Afghan nationalism vs Pashtun nationalism

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MR Genius seems you don't even know what are your tribes

http://blogs.rnw.nl/vredeenveiligheid/?ibegin_share_action=get_content&id=2264

Check here for sub groups of your kind.

They are all ghiljais OK and alokozay is not panjpay but zirak and a sub tribe of durrani and you ghaljais can only dream to be durrani.

So neither chalie wilson wrote that book nor did he travel to panjsher lol then where did he get his ideas. His farthese poin of travel wass to the provinces of paktia. lol seems like you have no idea. what u r talking about

@admin Khan
for you it may not matter but for us it does just coz of one sub tribe we don't generalise entire pastuns.

My knowledge of Afghan Tribes is derived from Afghan sources

not "produced by the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF)" as your link indicates. Outsiders always get the tribal thing wrong. And all you're doing is blindly parroting their error.

I don't care to be Durrani or anything else, I just want to be what God made me; the idea of "wanting to be something" other than what God made them is the psychology of inferiority complex driven people; such as Massoud supporters.

You rely on fallacy to justify bogus arguments, you perceive the world by such bogus mechanisms. It's just how you operate.

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Prove that he was sharrabi YOU MR. Muslim!
Prove that he was immoral YOU Mr. Muslim by your sharia methods
and wth is pederast
it is all paki created propaganda by your god father hamid gul the pathan lol

Ex-Soviet commander unveil Masoud's secret pact

It's easy to claim something is Paki created propaganda; but Russians who used to meet Massoud were not Pakis. You can't use this as a scapegoat one day you'll have to admit. Massoud was an immoral person.

[graveyardofempires]

My Arab friend first you should learn the meaning of fascism by pondering over your own thinking/desire for a universal Arab/Muslim state (Islamo-facscism). Lewanay Zalmay just desires a state where Pashtun identity and culture get consolidated in a pluralistic and democratic environment without getting spelled over its geo-political boundaries into the culturo-political space of other people just like the Arab fascism did some dozen centuries back.

LOL at islamo fascism
you just disrespected the very own pashtuns you act so eagerly to defend.

[Shayesta]

Thanks for confessing who were the historical rapists and looters

Thanks for showing you are stuck in your own lies.

Habibullah Kalakani, when took over Kabul didn't look a single thing.

Kalakani? You mean the dude who didn't even last for a year because he made a mess in Kabul and got resisted in North as he was too desperate to bring Amanullah Khan down which went against himself and finally got executed? That, Kalakani?

But Nader e Ghaddar rallied up eastern tribes like wild Jajji and Mangal to fight for him in return they were allowed to look Kabul, Shomali and the rest.

If you had a little bit of sense, you would have found out what made it come this far.

I am not even from North so your generalization of North won't effect me but I'll definitely stand up for them.

Nor am I a Kandahari but every single biased word against them does effect me.

Although, it was take to North from Kandar.

Again you got no proof so keep fooling yourself with lies.

You want to know about Kandahar, well it is the Gay capital of Asia.

You wanna know what's know as Bachabazi-capital in the world? Well, it is Balkh.

Forget about bachaabaazi they are openly practising homosexuality and are proud of it.

Forget about homosexuality and look how openly this man talks about Bachabazi and is proud of it:

It might not be known to you but to outter world and to rest of Afghanistan it is a known fact.

And even bigger fact known by the entire world is this (do read the description):

Evey gay joke is about kandahar.

Every Bachabaz joke is about Shamal.

While in other parts it might be the warlords and criminals molesting children here it is everybody's culture and and open business

I guess Mazar is full of warlords and criminals where it's more than just open bussines. It's in fact more popular than the rising prostitution in Mazar.

Too much for you

If the writer at least knew that Taliban were in charge since 1996 (not 1994), then I wouldn't have to tell you that even opening your mouth is too much for yourself. Try harder next time.

Now I am not a big fan of Fahim and company.

And it's Fahim and Co which made Massoud big in Kabul and whose men made a big joke out of Kabul. He is your own type, why the dislike?

But Massoud is different and I don't want this dirty platform to have His GRACEFUL name written in it

Your entrance already made a start on battle of the dirt, his dirt-full character doesn't matter more than his forename he nicked from Baba's name.

He is too much for a country like AFG.

He was. It must have been a tough job showing his butt to those who created him when his benefit was lost: Pakistan.

By God if he was pashtun you people would have made him a messenger of god, tobah.

Same would you have done if either one of Abdali, Abdur Rahman, Amanullah, Sardar Daud, Zahir Shah, Najibullah or the Taliban were of Tajik descent.

Today if the only thing this country is not infamous for in the outter world is Massoud,

More than half of the world doesn't even know him. Nonetheless you can explain what the likes of Baba, Amanullah and Zahir Shah were infamous for 'in this world'?

otherwise Heroine, chopping hands, terrorism, suicide bomb, pashtunwali that are we are known far.

You forgot Shamalwali. Oops, I mean Bachabazi; The Afghan identity of the decade.

Thats what makes someone feel ashamed of being Afghan coz being Afghan means being in the same ship with people like you.

Even if you change to Khorasan today you will remain the same dirt containing rape of boys dressed as girls.

You know it deep in your heart, forget about pas history, that if it was not for Pakistan Taliban wouldn't even survive for A day.

You also know deep down your heart (forget history) that if it isn't for your 'forty friends', you wouldn't even survive for a second. And yet, despite of millions of support and awe technology as compared to Taliban, you are losing out to them. Again.

It was me who say scattered dead bodies of punjabis and captured Paki Army personnel and your own brother Talibans who lied in dead during the uprising of Shamali in 1996.

And Shamali paid a heavy price for it afterwards, remember?

I remember that Paki jets flew from withing pakistan and bombed positions of government forces and Paki commandos were dropped behind front lines.

Lemme guess, no proof?

The most rascist pashtuns are from ghiljais of eastern Afghanistan which may include you

A racist will search for racism in everyone, nothing new here.

It was again your pashtun puppet karzai who despite not winning a vote in Bonn conference was installed by British and Americans.

The same Americans who installed Dostum, Khalili, Fahim and his men who declared Massoud'ak as 'Qahram'e Muli'? Oops, I mean Milli?

Tell me which Tajik or northern alliance singed Gandumak treaty, Durand treaty, Panjdeh treaty and giving chunks of our land to british India???

Salang Treaty indeed, and search up about deals between Massoud'ak and Pakistan/Russia. You will be surprised. And do more research on Durrand Line and find out who were spying for the British which made us lose such a huge land. And also bother to find out reasons of Panjdeh Treaty. And N.A. surely isn't selling Afghanistan to NATO, it's only renting it out.

Or which one brought the inhumane Soviet pigs or our arch enemy punjabis.

