Afghan nationalism vs Pashtun nationalism

[da ghruno lewaneh]

tajiks dont like pashtoons, some tajiks from afg ganged up on me on youtube just because i said im pakhtun

[Nick]

Salaam Bache Kaka,

Very well said.

As for your comment about living side by side with Pashtuns, I too used to believe in that and promoted Afghan National Unity. But I think for the first time in my life, I can probably say that I don't see myself as an Afghan anymore...and don't feel any fondness towards the modern state of Afghanistan.

Although we may have many Pashtun friends, aunties, uncles, fiancées, wives, etc, who are decent people, we can't ignore the obvious. We can't reconcile with Pashtuns politically. Our land will never be ours, we will never belong in our own land, so long as we are Afghans and our land is called Afghanistan.

We are today in this sorry state (where our language and we are seen as foreigners) because of the good hearted intentions or stupidity (depending on which way you look at it) of our grand-fathers and their fathers who were fooled by the name of holy Islam by certain Pashtun leaders.

Our parents left on us this Afghanistan legacy and all the baggage’s that it comes with, the question is do we want to pass on this Afghanistan to our children or do we offer them something better...much better?

. Our land will never be ours, we will never belong in our own land, so long as we are Afghans and our land is called Afghanistan.

The Land which you born could be any body's land, don't assume all the people whom you share a same language can claim it all for themselves. Good example would be NFG (New Afghan Generation) born in Canada or America and their has been here since 1980s-90s and now they are teenage or mid 20s, there are many of them, Canada or USA is their country, but in reality, they can become politicians, they can become Doctors, engineers, whatsoever work hard for the country and earn money and fame however. But down the road they can never assume that Canada would be a Sunni country, or City of Toronto should be closed for Eid, like how few weeks ago fitly Qazalbash/Hazaras/Ismailis assumed that just by getting out making mess in the streets of Kabul, Kabul like any Iranian/Shia city should be closed or something. Who cares? Such acts were just stupid.
Same goes for Chinese looking Tajikistani and Uzbeks of Balkh calling themselves "natives of Balkh" who wanted to use an Anti-Afghan/Anti-Sunni or Irani word Dankisga sorry Daneshgah for the University. What these people like just because majority of Afghans are not educated it doesn't mean they don't know their history, after all they are tribal people history is passed on now matter whatsoever, Just because Balkh was killed by Ghangis Khan, doesn't mean it no longer Afghan. Today Mashallah Balkh is still Afghan if not 40% at least 30% after all Timur was still fighting Afghan tribes who wanted to take control of Balkh, therefore from Ancient times until now Afghans still live in Balkh, it was for Afghan and always well be.
You don't want to be Afghan lol No-body asks you so, just forget it Tajikistan still needs more people as her people are leaving Tajikistan for better pay in Moscow its almost empty during Summer times, besides from afghanistan its very easy to get there just grap a piece of wood and hold on for 30 mins and somewhere down you well reach Tajikistan if you hold for another 2 hours you might reach Uzbekistan, no joke the current of Amo is very fast. Unless you want to go back to Mongolia. If you are Gazalbash or Ismaili Hey down Herat, right passing Koh-e-Khoja is the most easiest and fastest way to reach for Iran.

We are today in this sorry state (where our language and we are seen as foreigners) because of the good hearted intentions or stupidity (depending on which way you look at it) of our grand-fathers and their fathers who were fooled by the name of holy Islam by certain Pashtun leaders.

By Certian Pashtun leaders? What you wanted them to do? should they be like Hitler and for the sake of 30%-40% Afghan nejat destroy or kill another 60%-70% non-afghans, who just happens to be invaders of 12th-13th century, settlers of 16th century, or immigrants of 18th-19th century? Occupying today almost 65% of Northern Afghan Land, so much that lands were renamed so reflect these new comers and invaders.

