh, and I am talking about proves; Not edited videos or personal blogs. Thanks.


N.A. was absolutely nothing during the Taliban, just nothing. And Taliban hasn't officially fallen yet by the way, the fear (for you) should be fall of your N.A. after NATO's departure; Like they always have.


That's because you haven't got any proof for Taliban era in Shamali back then. Oops, you are stuck in your lies you tell yourself!


Now where does it say government officials were bombed? And if I am reading it correctly, those claims of bombings where made N.A. members while there were doubts regarding the issue by others, right? There we go.


Please accept this because entire Afghanistan and most fanatics like yourself know this, don't be blinded by ethnicy and your lies' favoritism! Without the British Kalakani would be zero, without Pakistan Massoud'ak would be zero, and without NATO Fahim'ak is zero.


LOL, that dude is as much of a big joke as your kaj-cheshm Abdullah who for power can tell any lie. I guess he forgot whose side he was on in first place, nonetheless I can say that at least he wasn't, and nor is, a murderer and/or a rapist.


You physically (and naturally) incompetent creature, there is no difference in obeying the masters, and obeying the masters. Once the masters asked for lands to be sold, and it was done. Now they asked it to be rented for, which is being done.


I rather burn to death then burn regarding a murderer, traitor and every-man's-puppet. A fly would burn me instead, since he at least got the capacity to fly.


Amongst 'the race of dogs' were Mujahideen as well as compared to whom Taliban seemed angels. Why wasn't their 'war against India' taken under thoughts back then, ha? Because Tajiks were equally involved back then?


A Besewaad indeed. Even if the regime was recognized by Taliban themselves only, nonetheless they would have been rulers of Afghanistan and thus had full rights on whatever agreements they would sign, or what they wouldn't and it would have been called 'legitimate'.


Oh of course not! Why should I feel offended regarding a personal blog and that also by a CNN (the joke amongst news-channels) writer?


My relatives who worked with him are already trying fooling me with such sweet talks regarding him. But call me 'disrespectful' towards them when I bombard them with questions regarding Massoud'ak.

Which part of that video is editeD? Thos pakis intoduce themselves and say it has been 8 months are prisoners in panjsher. Unlike General Dostum who sent all prisoners direct to Hell massoud kept them like PoWs.
Please I am not parsistani! And i Don't know who he is nick also called me by this nick but I am not . beleive me. You can call me whatever u want to disregard my powerful words

Time magazine is indeed not credible for you, your credible source is News International and Potta Khazana

Taliban/Pakistanis did really burn down Shamali and if i give u another video link u would say it is edited. It is a widely known fact and a fool pretending it didn't happen won't make any difference. Please pay a visit to those people and ask them yourself

What you say about Massoud and Tajiks echoes what Musharaf says about massoud and Tajiks and DEFENDING Pashtuns lol
YouTube - Jawedan.com | Massoud Vs Parvez Musharaf

Very soon I'll upload unseen and rare footages to youtube. I promise you. Just once I get some time

[ScimitarXEdge]

You are absolutely be Aqel and Jahel?
Which part of that video is editeD? Thos pakis intoduce themselves and say it has been 8 months are prisoners in panjsher. Unlike General Dostum who sent all prisoners direct to Hell massoud kept them like PoWs.
Please I am not parsistani! And i Don't know who he is your brother nick also called me by this nick but I am not . beleive me. You can call me whatever u want to disregard my powerful words

Time magazine is indeed not credible for you, your credible source is News International and Potta Khazana

Are you really a fool or pretending to be one? Taliban/Pakistanis did really burn down Shamali and if i give u another video link u would say it is edited. It is a widely known fact and a fool pretending it didn't happen won't make any difference. Please pay a visit to those people and ask them yourself


What you say about Massoud and Tajiks echoes what your sugar daddy and godfather Musharaf says about massoud and Tajiks and DEFENDING Pashtuns lol
YouTube - Jawedan.com | Massoud Vs Parvez Musharaf


Very soon I'll upload unseen and rare footages to youtube. I promise you. Just once I get some time

watching the video all it seems that Musharraf is saying Pashtuns support the Taliban because the government is full of Panjshiris.

How do you get defending Pashtuns out of that?

[randolph85]

so massoud fought pakis with russian and indian money....how brave.

[ScimitarXEdge]

well didn't you know Massoud is free of sin, when he drinks vodka; it's no longer vodka but Schweppes Gingerale , which is halal, when he cornholes Russian POWs, they magically turn into brand new brides. And when he takes money, kick backs from other nations who are using Afghanistan for geopolitical schemes, that's ok because it's not Pakistan, even though he did that too for a certain time, but was ok then because when Pakistan gave money to Massoud, they were just giving Massoud what was rightfully his anyways.