Inhuman Soviet pigs won over as many non-Pukhtoons as communists, as Pukhtoons and our arch enemies were the one giving birth to Massoud'ak, remember?

Now don't act you are against Pakistan.

Nor should you be against them since they gave refuge to as many Tajiks as Pukhtoons. It's one thing to be against a government, and another to be against an entire nation.

Pak is your godfather and mentor and you are their strategic asset and providing them with strategic depth.

If that was the case then Taliban would have fulfilled their dream by signing the Durrand Line 'closure' while your N.A. heroes can sell your every inch to their illegimate forty NATO fathers.

When Kunduz fell to NA thousands of pakis were airlifted in an operation called "Airlift of Evil" only coz Americans were there.

Proof?

So no pashtun/Taliban fairytale anymore. Without your godfather Pakistan you are = BIG ZERO!!

So no Khorasani fairytale any more, without N.A.'s illegimate fathers you wouldn't even reach zero.

Good night and sleep tight

Make sure you don't sleep but instead spend the night thinking of more bull crap. Tah tah.

[Paikaar]

Kalakani? You mean the dude who didn't even last for a year because he made a mess in Kabul and got resisted in North as he was too desperate to bring Amanullah Khan down which went against himself and finally got executed? That, Kalakani?

I am not saying who he was but the looting which wild jaji and mangal did not only to tajiks but to pashtuns aswell

If the writer at least knew that Taliban were in charge since 1996 (not 1994), then I wouldn't have to tell you that even opening your mouth is too much for yourself. Try harder next time.

Taliban were created in 1993 by the reproductive organs of Nasseerullah Babar, Benazir with British Ideas and Saudi Money. In 1994 they took control of Kandahar, you moron. in 1996 its Kabul they took

And it's Fahim and Co which made Massoud big in Kabul and whose men made a big joke out of Kabul. He is your own type, why the dislike?

No more comments on Massoud.

He was. It must have been a tough job showing his butt to those who created him when his benefit was lost: Pakistan.

He was indepedent and fought for his country thats why pakistan hated him

Same would you have done if either one of Abdali, Abdur Rahman, Amanullah, Sardar Daud, Zahir Shah, Najibullah or the Taliban were of Tajik descent.

Thanks for putting all of them in the same basket lol

More than half of the world doesn't even know him. Nonetheless you can explain what the likes of Baba, Amanullah and Zahir Shah were infamous for 'in this world'?

not a tiny fraction of the world know the individuals you name today. TODAY matters. at least half of the world know and dmire massoud

You also know deep down your heart (forget history) that if it isn't for your 'forty friends', you wouldn't even survive for a second. And yet, despite of millions of support and awe technology as compared to Taliban, you are losing out to them. Again.

Please watch my video of your captured blood brother Talibans LoL
YouTube - C. Mil Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud Captured Pakistani Taliban & Army Personnel in Afghanistan 1997
You don't even have the gut to cross into kabul without Paki support.

And Shamali paid a heavy price for it afterwards, remember?

You ignorant there is difference between shamali and shamal. shamali means from kotal e khair khana to Salang. When Tailban and Pakistanis took over they killed hundreds and toched and burnt orchards and houses THATS when uprising happened driving Taliban from the gates of Panjsher all the way back to 20km from Kabul. Shamali didn't pay any price after this coz. Charikar and Bagram and the somali plains remained with NA until the fall of Taliban. Even in there those pakis who were killed during battle were killed otherwise prisoners were treated as prisoners whether they were ghiljais or pakistanis. You didn't know this Ooops!! You are stuck with fairytales you are told
Yes it was Mazar where General malik and hazara massacred taliban and taliban in return massacred hazara civillians.

Lemme guess, no proof?

It is a widely known fact. The video of captured Paki Taliban proves it and since here are some others:
The

In 2008, more details emerged in Descent into Chaos by Ahmed Rashed:

One senior (U.S.) intelligence analyst told me, "The request was made by Musharraf to Bush, but Cheney took charge—a token of who was handling Musharraf at the time. The approval was not shared with anyone at State, including Colin Powell, until well after the event. Musharraf said Pakistan needed to save its dignity and its valued people. Two planes were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights. They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan's northern areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the IMU and al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes. What was sold as a minor extraction turned into a major air bridge. The frustrated U.S. SOF who watched it from the surrounding high ground dubbed it "Operation Evil Airlift." Another senior U.S. diplomat told me afterward, "Musharraf fooled us because after we gave approval, the ISI may have run a much bigger operation and got out more people. We just don't know. At the time nobody wanted to hurt Musharraf, and his prestige with the army was at stake. The real question is why Musharraf did not get his men out before. Clearly the ISI was running its own war against the Americans and did not want to leave Afghanistan until the last moment."


Please accept this the entire Afghanistan and most of the pashtuns know this. Don't be blinded by your ethnicity and your paki favoritism! Withoutpakistan Taliban= BIG ZERO

The same Americans who installed Dostum, Khalili, Fahim and his men who declared Massoud'ak as 'Qahram'e Muli'? Oops, I mean Milli?

I guess it was Karzai who delivered the decree and he was proudly telling the stories of him contacting massouod to fight the Taliban lol

Salang Treaty indeed, and search up about deals between Massoud'ak and Pakistan/Russia. You will be surprised. And do more research on Durrand Line and find out who were spying for the British which made us lose such a huge land. And also bother to find out reasons of Panjdeh Treaty. And N.A. surely isn't selling Afghanistan to NATO, it's only renting it out.

there is a great difference between a temporary cease fire and watan froshi and khaak froshi like the ones in Durand and Ganduak treaties

Inhuman Soviet pigs won over as many non-Pukhtoons as communists, as Pukhtoons and our arch enemies were the one giving birth to Massoud'ak, remember?

I love it when you say massoudak

If that was the case then Taliban would have fulfilled their dream by signing the Durrand Line 'closure' while your N.A. heroes can sell your every inch to their illegimate forty NATO fathers.

They were running dogs of Pakistan and pakistan wanted a backyard for their war against India. and how would they singn durand a regime not recognized by anyone apart Pakistan and Saudi LOL that is laughable.

[Paikaar]

Ex-Soviet commander unveil Masoud's secret pact

It's easy to claim something is Paki created propaganda; but Russians who used to meet Massoud were not Pakis. You can't use this as a scapegoat one day you'll have to admit. Massoud was an immoral person.

Who is your source once again:
RAWA a pakistan based maoist organization and the news paper The News International of Pakistan lol

Yes nobody denies the "temporary ceasefore" which yeilded great result for the resistance. The soviet empire was forces to sign a cease fire with a grou they used to call bandits and etc... the reistance was legtimised and the entire world understood the potential. It is important what happneed after that 6 month truce was finished

and he was not immoral

[Paikaar]

Thanks for showing you are stuck in your own lies.