I think these "Pashtun" you are referring were not devils in their books they remark the issue that they wanted to unite their many divided tribes into a solid nation and therefore they had to accept non-Afghan. Internal fight could further create problems which is why you forefathers were not dumb but rather very smart, one good example was during Ahmad Abdaliate, the many non-Afghan Qwams wasted no time in making sure no blood is spelled because Afghans being majority could still invade north at the end these non-Afghans belonging to other side of Amo could be kicked out back to Bukhara and Samarkand, losing their wealth and land. Therefore they had no choice other than to accept the reality that 700 years of non-Afghan ruling finally northern Afghan land was still are not going to be theirs.

We are today in this sorry state

Why should you non-afghan be in sorry state? during Russian 5 million people died and only 20% were non-Afghans, because majority of non-afghan region had no anti-soviet resistance. It was only during internal political/militancy conflict that non-Afghans bodies were lied in the streets of kabul before that Russians made them happy, after all they were now to be united with their northern brother, and Russian also built 5 major bridges and 6 roads in making sure the strong god created mighty river may no-longer divide the Afghanistan and Turkistan. 2 were destroyed during 1990s and left with 3 bridges. Since during American invasion until now some 5 million people are killed aside from road bomb and few bomb here in there much of northern Afghanistan are in peace, and again majority of those died were from Southern regions which represents majority.

My friend stop living in your fairy-tale personal stories, if there is a war on any Race in trouble today its the Avgans, if there is any linguistic group that is in state of sorry right are now are the Pashtuns, be it in Pakistan, Afghanistan or even in Iran (remember few months ago local many Irani Pashtuns were hanged). Therefore today you are not in any sorry state if you are a non-Afghan good luck, cause from Media to Politic and from education to Business, its the Golden era for the non-Afghans, Bayat, or Kam, Atiqullah General Trading, Bashiri Company, Bedeil Company, Mominzada Enterprises etc etc. Non-Afghans are ruling with a selfish Mofia Government, and our president an A$$ who can't even speak probably, brought shame on millions of Popalzais.

A few years later now, knowing what I do now about Afghanistan’s history, reading what I have read about its history, reading the raw opinions of Pashtuns,

LOL yeah right reading Western books LOL so you think you have smarten-up lol with almost 20% informatory and 80% BS. LOL Yeah lol 1990s Western Books, The Religion of Muslims is called Mohammadian lol.

[MazloomYarMasud]

This is getting extremely childish.

We're all Brothers, Tajiks and Pashtoons, don't let dividers get in the way.

This is why People like MazloomYar and Toramana want Ethnic Nationalism; they want to make us kill each other; even in other threads they will try to stir hatred between Pashtoon tribes like Waziris and Khattaks. They hate everyone, Pashtoon and Tajik alike, don't fall for the trap.

Says the Promotor of Arab Imperialism.

Dude, your buddy Alchemist called the people of Waziristan and Bolochistan as Kaffirs for trying to divide Pakistan.

Do not make a fool of yourself. Its not me complaining about Tajiks, come to Peshawer,DI Khan, Tank in Pakhtunkhwa and You will spend most of your time listening to Pashtun Refugees complaining about Tajiks and their rapist ways.

You are the kind of person, who uses Islam in a form of Arab Nationalism, you will try to unite us and then enforce Arabic and the backward lifestyles of the bedion Arab.

You are more dangerous then you think,so do not speak of other members here such as me and Toramana.

We are all born and bred in Pakhtunkhwa unlike some who born in the West to mixed parents and have not even spent a week in their "countries of origin".

I do not mean to offend you but you must be very low to exploit the feelings of Muslims here to rebuild your already 50th time failed Global Khalifate.

Its cool if Pashtuns in Afghanistan want to remain with Tajiks,Afghans of Arab descent, Uzbeks and Mongolians, its cool but please keep their presence within your part of the world and not allow them to enter our region to spread this insecure version of uncivilised Barbarity in the name of Loy Afghanistan, Muslim Brotherhood etc etc etc.

In Waziristan, we never heard of the name Talib until Arabs, Mullahs from Afghanistan and Punjab started preaching promises and false rewards.

If Pakistan Army was not so corrupted, respected the Pashtun people and did not get involved in the Soviet War, I would have never been a Nationalist, If Pakistan Army removed the FCR, brought political awareness into the tribal areas, provided us with Protection against Foreigners, I would have joined the Pakistan Army, Sadly, Pakistan never done that for the Pashtun people, So do not make things worse

[Paikaar]

Says the Promotor of Arab Imperialism.