Kalakani? You mean the dude who didn't even last for a year because he made a mess in Kabul and got resisted in North as he was too desperate to bring Amanullah Khan down which went against himself and finally got executed? That, Kalakani?


If you had a little bit of sense, you would have found out what made it come this far.


Nor am I a Kandahari but every single biased word against them does effect me.


Again you got no proof so keep fooling yourself with lies.


You wanna know what's know as Bachabazi-capital in the world? Well, it is Balkh.


Forget about homosexuality and look how openly this man talks about Bachabazi and is proud of it:





And even bigger fact known by the entire world is this (do read the description):



Every Bachabaz joke is about Shamal.


I guess Mazar is full of warlords and criminals where it's more than just open bussines. It's in fact more popular than the rising prostitution in Mazar.


If the writer at least knew that Taliban were in charge since 1996 (not 1994), then I wouldn't have to tell you that even opening your mouth is too much for yourself. Try harder next time.


And it's Fahim and Co which made Massoud big in Kabul and whose men made a big joke out of Kabul. He is your own type, why the dislike?


Your entrance already made a start on battle of the dirt, his dirt-full character doesn't matter more than his forename he nicked from Baba's name.


He was. It must have been a tough job showing his butt to those who created him when his benefit was lost: Pakistan.


Same would you have done if either one of Abdali, Abdur Rahman, Amanullah, Sardar Daud, Zahir Shah, Najibullah or the Taliban were of Tajik descent.


More than half of the world doesn't even know him. Nonetheless you can explain what the likes of Baba, Amanullah and Zahir Shah were infamous for 'in this world'?


You forgot Shamalwali. Oops, I mean Bachabazi; The Afghan identity of the decade.


Even if you change to Khorasan today you will remain the same dirt containing rape of boys dressed as girls.


You also know deep down your heart (forget history) that if it isn't for your 'forty friends', you wouldn't even survive for a second. And yet, despite of millions of support and awe technology as compared to Taliban, you are losing out to them. Again.


And Shamali paid a heavy price for it afterwards, remember?


Lemme guess, no proof?


A racist will search for racism in everyone, nothing new here.


The same Americans who installed Dostum, Khalili, Fahim and his men who declared Massoud'ak as 'Qahram'e Muli'? Oops, I mean Milli?


Salang Treaty indeed, and search up about deals between Massoud'ak and Pakistan/Russia. You will be surprised. And do more research on Durrand Line and find out who were spying for the British which made us lose such a huge land. And also bother to find out reasons of Panjdeh Treaty. And N.A. surely isn't selling Afghanistan to NATO, it's only renting it out.


Inhuman Soviet pigs won over as many non-Pukhtoons as communists, as Pukhtoons and our arch enemies were the one giving birth to Massoud'ak, remember?


Nor should you be against them since they gave refuge to as many Tajiks as Pukhtoons. It's one thing to be against a government, and another to be against an entire nation.


If that was the case then Taliban would have fulfilled their dream by signing the Durrand Line 'closure' while your N.A. heroes can sell your every inch to their illegimate forty NATO fathers.


Proof?


So no Khorasani fairytale any more, without N.A.'s illegimate fathers you wouldn't even reach zero.


Make sure you don't sleep but instead spend the night thinking of more bull crap. Tah tah.

TIME Magazine | 60 Years of Asian Heroes: Ahmad Shah Massoud
Time Magazine's 60 Years of Asian Heroes
Gandhi & Nehru
Corazon Aquino
Aung San & Aung San Suu Kyi
Ahmad Shah Massoud
Deng Xiaoping
Mohammad Hatta
General Vo Nguyen Giap
Sir Murray MacLehose
General Douglas MacArthur
Mohammed Ali Jinnah
Lee Kuan YewI hope you don't get offended Massoud is listed way above Mohamad Ali Jinnah your godfather

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Being in a magazine doesn't prove he was a good guy; remember even corrupt leaders like Obama are getting the Nobel Prize.

and why would anyone be offended ? Only a mentally impotent person who suffers an inferiority complex would take pride about someone being in some Imperialist Propaganda Magazine; the fact they have Massoud and Jinnah in their magazine only shows that Massoud and Jinnah were chakar for Imperialists.

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Who is your source once again:
RAWA a pakistan based maoist organization and the news paper The News International of Pakistan lol

Yes nobody denies the "temporary ceasefore" which yeilded great result for the resistance. The soviet empire was forces to sign a cease fire with a grou they used to call bandits and etc... the reistance was legtimised and the entire world understood the potential. It is important what happneed after that 6 month truce was finished

and he was not immoral but you look pretty pathetic and immoral

General Gramov is not from Pakistani, nice try but you're looking for whatever desperate scapegoat you can to make excuses.

General Gramov was one of people who organized the ceasefire with Massoud

You should speak less and read more.

The Great Gamble: The Soviet War in ... - Google Books

I don't care what you think of my "looks", at least I'm not immoral, never drank, never did drugs, never did sexual perversions. Based on those I'm way better than Massoud.

Alhamdulilah

Anyways why are you so desperate to defend Massoud anyways? Focus on Better Tajiks for heros.

[Paikaar]

Being in a magazine doesn't prove he was a good guy; remember even corrupt leaders like Obama are getting the Nobel Prize.

and why would anyone be offended ? Only a mentally impotent person who suffers an inferiority complex would take pride about someone being in some Imperialist Propaganda Magazine; the fact they have Massoud and Jinnah in their magazine only shows that Massoud and Jinnah were chakar for Imperialists.

So from being a communist chakar he became an imperialist one lol
Your logic is laughalbe as much as you are .
keep your propaganda coming

[Paikaar]

General Gramov is not from Pakistani, nice try but you're looking for whatever desperate scapegoat you can to make excuses.

General Gramov was one of people who organized the ceasefire with Massoud

You should speak less and read more.

The Great Gamble: The Soviet War in ... - Google Books

I don't care what you think of my "looks", at least I'm not immoral, never drank, never did drugs, never did sexual perversions. Based on those I'm way better than Massoud.

Alhamdulilah

Anyways why are you so desperate to defend Massoud anyways? Focus on Better Tajiks for heros.

You are very ignorant and suffering from some learning disability
I am not say the "temporary ceasefire" didn't occur. In your link from rawa one article is from News International of Pakistan and the next one from someone else. Even there u can see the difference.

Where he did drug? Where he drank? Where he did sex? Bring 4 witnesses according to Islam otherwise you should be publicly hanged for defaming someone.
Here is the most famous and respected book About Afghnistan;
Afghanistan: a military history from alexander the great to ...
Afghanistan: a military history from ... - Google Books

Your sequence of accusing Massoud:
Sharabi>Sexy>Drugy>Russian communist>American imperialist>and God knows Al-Qaeda would be next lol
Come on admit it your logic = donkeys logic multiplied by 0.05

[MazloomYarMasud]

Hahaha Paikar, what is genione islamic heritage of the Tajiks?

Even the SAS were scared at night time because the Tajiks were raping Russian Prisoners of War.

Dont make your own mumbo jumbo up.

If you want to eradicate Pashtuns, then we will do the same and boot every tajik out of trade centres in Peshawer,Karachi and other parts of the Pashtun region, we will force you back to your Tajikistan region where 90 percent of the population die of starvation three times a year and live on Russian hand outs.

So no worries! If you want to play games with us, always remember we can push you to hell without even firing a bullet.

[Paikaar]

Being in a magazine doesn't prove he was a good guy; remember even corrupt leaders like Obama are getting the Nobel Prize.

and why would anyone be offended ? Only a mentally impotent person who suffers an inferiority complex would take pride about someone being in some Imperialist Propaganda Magazine; the fact they have Massoud and Jinnah in their magazine only shows that Massoud and Jinnah were chakar for Imperialists.

What?
RAWA and Pakistani news papers are credible for you but international media of east and west are not lol

So what do you want him to be approved by some ghiljai tribal code book lol
Here is something from an ISLAMIS which u may love:
ormer Al Qaeda member speaks about Masoud

A former Al Qaeda member speaks about Masoud

Saudi academic Musa al-Qarni, who once led the incitement to jihad in Saudi Arabia and traveled to Afghanistan in the early days of "jihad" against the Russians, believes otherwise.
Al-Qarni is an exciting character, not only because of the events he narrates about the "jihad" leaders, both dead and alive, and his testimonies about yesterday's "mujahidin" and today's "terrorists", but is also exciting because he has a calm personality that has enabled him to pass through contradictory stages and then with great cleverness to leave every one of his experiences behind him. He was the friend of all factions. Among the takfiris [those who brand other Muslims, including their own governments, as infidels] he advocated respect for the Islamic governments. He defended those whom the mujahidin branded as "apostates", such as Ahmad Shah Masood. Indeed he was a personal friend of Usamah Bin-Ladin but an opponent of the Taleban regime. Al-Qarni is a fantastic character that lived in harmony both with the zeal of "jihad" and the quiet life of academia.
Al-Hayat met Al-Qarni and now publishes his interview in the following pages:


[Al-Dhiyabi] Tell us how you travelled to Pakistan, then Afghanistan and worked alongside the mujahidin in the 1980s.

[Al-Qarni] An academic course was being held in Peshawar, Pakistan. I was a lecturer in those days and I asked the university president to allow me to join the group that was attending the course in Peshawar. I also informed him that if I went there, I would try to learn about the mujahidin's conditions. I attended the course but found time to visit the battlefronts to learn about the life of the mujahidin. I made the acquaintance of Shaykh Abdallah Azzam and Shaykh Abdul Rasul Sayyaf. In those days Shaykh Sayyaf operated a university called the University of Call and Jihad in an area close to Peshawar that had been named the Village of Migration. It had been specifically established to house refugees from Afghanistan but most of the Arabs who had come to Pakistan with their families also lived there.
At that time Shaykh Sayyaf had been elected as president of the so-called Ittihad-e Islami, the Islamic Union for the Liberation of Afghanistan. This group was formed after Muslim ulema and preachers made efforts to unite various mujahidin factions in one body, so they formed Ittihad-e Islami and elected Sayyaf as leader because he had studied at Al-Azhar and spoke Arabic well.
This encouraged the Arabs to go and settle there. Their destination was where Sayyaf resided because first of all he was the president of Ittihad-e Islami and this gave him legitimacy in their eyes and he was also proficient in Arabic. For this reason he had a guest house in the village. Indeed I was a guest there for a long time. This was the beginning.
Afterwards I wanted to stay with the mujahidin longer. Consultations were held on how I could spend a long time with the mujahidin. Since Shaykh Sayyaf had a university for call and jihad, he told me: I will petition to let you become a lecturer at my university.
He made an application to the state to allow him to invite lecturers to teach at the university. The application was referred to Medina's Islamic University, which responded by dispatching to him five instructors to teach at the University of Call and Jihad, and I was one of them. This went on for two years. Actually I played a role that was different from the four other lecturers whose tasks were confined to teaching.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Who were your colleagues at the University of Call and Jihad?

[Al-Qarni] They were Dr Hamdan Rajih al-Sharif, who is a retired professor now; Dr Ibrahim al-Murshid, who now teaches in Al-Qasim; Shaykh Rashid al-Ruhayli, a retired Islamic University professor who is over 80 now; and Professor Dakhilallah al-Ruhayli who continues to teach at the Islamic University. I was the fifth. As I said before, their role was confined to teaching at the university but my role, by virtue of my acquaintance with Shaykh Sayyaf and the mujahidin, combined teaching at the university with visits to the front to advocate the faith and give lessons in religion and Islamic shari'ah to the young mujahidin and also to take part in some operations.

[Al-Dhiyabi] What form did the advocacy of the faith take in those days?

[Al-Qarni] Many Arab young men who had joined the jihad lacked a proper Islamic education. Indeed a large percentage of them had lived a dissolute life before. Some did not become upstanding human beings until they decided to join the jihad. They became honest persons and immediately left to join the jihad. I know some young mujahidin who were later killed in the fighting - I wish God may count them as martyrs - who had led dishonest lives before and indeed some had been really dissolute. But they were attracted to jihad.
This fact actually helped me in my work as advocate of the faith because I realized that many of those dissolute young men had something good inside them but never found the proper environment that would nurture them so they fell into an immoral mode of living. When they first came to us, some of them did not even know the rules of prayer or ritual cleansing prior to performing prayers. They had only come to fight. My field of expertise was shari'ah-related and I taught the rules of physical purity before performing prayers and the rules of worship. I instructed them in the rules governing jihad, invasion, war spoils and combat and when they should fight and when they should refrain from fighting. So they attended courses in these matters. At the same time they attended military courses and received instructions from military experts.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did you yourself attend military courses? What did these courses focus on?

[Al-Qarni] They focused primarily on developing the quality of endurance. As you know, Afghanistan has a mountainous terrain that has no paved roads for vehicles. So the trainees had to learn to tolerate hardship, to climb mountains and walk for 10-12 hours a day while carrying their personal effects, weapons and food for the trip. It was important to develop their power of endurance.
Secondly they were trained in the use of personal firearms. They were in a war. They had to carry their personal weapon, a Kalashnikov rifle, and know how to use it and how to use a pistol as well. Of course military training differed from one fighter to another according to personal aptitude and the role each was expected to play. Some confined themselves to learning how to use a Kalashnikov. Some trainees wanted to learn personal combat but others wanted to learn how to use antiaircraft guns and antitank guns. Others wanted to learn how to use mines, how to manufacture them and how to dismantle them, etc. The military courses differed in these details according to the type of trainee. Most combatants received training only in the use of personal firearms, Kalashnikovs and pistols.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did anyone receive training in suicide operations?