Dude, your buddy Alchemist called the people of Waziristan and Bolochistan as Kaffirs for trying to divide Pakistan.

Do not make a fool of yourself. Its not me complaining about Tajiks, come to Peshawer,DI Khan, Tank in Pakhtunkhwa and You will spend most of your time listening to Pashtun Refugees complaining about Tajiks and their rapist ways.

You are the kind of person, who uses Islam in a form of Arab Nationalism, you will try to unite us and then enforce Arabic and the backward lifestyles of the bedion Arab.

You are more dangerous then you think,so do not speak of other members here such as me and Toramana.

We are all born and bred in Pakhtunkhwa unlike some who born in the West to mixed parents and have not even spent a week in their "countries of origin".

I do not mean to offend you but you must be very low to exploit the feelings of Muslims here to rebuild your already 50th time failed Global Khalifate.

Its cool if Pashtuns in Afghanistan want to remain with Tajiks,Afghans of Arab descent, Uzbeks and Mongolians, its cool but please keep their presence within your part of the world and not allow them to enter our region to spread this insecure version of uncivilised Barbarity in the name of Loy Afghanistan, Muslim Brotherhood etc etc etc.

In Waziristan, we never heard of the name Talib until Arabs, Mullahs from Afghanistan and Punjab started preaching promises and false rewards.

If Pakistan Army was not so corrupted, respected the Pashtun people and did not get involved in the Soviet War, I would have never been a Nationalist, If Pakistan Army removed the FCR, brought political awareness into the tribal areas, provided us with Protection against Foreigners, I would have joined the Pakistan Army, Sadly, Pakistan never done that for the Pashtun people, So do not make things worse

We don't want LOY afghanistan and would love to give you khost,paktia, paktika and some other places where wild tribes are based.

It is 21st century, for decades non-pashtuns were fooled by the notion of national unity yet suppressing their language and culture. Specially from 1930s onwards. Even amanullah khan was involved in pashtunisation of Afghanistan by relocating pashtun settlers in north and west.

Even during all these years ONLY the illetrate leaders have been pashtuns thanks to imperialism and colonialism while the bulk of middle class, ruling class and people of government and army were Tajiks.
Illetrate pashtuns were incharge of the army but the officer core were Tajiks. Same with the government, the beurucracy and the business class elite were the educated Tajiks,

Eventhough, foreign education was the exclusive right of ruling family. But now even Hazaras go out for study.

What Tajiks needed was an awareness and a push to make them smell the coffee and now it is done,.. they understand the power and potential they have. No longer compromise and working as the beuricracy.


Thanks to Almightly God pashtuns are divided into 1000 tribes and all have same level of problems withthemsleves as they have with outsiders.
But not all pashtuns are bad. The worst ones having animalistic nature are Ghiljais! Durranis are overall better than ghilzais..The nicest ones amongst Pashtuns who have mutul respect and coexistance with us are the Alokozay and Achikzai

@Shayesta
You are so right. the majority of these hardcore pashtun fanatics are either pakistani pashtuns who have seeked refugee in the name of afghans or afghans who have never been to Afghanistan.

[Paikaar]

The issue is not the fact that people must get along politically. Political differences and squabbles are inevitable. The issue is having a country where fundamental questions in regards to the country's identity, history, culture, political organization are agreed upon. I don’t want to get into too much details, but I talked extensively to young Hazara and Uzbek students during my visit to Afghanistan. I think there is a general consensus amongst Tajiks, Hazaras, and Uzbek nationalists for laying the initial foundations for an eventual partition and creation of a federal and decentralized state of Khurasan.



Sister, how was it the Tajiks fault? That Pashtuns were given fertile lands of Tajiks in the north, and in the process due to them living in Farsi-speaking areas, they forget to speak Pashto and today speak Farsi? LOL

When I talked about for the sake of Islam, I was actually talking about our Tajik ancestors who made political alliances with Pashtuns. Hence this Afghanistan is their legacy to us. A legacy that I don't think I want to pass to my children and grand-children.




LOL That is actually quite an insult, but I’m glad that one’s obedience to their religious obligations and piety will not be determined by a Pashtun generalization that “Tajiks are way less religious than Pashtuns”.


Kabulis are not representative of the broader Tajiks. Furthermore the most liberal Kabulis were in fact Mohmadzayees and other migrants to Kabul.

If by “way less religious” you mean practicing the Pashtunwali that the Taliban enforced calling it Islam, then I agree...yes we are proudly “way less” religious and we certainly don’t need a village Mullah from Marjah to teach us about “Islam”.



This majority/minority argument and this idea of victim mentality by the same people who took over forcefully the most fertile lands of the north but are now complaining how they forget their “culture” due to the Tajiks is precisely why I’m beginning to think this Afghan unity concept is a waste of time.

FYI, sister if you actually do go to Qundoz, and a few districts of Baghlan, you will see these Pashtuns still live a very Pashtun life who speak Pashto amongst themselves and have an accent when speaking Farsi. They are not reading Mawlana’s Masnavi or playing Buzkashi or celebrating Nawrooz.
Okay, that's enough I'm geting a headache

Salam Khidr e Aziz

You are so right, wondering what you doing amongst these people lol

We are proud of our genuine islamic heritage not a hybrid Islam made up of pashtunwali and intrepretations of Mullah Omar.
Yes the liberal kabulis were/are mohamaadzayes who settled in Kabul when the capital was moved.

Bache Kaka
No more political alliances. I see much potential in our young generation who see themselves as democratically potential rulers not subordinates anymore. Who want their own identity and a country they can call home.
I am very hopeful and happy.
As in your video our youth stand up bravely. Gone are the days of national unity fooling people!!
Yes our expired generation are still attached to this idea but it is the third generation and the youth who matter. And thankfully the more pashtunism the more our yout shall wake up

[Paikaar]

Who is way less religious " Pakhtun neem Quran nemani" LoL

[Paikaar]

Pashtuns are making an effort at least in Balkh to integrate into the society. This year for the first time they celebrated shaab e Yalda lol good try

[Paikaar]

The Land which you born could be any body's land, don't assume all the people whom you share a same language can claim it all for themselves. Good example would be NFG (New Afghan Generation) born in Canada or America and their has been here since 1980s-90s and now they are teenage or mid 20s, there are many of them, Canada or USA is their country, but in reality, they can become politicians, they can become Doctors, engineers, whatsoever work hard for the country and earn money and fame however. But down the road they can never assume that Canada would be a Sunni country, or City of Toronto should be closed for Eid, like how few weeks ago fitly Qazalbash/Hazaras/Ismailis assumed that just by getting out making mess in the streets of Kabul, Kabul like any Iranian/Shia city should be closed or something. Who cares? Such acts were just stupid.
Same goes for Chinese looking Tajikistani and Uzbeks of Balkh calling themselves "natives of Balkh" who wanted to use an Anti-Afghan/Anti-Sunni or Irani word Dankisga sorry Daneshgah for the University. What these people like just because majority of Afghans are not educated it doesn't mean they don't know their history, after all they are tribal people history is passed on now matter whatsoever, Just because Balkh was killed by Ghangis Khan, doesn't mean it no longer Afghan. Today Mashallah Balkh is still Afghan if not 40% at least 30% after all Timur was still fighting Afghan tribes who wanted to take control of Balkh, therefore from Ancient times until now Afghans still live in Balkh, it was for Afghan and always well be.
You don't want to be Afghan lol No-body asks you so, just forget it Tajikistan still needs more people as her people are leaving Tajikistan for better pay in Moscow its almost empty during Summer times, besides from afghanistan its very easy to get there just grap a piece of wood and hold on for 30 mins and somewhere down you well reach Tajikistan if you hold for another 2 hours you might reach Uzbekistan, no joke the current of Amo is very fast. Unless you want to go back to Mongolia. If you are Gazalbash or Ismaili Hey down Herat, right passing Koh-e-Khoja is the most easiest and fastest way to reach for Iran.