[Al-Qarni] No, there were no suicide operations at the time. The young men used to attack tanks and fighter aircraft with their personal weapons. The battle was open. The Russian bases with their tanks and planes were there. You had your weapons and you could go and fight them face to face.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Is it true that the university where you and your four colleagues worked turned into a station for the relay of intelligence data? Was the Village of Migration also a channel for intelligence operations?

[Al-Qarni] It is necessary to have intelligence work. This is a normal state of affairs. It was not possible for the combatants taking part in the jihad in Afghanistan not to be backed by an intelligence apparatus. It is simply impossible to operate without intelligence in any country, including Pakistan and the United States. Even the enemies, the Russians, had an intelligence apparatus and sometimes they had moles in the ranks of the Afghan mujahidin. It is normal. However, we never saw any of the intelligence work. The intelligence personnel did not interact directly with the mujahidin. They worked directly with the politicians.

[Al-Dhiyabi] The mujahidin killed a group of people who used to work with them, I mean they executed them saying that they discovered that they had been providing information to other parties.

[Al-Qarni] This took place in the later stages. In the early stages, the jihad was out in the open. Public operations do not provide an opportunity for concealment. I will give you an example. Sometimes certain countries would send intelligence operatives and indeed some of them might have been sympathetic to the communists. Indeed we know that some Arab countries were sympathetic to Russia. These countries used to send intelligence personnel. What happened to those people? At first they were received as guests and then invited to join the mujahidin in combat. What would such a person do? He would be forced to become a combatant or if he was an intelligence agent, he would remain in the rear among the migrants and civilians. He could not go to the front because he would either be killed in combat or have his cover blown. These people did not want to die especially when faced with the enemy. When you confront the enemy, you must be prepared to die.

[Al-Dhiyabi] How many stages did the Afghan jihad go through in the 1980s?

[Al-Qarni] I would say the first stage lasted from the beginning of jihad until the collapse of Kabul's communist regime and the mujahidin's capture of the city. The second stage was the stage of internal conflict among the mujahidin factions, the infighting. During this period, we isolated ourselves from them. After the mujahidin entered Kabul, I returned to Saudi Arabia and refused to participate in any actions after that.

[Al-Dhiyabi] When exactly did you return?

[Al-Qarni] The problem is that I do not remember dates well.

[Al-Dhiyabi] In the early 1990s?

[Al-Qarni] Approximately.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Prior to the Taleban era?

[Al-Qarni] Yes, before the Taleban. When Ahmad Shah Masood entered Kabul and Najibullah's regime fell, I left. I believe this happened in the 1990s. I and many other brothers who had gone to the jihad in Afghanistan returned home.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did Usamah Bin-Ladin return with you?

[Al-Qarni] He returned to the country, but went back to Afghanistan later.
[Al-Dhiyabi] Do you remember the date?

[Al-Qarni] Frankly, I cannot remember dates at all.

[Al-Dhiyabi] I have heard that the mujahidin used to refuse to memorize Western calendar dates.

[Al-Qarni] No, I am not like that. First of all most of those who joined the Afghan jihad were not known by their real names but used aliases such as Abu-this and Abu-that. I used my real name everywhere I moved in Pakistan.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Was Bin-Ladin's moniker Abu-Abdallah then, the same as today?

[Al-Qarni] Yes, Bin-Ladin was always called Abu-Abdallah from the time he went there until today. He is well known. Everyone knows Bin-Ladin.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Sulayman Abu-Ghayth was with you in those days. Do you know him personally?

[Al-Qarni] I do not know him.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did you know Abu-Sulayman al-Makki, that is Khalid al-Harbi?

[Al-Qarni] Yes, we were acquainted with him at that time. He was one of the first mujahidin. He later went to Chechnya.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Let us talk more about your stay there.

[Al-Qarni] I stayed there for the first two years. Then the two years of my appointment as lecturer on loan ended. I had earned a sabbatical year by that time from my original university. I took that year because I wanted to return to Pakistan on another appointment on loan. Our original university decided that two years were enough and terminated the loan programme. However, I spent my sabbatical there. This means that I spent three years in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Later on I returned to Afghanistan for another two years, which means I spent a total of five years there.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Who took care of your family during those years?

[Al-Qarni] I still had my salary from the university and my wife's brothers lived close to her. Every six months I would go back and spend two weeks with my family. This happened during the school year. During the summer vacation I would take my family to stay with me there. I had a house in the Village of Migration. I built a house there. I stayed there for three consecutive years but I continued to visit that university in later years during the summer vacations.
[Al-Dhiyabi] Is that university still operating?

[Al-Qarni] No, it is closed now.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did you encourage extremism in those days?

[Al-Qarni] It was not called an extremist attitude at that time. Fighting the communists was the prevailing idea. Today it is called extremism. In those days it was called jihad. A Saudi architect was the one who founded the college of architecture at that university. He was a well-known brother who played a significant role in supporting jihad. He was a professor at King Sa'ud University and had an architect's office in Medina. His name was Dr Ahmad Farid Mustafa.
[Al-Dhiyabi] How did the university operate?

[Al-Qarni] Part of the curriculum of the Call and Jihad University was to instruct and train students in jihad. They were sent into Afghanistan. It was a two-hour walk between the Village of Migration and the Afghan border from the direction of Jalalabad. During the Thursday-Friday weekend groups of university students would go to the front and help the mujahidin.
[Al-Dhiyabi] Who used to train them, intelligence personnel?

[Al-Qarni] No, they had instructors. The Arab camps had Arab instructors, some of whom were retired military officers with good experience. The Afghans had their own instructors. The Pakistani army also provided material and moral support.
[Al-Dhiyabi] At that stage Bin-Ladin operated under Abdallah Azzam's command, right?

[Al-Qarni] Yes.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did Bin-Ladin express his opinion on military matters?

[Al-Qarni] He certainly did and his views were respected but he could not dictate his views. They had something that operated like a council and it was this body that debated the

mujahidin's affairs.
[Al-Dhiyabi] Describe the relations between Ahmad Shah Masood on the one hand and Abdallah Azzam and Bin-Ladin on the other.