By Certian Pashtun leaders? What you wanted them to do? should they be like Hitler and for the sake of 30%-40% Afghan nejat destroy or kill another 60%-70% non-afghans, who just happens to be invaders of 12th-13th century, settlers of 16th century, or immigrants of 18th-19th century? Occupying today almost 65% of Northern Afghan Land, so much that lands were renamed so reflect these new comers and invaders.

I think these "Pashtun" you are referring were not devils in their books they remark the issue that they wanted to unite their many divided tribes into a solid nation and therefore they had to accept non-Afghan. Internal fight could further create problems which is why you forefathers were not dumb but rather very smart, one good example was during Ahmad Abdaliate, the many non-Afghan Qwams wasted no time in making sure no blood is spelled because Afghans being majority could still invade north at the end these non-Afghans belonging to other side of Amo could be kicked out back to Bukhara and Samarkand, losing their wealth and land. Therefore they had no choice other than to accept the reality that 700 years of non-Afghan ruling finally northern Afghan land was still are not going to be theirs.

Why should you non-afghan be in sorry state? during Russian 5 million people died and only 20% were non-Afghans, because majority of non-afghan region had no anti-soviet resistance. It was only during internal political/militancy conflict that non-Afghans bodies were lied in the streets of kabul before that Russians made them happy, after all they were now to be united with their northern brother, and Russian also built 5 major bridges and 6 roads in making sure the strong god created mighty river may no-longer divide the Afghanistan and Turkistan. 2 were destroyed during 1990s and left with 3 bridges. Since during American invasion until now some 5 million people are killed aside from road bomb and few bomb here in there much of northern Afghanistan are in peace, and again majority of those died were from Southern regions which represents majority.

My friend stop living in your fairy-tale personal stories, if there is a war on any Race in trouble today its the Avgans, if there is any linguistic group that is in state of sorry right are now are the Pashtuns, be it in Pakistan, Afghanistan or even in Iran (remember few months ago local many Irani Pashtuns were hanged). Therefore today you are not in any sorry state if you are a non-Afghan good luck, cause from Media to Politic and from education to Business, its the Golden era for the non-Afghans, Bayat, or Kam, Atiqullah General Trading, Bashiri Company, Bedeil Company, Mominzada Enterprises etc etc. Non-Afghans are ruling with a selfish Mofia Government, and our president an A$$ who can't even speak probably, brought shame on millions of Popalzais.



LOL yeah right reading Western books LOL so you think you have smarten-up lol with almost 20% informatory and 80% BS. LOL Yeah lol 1990s Western Books, The Religion of Muslims is called Mohammadian lol.

To me you seem a bagfull of sh**t worth not replying

[Shayesta]

We would love to give you khost,paktia, paktika and some other places where wild tribes are based.

If areas of Pukhtoons are described as wild then how shall we describe Tajik areas? Bachabaz?

It is 21st century, for decades non-pashtuns were fooled by the notion of national unity yet suppressing their language and culture.

Isn't it funny how we Pukhtoons are known as Awghan'e Ghool, yet you claim Tajiks have been fooled and that also for centuries? Even funnier is that if Pukhtoons say they have been fooled in name of Islam by Pakistan you call them Wataforosh, yet call us Pukhtoons evil again for fooling you, the educated and civilized Tajiks, in name of Islam?

Even amanullah khan was involved in pashtunisation of Afghanistan by relocating pashtun settlers in north and west.

Prove that he did that on purpose of snatching lands. His reason was against the threat by Russians and British and he was the one who set up a trend which was carried in Kabul for decades; Western 'clothing'.

Even during all these years ONLY the illetrate leaders have been pashtuns thanks to imperialism and colonialism while the bulk of middle class, ruling class and people of government and army were Tajiks.

Oh yeah, the literates of Fahim, Rabbani and Massoud is the one we need? Oh puh-lease! And you only gained power and control after NATO's support, otherwise you would have been where you were all those centuries; Under Pukhtoon-dominance.

Illetrate pashtuns were incharge of the army but the officer core were Tajiks. Same with the government, the beurucracy and the business class elite were the educated Tajiks,

Really? Name some and lemme understand who on earth you are talking about?

What Tajiks needed was an awareness and a push to make them smell the coffee and now it is done,.. they understand the power and potential they have.

Isn't it sad, that you only realized this after USA decided to put you in the positions you wanted to? Just like Pukhtoons, even you have been yearning for foreign support in order to maintain power but never will you admit this, day-dreaming it was Massoud who made you come this far. LOL.

The worst ones having animalistic nature are Ghiljais! Durranis are overall better than ghilzais.

And you are supposed to be the educated one and civilized and yet don't know what 'generalising' means? Oh my, the intelligence!

You are so right, wondering what you doing amongst these people

Ask yourself. At least Khidr is a respectful and smart individual.

We are proud of our genuine islamic heritage not a hybrid Islam made up of pashtunwali and intrepretations of Mullah Omar.

When did you ever follow Pakhtunwali? And visit Mazar, Herat and Kabul and ask yourself where you are following Islam?

Gone are the days of national unity fooling people!!

You mean gone is your 'struggle' for power thanks to NATO?

Who is way less religious " Pakhtun neem Quran nemani"

If you attend an all-Pukhtoon wedding followed by an all-Tajik wedding, you will know what I mean. Or just visit a family with all-Pukhtoons, and one with all-Tajiks.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Says the Promotor of Arab Imperialism.

Dude, your buddy Alchemist called the people of Waziristan and Bolochistan as Kaffirs for trying to divide Pakistan.

Do not make a fool of yourself. Its not me complaining about Tajiks, come to Peshawer,DI Khan, Tank in Pakhtunkhwa and You will spend most of your time listening to Pashtun Refugees complaining about Tajiks and their rapist ways.

You are the kind of person, who uses Islam in a form of Arab Nationalism, you will try to unite us and then enforce Arabic and the backward lifestyles of the bedion Arab.

You are more dangerous then you think,so do not speak of other members here such as me and Toramana.

We are all born and bred in Pakhtunkhwa unlike some who born in the West to mixed parents and have not even spent a week in their "countries of origin".

I do not mean to offend you but you must be very low to exploit the feelings of Muslims here to rebuild your already 50th time failed Global Khalifate.

Its cool if Pashtuns in Afghanistan want to remain with Tajiks,Afghans of Arab descent, Uzbeks and Mongolians, its cool but please keep their presence within your part of the world and not allow them to enter our region to spread this insecure version of uncivilised Barbarity in the name of Loy Afghanistan, Muslim Brotherhood etc etc etc.

In Waziristan, we never heard of the name Talib until Arabs, Mullahs from Afghanistan and Punjab started preaching promises and false rewards.

If Pakistan Army was not so corrupted, respected the Pashtun people and did not get involved in the Soviet War, I would have never been a Nationalist, If Pakistan Army removed the FCR, brought political awareness into the tribal areas, provided us with Protection against Foreigners, I would have joined the Pakistan Army, Sadly, Pakistan never done that for the Pashtun people, So do not make things worse

It would be practically impossible for me to promote Arab Imperialism because All Intelligent people are aware that Arab Imperialism is merely the fantasy concoction of European Writers of Orientalism to portray, They invented this false dichotomy of "civilized and barbaric" as a tactic to justify their own corruptions against world society. I have openly declared opposition to Orientalism, Imperialism and their fabricated concoctions; which include the Divide and Rule strategy of conflating Islam with "Arab Nationalism" which Islam has always opposed from it's inception; in an attempt to instigate a rift between their hereditary connection to Islam because it encourages resistance to corrupt Capitalist Imperialist doctrines and in turn pacify them to their agenda under the guise of "modernization".

As for what Alchemist says; please provide DIRECT QUOTE where he makes any allusions of Waziristan or Balouchistan being "Kaffir" for fighting the Pakistan Army. Based on what I know of Alchemist , this is highly inconsistent to the views we have discussed. So please provide proof. Then we can compare his quotes and your quotes which explicit extol European Agendas and Designs on Asia.