[Al-Qarni] Shaykh Abdallah Azzam believed that no-one among the mujahidin had Masood's stature. He used to call him the hero of the north. I remember that I once asked him about his opinion of this man. Now the Arabs did not like Ahmad Shah Masood - this is something that needs to become known. The Arabs hated him for several reasons. First of all most of them were influenced by Hekmatyar and lived as his guests in his camps. It was well known throughout the jihad years that Hekmatyar was Masood's greatest enemy. The Arabs were influenced by this enmity and became hostile to Masood on these grounds. Indeed some Arabs hated Masood more than Hekmatyar himself.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Am I to understand that Hekmatyar welcomed the Arabs as his guests and incited them against Masood?

[Al-Qarni] Yes, this is a point that should become known. Masood lived in northern Afghanistan, nearer to the Russian positions. He was not close to Pakistan. It took people 20 days to reach Masood's positions from the Pakistani border. As a result Masood did not have an office in Peshawar, nor an information representative. He was stationed in the north directly on the combat lines with the Russians. In contrast, Hekmatyar and Sayyaf had camps and operated on fronts that were very close to Pakistan in the Pashtun region. Most of the Arabs who came to Pakistan and Afghanistan were on the side of Hekmatyar and Sayyaf. You could say that 95 per cent of the Arabs who joined the jihad divided themselves between Hekmatyar and Sayyaf. A small percentage joined Yunus Khalis and Jaluleddin Haqqani.
Very few Arabs joined Ahmad Shah Masood. There few of them and we knew every one. This was the first factor that made the Arabs hate Masood, namely, Hekmatyar's enmity towards him.
The second reason why the Arabs hated Masood, may he rest in peace, was that he was a methodical, strategic thinker. Combat is an organized affair, not a chaotic operation. The Arabs, many of them or actually most of them who came to carry out jihad, were not fond of military discipline. They were disorganized. Some came and stayed for one week only. They would join an operation, fire their weapons, storm a position and then return. Some stayed for a month or two and so on. For this reason the fronts on which Sayyaf and Hekmatyar operated were wide open places where people came and went.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Are you telling me that Hekmatyar's and Sayyaf's guest houses were like open coffee shops?

[Al-Qarni] I mean that they did not impose a strict regimen or force the mujahidin who joined them to stay for a particular period. This is what I mean. Masood was the opposite. He did not accept anyone who came unless he was prepared to stay on and operate under his command. He did not allow anyone to go and carry out operations except when he expressly ordered him to do so. The Arabs operating on the fronts of Hekmatyar and Sayyaf were independent. They could carry out their own operations. They did whatever they wanted without supervision. There was no-one to hold them accountable.
A group of Arabs joined Masood in the early days of jihad. They went there with the same mindset with which they dealt with Sayyaf and Hekmatyar. After they joined Masood, they planned and carried out an operation all by themselves without his knowledge. They attacked Muslim, not Russian, convoys. When Masood learned of this, he put them in jail and they were only released after a lot of pleading and intercession by certain quarters. So those who were imprisoned by Masood returned to Hekmatyar in Peshawar and they had developed an unbelievable level of hostility towards Masood because he had jailed them and disapproved of their behaviour.
Shaykh Abdallah Azzam visited Masood after a lot of negative talk was heard about him in Peshawar. Some accused Masood of being an agent of the West. They said this because his father had been a general in the Afghan army and the children of generals were sent to Western schools. Because he had studied in such schools, they accused him of being an agent of the West. This was one thing. He was also accused of immoral actions. Some people actually levelled accusations of immorality against him. The Arabs spread a lot of negative propaganda about him in Peshawar. This reached the point where they were discussing whether it was proper or not from an Islamic viewpoint to support him with money.
[Al-Dhiyabi] It has been said that Masood is a Shi'i.

[Al-Qarni] No, he is Sunni. I remember that when there was too much talk about him in Peshawar, a session was held to try him in absentia. Two people acted as his defence and 21 acted as his accusers. The two who defended him were Algerian nationals: Abdallah Uns, who now lives in Britain and is Shaykh Abdallah Azzam's son-in-law, and a man called Qari Abdelrahim. They had lived with Masood and knew him well. On the other side 21 people including Algerians, Egyptians and Yemenis acted as accusers. There were no Saudis among them. They accused Masood of offences amounting to apostasy. The trial was held and among those present were Abdallah Azzam, Shaykh Abd-al-Majid al-Zindani and Usamah Bin-Ladin.

[Al-Dhiyabi] How long did the trial last?

[Al-Qarni] It lasted a whole week. Of course they asked me to give testimony but I refused to get involved. Nevertheless I followed what was happening. I received my information from Shaykh Abdallah Azzam, Shaykh Al-Zindani, Bin-Ladin, Abdallah Uns and Qari Abdelrahim. A curious thing was that a brother of Qari Abdelrahim, who was called Qari Said, was one of Masood's bitterest enemies. I ask God to forgive Qari and have mercy on his soul. After he returned to Algeria from Afghanistan, he joined the armed groups there and was killed. The 21 accusers failed to prove Masood's guilt on any of the charges they levelled against him. When the presiding committee announced its verdict, its members declared that they would not say anything either in praise or vilification of Masood.

[Al-Dhiyabi] What do you think of this verdict?

[Al-Qarni] I think it was unfair. You should either prove a person's guilt or exonerate him but the committee ruled this way because Usamah Bin-Ladin and Shaykh Abd-al-Majid al-Zindani were more inclined to support Hekmatyar than Masood. Additionally they did not want to go against the wishes of the Arabs who were in Peshawar, saying to themselves: All the Arabs in the city are against Masood, so how could we praise him?
The only exception was Shaykh Abdallah Azzam, may he rest in peace. He said: As for me, I will praise Masood until I go to my Maker, God Almighty. He left that trial session and began implementing a plan to praise Masood. He wrote a book about him called "The Titans of the North". He could not get it printed, however, because almost all of Peshawar was semi-owned by Hekmatyar and Sayyaf. Masood had no influence there. So the book was not printed.
I once asked Shaykh Abdallah Azzam, may he rest in peace: Shaykh Abdallah, do you still believe that Masood is the hero of Afghanistan?
Azzam replied: Indeed he is the hero of Islam.
After this I told myself that I should pay a visit to Masood and get to know him from up close. Brother Abdallah Uns used to talk to me about Masood. I used to see his jihad as a different form of jihad. The mujahidin in southern Afghanistan conducted a form of guerrilla warfare. This means you cannot destroy your enemy but you can continue fighting forever. It was a form of hit-and-run warfare without a clear strategy. This is why Sayyaf, Hekmatyar, Haqqani, Yunus Khalis and all the other factions in Peshawar could not capture any of the major cities. They lived in the mountains, valleys and small villages, conducting a hit-and-run form of combat. They would carry out an attack, seize war spoils, but then the communists would come and expel them from the positions they had occupied, and so on. Masood, on the other hand, conducted a form of regular warfare. He had a regular army and a clear strategy.
In the second episode of his interview with Al-Hayah Al-Qarni continues to recount the history of the disagreements, stances, and events that swept through the "mujahidin's" state in Afghanistan, which was subsequently hijacked by the fundamentalist Taliban movement. He recounts the story of Shaykh Abdallah Azzam's killing. He makes certain intimations about Usama Bin Ladin in which he asserts that Bin Ladin would never surrender. He tells how he used to be the personal mufti [interpreter of shari'ah rules] of Bin Ladin who eventually became the world's most dangerous wanted man.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Who used to back Ahmad Shah Masood other than the United States?