Your arguments are confused, first you accuse me of being a lackey of Arab Imperialism, now you're accusing me of being a lackey of Tajiks, Uzbeks and such just because I think your bigoted racialist brainwashing is logically absurd. You're trying for anything and yet nothing sticks, because there is no intellectual merit in your arguments. There are in mine. If you want to talk about low, then the epitome of LOW is someone who constantly ploys on racism and ethnic rivalry for their cause.

After all "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

Worst off, you don't genuinely care for the respect of Pashtoons as you claim; Nationalism is just a smokescreen, which is why it is corrupt and wrong. You have demonstrated numerous times your allegiance and promotion of capitalist hegemonic ideological designs; so your whole rhetoric about resisting Arab Imperialism is bogus. You seek to want to have imposed on Pashtoons exactly those things, except from White Europeans who's lies and nonsense you persistently peddle here.

Just because wretches like Massoud and Fahim were Tajiks, doesn't make Tajiks "rapists", remember Pashtoons had Najibullah and Hekmatyar, and we all know the sick things both men did to Pashtoons and Tajiks alike; and why Najib was eventually punished the way he was, which you disgracefully termed "embracing their bhaijans" as if Badal for their parents and relatives being exterminated by Najib's approval needed Pakistani Government's instigation to have enacted.


At least I can admit my background and where I was born where as you have on one hand claimed to have been born in Pashtunkhwah while peddling typical North American jingoisms of "Kool Aid" and admitting your father and grandfather Migrated to the UK, which would mean YOU are also born and raised in Western countries. Maybe you want to hold off on saying stuff like "Dude"l if you want to take the credible position of speaking from experience; you clearly hide what you really are. Where as I can say my father is an Afghan Pashtoon from Ghazni and my mom is an Arabic woman from Yemen proudly; without any CIA concocted pretense.

So if you want to make this a smear campaign; then by all means try me I will be more than happy to publicly expose you and have your CIA Internet Disinformation Chief cut you from the payroll so you go back on food stamps. All that studying Pashto for the last 10 years for nothing.

Real Pashtoons ALWAYS united with Muslim brethren; which is proven by the histories of Mir Wais Khan Hotaki and Sher Shah Souri. You are just a poser who has a weird Pashtoon fetish.

[Paikaar]

It would be practically impossible for me to promote Arab Imperialism because All Intelligent people are aware that Arab Imperialism is merely the fantasy concoction of European Writers of Orientalism to portray, They invented this false dichotomy of "civilized and barbaric" as a tactic to justify their own corruptions against world society. I have openly declared opposition to Orientalism, Imperialism and their fabricated concoctions; which include the Divide and Rule strategy of conflating Islam with "Arab Nationalism" which Islam has always opposed from it's inception; in an attempt to instigate a rift between their hereditary connection to Islam because it encourages resistance to corrupt Capitalist Imperialist doctrines and in turn pacify them to their agenda under the guise of "modernization".

As for what Alchemist says; please provide DIRECT QUOTE where he makes any allusions of Waziristan or Balouchistan being "Kaffir" for fighting the Pakistan Army. Based on what I know of Alchemist , this is highly inconsistent to the views we have discussed. So please provide proof. Then we can compare his quotes and your quotes which explicit extol European Agendas and Designs on Asia.

Your arguments are confused, first you accuse me of being a lackey of Arab Imperialism, now you're accusing me of being a lackey of Tajiks, Uzbeks and such just because I think your bigoted racialist brainwashing is logically absurd. You're trying for anything and yet nothing sticks, because there is no intellectual merit in your arguments. There are in mine. If you want to talk about low, then the epitome of LOW is someone who constantly ploys on racism and ethnic rivalry for their cause.

After all "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

Worst off, you don't genuinely care for the respect of Pashtoons as you claim; Nationalism is just a smokescreen, which is why it is corrupt and wrong. You have demonstrated numerous times your allegiance and promotion of capitalist hegemonic ideological designs; so your whole rhetoric about resisting Arab Imperialism is bogus. You seek to want to have imposed on Pashtoons exactly those things, except from White Europeans who's lies and nonsense you persistently peddle here.