[Al-Qarni] Masood was not backed by the United States. The entire US aid used to reach the mujahidin through the Pakistani army. The Pakistani army considered that its enemy number one in Afghanistan was not the communists but Masood. When he left Peshawar, he had to flee. I saw the weapons that Masood had in his possession. Most of it was Russian: tanks, planes, and firearms seized as spoils from the Russians. The aid that Masood received from other quarters was small. Priority in aid was given to Sayyaf, Hekmatyar, and Yunus Khalis although they had fewer troops. However, they were Pashtun and thus had relations with the Pakistani Government. Masood was one of [Burhanuddin] Rabbani's military commanders and he received a portion of the aid sent to Rabbani. Masood obtained most of his weapons through self-reliance. I saw the weapons he had and most of them were war spoils. He had another source of backing. I asked him about this when I stayed for about a month with him. Sometimes I used to spend around 12 hours daily with him. Sometimes we were alone, I and he and an interpreter only. We spent many hours together and developed a strong bond with each other.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Did you sense that he bore the Arab Afghans a grudge?

[Al-Qarni] Masood was not a man to bear grudges.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Tell us how the fighting between Hekmatyar and Masood became more intense.

[Al-Qarni] That was a bloody war in Afghanistan. Hekmatyar used to fight Ahmad Shah Masood more fiercely than he fought the communists. He gave more priority to fighting Masood than to fighting the Russians. For this reason, when Masood captured Kabul, Hekmatyar refused to enter the city and declared war on Masood. He did this although before he entered Kabul, Masood came to an area outside Peshawar and sent word to all the mujahidin to come and meet with him. He told them: Kabul has fallen. Now form a government among yourselves in Peshawar and come and assume power in Kabul. They all agreed to this except Hekmatyar, who came out of the meeting and declared war on Masood. He declared that he would enter Kabul only under the black banners of Hizb-e Islami. Many people tried to dissuade him from starting such a war.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Could you tell us how Abdallah Azzam was killed?

[Al-Qarni] Before Shaykh Abdallah Azzam was killed, a dispute broke out between Rabbani and Hekmatyar. There was fierce fighting between them in northern Afghanistan. Rabbani was of course represented by Masood and Hekmatyar's representative was a commander in the north who was subsequently killed. His name was Sayyid Jamal, may he rest in peace. The two sides fought bitterly to the point that roads were closed, people could not travel, and foodstuffs could not reach the villages.
Meetings were held by parties who were connected with the jihad in an attempt to reconcile the two factions. A delegation came from Saudi Arabia. It was a "popular" delegation, of course, composed of persons that the mujahidin trusted. It included Dr Muhammad Umar al-Zubayr, former president of King Abd-al-Aziz University; Shaykh Ibrahim Afandi, chairman of Al-Ittihad Club in those days; and Shaykh Abd-al-Majid al-Zindani from Yemen. These were the most prominent members and they had with them veteran supporters of jihad who had spent time in Afghanistan. They asked me to act as moderator and secretary during the meetings.
Shaykh Abdallah Azzam was at the front deep inside Afghanistan. After he heard that a reconciliation committee was going to meet, he arrived in Peshawar on the night of the meeting. I was one of the closest people to Shaykh Azzam. After the meeting delegations were sent to Hekmatyar and Rabbani until an agreement was reached. I wrote the agreement with my own hand.
It was a Thursday night, meaning that the following morning was a Friday. We, the entire committee, were meeting in a villa in an area in Pakistan called Devine's Colony. The committee members resided there and held their meetings. We met on that night and completed writing out the agreement at 12 p.m. All that was left was to sign. We wanted the agreement to be signed that night so that it would be announced to the people the next day, a Friday. The conferees decided that Shaykh Abdallah Azzam would take the agreement to Rabbani's house so that he could sign it. Rabbani lived in Peshawar in a neighborhood close to Devine's Colony.
The conferees chose an Egyptian, who was a senior member of the mujahidin called Shaykh Fathi Rifa'i, to go to Hekmatyar in a camp outside Peshawar so he could sign the agreement.
As Shaykh Azzam was leaving, he said to me: "Come with me, Shaykh Musa." He did this because he knew that there was a great amity between me and Rabbani. We went in the night, me, Shaykh Abdallah Azzam, and his nephew Abu-al-Harith who was also his chauffeur. We knocked on Rabbani's door and one of his bodyguards came out. He had been one of our students. We told him about the agreement. He went and woke up Rabbani. Rabbani came out to us and there at the front door we read to him the text of the agreement by the car's cabin light. He signed it and we returned. Shaykh Fathi Rifa'i, who had gone to meet with Hekmatyar, could not meet him at his house. He telephoned us and said he could not meet Hekmatyar.
[Al-Dhiyabi] How did Rifa'i contact you?
[Al-Qarni] There were telephones in Hekmatyar's office connected to Shaykh Abdallah Azzam's telephone. Rifa'i contacted us and said he could not meet the engineer, which is what they called Hekmatyar. Shaykh Azzam told Rifa'i: "Spend the night there and wait for him until dawn prayers. Let him sign and bring back the agreement."
[Al-Dhiyabi] And you returned?
[Al-Qarni] Shaykh Abdallah Azzam's eldest son had gone to Jordan to get married. On the night that he arrived in Peshawar with his bride, Shaykh Azzam left us after midnight after we returned from Rabbani's house. We heard news that he had asked Shaykh Rifa'i to stay until the morning and get Hekmatyar's signature and then return. We agreed that we would all meet with Shaykh Azzam in the morning.
After we performed dawn prayers, Shaykh Azzam telephoned us and said: When I arrived home, I found my son Muhammad and his wife had arrived. I have no other time to see them except now. Let us delay our meeting until after Friday prayers. You will pray with me at the mosque and after that we will go together to Islamabad. We agreed to do this.
Later while we were sitting in the villa making preparations to go to Friday prayers, the telephone rang. An Egyptian, who was a senior member of the mujahidin, raised the receiver. I was with him in the same hall in the villa. I heard him shout at the top of his voice: "There is no power except through Allah." Then he dropped the receiver and said: "Shaykh Abdallah Azzam has been the victim of an assassination." We asked: "Where?" He said: "In an area close to Peshawar."
That area was close to where we were staying and close to Shaykh Azzam's house. It was there that the mosque where shaykh Azzam always prayed was located and where the mujahidin would meet to listen to the Friday sermon.
The original plan was for us to meet at Shaykh Abdallah Azzam's house after dawn prayers and then go to Islamabad. When Shaykh Azzam found his son and his son's wife had returned, he told himself he would stay with his son for a while and then go and deliver his Friday sermon at the Sab al-Layl mosque. He had been at the fronts for a while and he needed to spend some time with his sons. He decided to deliver the Friday sermon after that and then we would all go to Islamabad. But fate intervened and an explosive device that had been placed in a culvert under the road was detonated when his car passed over it. His sons Muhammad and Ibrahim were with him in the car.
When we heard the news we hastened, each in his own way, to the site of the mosque. We found body parts strewn all over the place, some hanging from tree boughs, some on the ground 50 meters away. When we asked about Shaykh Abdallah, they said that he had been taken to the hospital. His body was still in one piece. After he was proclaimed dead, his body was taken to the Village of Migration where Sayyaf was stationed. The people gathered and we prayed over his body after evening prayers.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Who was behind the assassination?

[Al-Qarni] Frankly our analysis at that time rested on the idea that the Israeli Mosad, with help from US intelligence, was behind the assassination. However, after a while another analysis emerged indicating that the Egyptian Al-Jihad Organization was behind the killing. The members of this organization hated Shaykh Azzam and regarded him as an obstacle to the scheme that they wished to implement in Afghanistan. Personally I do not rule out this possibility.

[Al-Dhiyabi] This means that you are not completely ruling out the possibility that the Mosad was the culprit but, based on the sequence of events, you think that it is more likely that the Egyptian Al-Jihad Organization carried out the killing?

[Al-Qarni] There is an important point to remember. Shaykh Abdallah Azzam was the founder of the HAMAS movement.

[Al-Dhiyabi] And Ahmad Yasin?

[Al-Qarni] Ahmad Yasin was the spiritual guide, but the man who founded the movement and personally trained its cadres in Afghanistan was Shaykh Abdallah Azzam.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Is this a historical fact or are you saying this because you loved the man?

[Al-Qarni] No, no. I would like you to read a published book called "HAMAS, the Historical Roots."

[Al-Dhiyabi] We cannot call the Palestinians and the entire HAMAS movement liars and say that Abdallah Azzam founded the movement. We could possibly say that Abdallah Azzam helped to found the movement, but the real founder was Shaykh Ahmad Yasin.

[Al-Qarni] Perhaps.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Was the Egyptian Al-Jihad Organization strong and prominent in the Afghan arena in those days?
[Al-Qarni] Actually during the Afghan jihad era and up to the time of Kabul's fall Al-Jihad Organization did not have any roots in the arena of jihad. It was in a dormant state. Of course its members found a safe haven in Peshawar because it was an open place. You did not need a passport or anything of the sort to live there. Any person could go and live there without anyone asking questions. It was a place full of immigrants from all over the world. So they found a safe haven there where they could live with their families and reorganize themselves. They were not known among the mujahidin as active in the camps or on the battlefronts. They did not lead operations nor had any ties with the well-known Afghan jihad leaders. In the sphere of education and advocacy of the faith they were not known at all. Today their most prominent figure is Al-Zawahiri. He was not well-known in the days of jihad as he is now. The most prominent Al-Jihad Organization figure was a man they called Dr Fadl.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Is still he alive?

[Al-Qarni] I asked about him and where he had gone. They told me that he had emigrated either to Australia or Canada and had completely abandoned the jihad idea. He left Al-Jihad Organization, abandoned its ideology, and lived a normal civilian life. Al-Jihad group was not prominently known in those days. It was in a stage of reorganization.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Were they an organized group? I mean, did their name exist in that arena as the Egyptian Al-Jihad Organization or were they under the umbrella of the so-called jihadist groups or the Arab Afghans?

[Al-Qarni] They were not prominent. They lived there as individuals. They did not operate as an organized group or a party that had activities or a group that gave lectures to the mujahidin.

[Al-Dhiyabi] It has been said that Usama Bin Ladin was the one who assassinated Shaykh Abdallah Azzam because he wanted to be the only Arab leader of the jihadist groups. He already had the money but he sought additional legitimacy to be able to act and speak as the leader of the mujahidin around him. What do you think of this theory?

[Al-Qarni] As to whether he was involved in Abdallah Azzam's assassination I would as soon accuse myself of this crime rather than Bin Ladin. I knew that he and Azzam had a relationship of amity and mutual respect.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Perhaps Azzam was assassinated by Bin Ladin's "followers" without Bin Ladin being aware of the matter.

[Al-Qarni] It is possible, yes. It could have been done without his knowledge, but I cannot believe that Bin Ladin was involved in planning, financing, or even knowing about the assassination plan.

[Al-Dhiyabi] Do you think that the changing circumstances forced Bin Ladin to cooperate with the Egyptians?

[Al-Qarni] I cannot say that he was exactly forced to cooperate with them. However, the changing circumstances made Bin Ladin find only Al-Jihad Organization beside him. He found himself in circumstances that drove him to move to the other side and to adopt violence as a method. Many of the people who were acquainted with Usama Bin Ladin, and I was one of them, did not agree with his pursuit of this course. We opposed him on making this choice. When the signs began to appear that he was going to cooperate with Al-Jihad, we opposed him and tried to show him that it was an erroneous course of action.

[Al-Dhiyabi] What was his response?

The interview was published in Dar al Hayat news paper in 2007. Unfortunately, the link is no longer alive but I had this posted in my fb.

Same propaganda was going on about Massoud in peshawar, what you are saying, just coz he lived 12 days travel by foot from peshawar. He was accused of being western by Gulbuddin and the arabs who were with sayyaf and gulbuddin coz going to panjsher was hard. And massoud never came to peshawar after he left.
So the propaganda machine was very actiive to discredit him. He was even told to be Shia BUT then in 1988 Seikh Abdullah Azzam travelled to massoud's place and on when came back declared massoud loion of the north and heavily defended him and considered the hate others had for him because of his success and organization.
Azzam was assacinated by Osaman the terrorist.

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Here is the original piece copied by someone else:
The Title: The Rise and Fall of the Islamic state Dream in Afghanistan.

The Rise and Fall of the Islamic State Dream in Afghanistan

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So from being a communist chakar he became an imperialist one lol
Your logic is laughalbe as much as you are .
keep your propaganda coming

COmmunism was merely another form of Imperialism by Europeans, so he was always an Imperialist Chakar.