Just because wretches like Massoud and Fahim were Tajiks, doesn't make Tajiks "rapists", remember Pashtoons had Najibullah and Hekmatyar, and we all know the sick things both men did to Pashtoons and Tajiks alike; and why Najib was eventually punished the way he was, which you disgracefully termed "embracing their bhaijans" as if Badal for their parents and relatives being exterminated by Najib's approval needed Pakistani Government's instigation to have enacted.


At least I can admit my background and where I was born where as you have on one hand claimed to have been born in Pashtunkhwah while peddling typical North American jingoisms of "Kool Aid" and admitting your father and grandfather Migrated to the UK, which would mean YOU are also born and raised in Western countries. Maybe you want to hold off on saying stuff like "Dude"l if you want to take the credible position of speaking from experience; you clearly hide what you really are. Where as I can say my father is an Afghan Pashtoon from Ghazni and my mom is an Arabic woman from Yemen proudly; without any CIA concocted pretense.

So if you want to make this a smear campaign; then by all means try me I will be more than happy to publicly expose you and have your CIA Internet Disinformation Chief cut you from the payroll so you go back on food stamps. All that studying Pashto for the last 10 years for nothing.

Real Pashtoons ALWAYS united with Muslim brethren; which is proven by the histories of Mir Wais Khan Hotaki and Sher Shah Souri. You are just a poser who has a weird Pashtoon fetish.

Careful man!
To us Massoud holds more significance and importance than ahmad khan abali. Where did he order rape, torture? show me a single proof he sold an inch of Afghanistan?? while we all know who have been traditionally watanfroshs

[Paikaar]

If areas of Pukhtoons are described as wild then how shall we describe Tajik areas? Bachabaz?


Isn't it funny how we Pukhtoons are known as Awghan'e Ghool, yet you claim Tajiks have been fooled and that also for centuries? Even funnier is that if Pukhtoons say they have been fooled in name of Islam by Pakistan you call them Wataforosh, yet call us Pukhtoons evil again for fooling you, the educated and civilized Tajiks, in name of Islam?


Prove that he did that on purpose of snatching lands. His reason was against the threat by Russians and British and he was the one who set up a trend which was carried in Kabul for decades; Western 'clothing'.


Oh yeah, the literates of Fahim, Rabbani and Massoud is the one we need? Oh puh-lease! And you only gained power and control after NATO's support, otherwise you would have been where you were all those centuries; Under Pukhtoon-dominance.


Really? Name some and lemme understand who on earth you are talking about?


Isn't it sad, that you only realized this after USA decided to put you in the positions you wanted to? Just like Pukhtoons, even you have been yearning for foreign support in order to maintain power but never will you admit this, day-dreaming it was Massoud who made you come this far. LOL.


And you are supposed to be the educated one and civilized and yet don't know what 'generalising' means? Oh my, the intelligence!


Ask yourself. At least Khidr is a respectful and smart individual.



When did you ever follow Pakhtunwali? And visit Mazar, Herat and Kabul and ask yourself where you are following Islam?


You mean gone is your 'struggle' for power thanks to NATO?


If you attend an all-Pukhtoon wedding followed by an all-Tajik wedding, you will know what I mean. Or just visit a family with all-Pukhtoons, and one with all-Tajiks.

Bachabaazi was introduced in the north after the settlement of homosexuals from Kandahar!

2nd:
Here is your power and your source of pride (PATO) Punjab Atlantic Treaty Organization) lol
YouTube - Captured Pakistani Taliban & Army Personnel in Afghanistan 1997 regret fighting Ahmad Shah Massoud

lolol so much of pashtun power 1997

Never ever speak of power and yoru dominance again. Because without Pakistan and coloialism you are = BIG ZERO

Was it me to bring my arab lords to have massoud killed lol


Yes, I don't deny it. Massoud, though regretfully was/considered himslef awghan.. but he did become a shining star for us. He revitalised Tajik Nationalism. Although, he was National nationalist.

What I meant by youth awakening was that for decades they didn't care what pashtuns were secretly doing they just cared for their country, but now they DO know whats going on! and they are standing up for it.

I actually personally thank you and rest of pashtuns like you who by hating and trying to pashtunize us have give us logical reasons to rally our youth around an idea.

http://jawedan.org/index.php/%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%AE%DB%8C/%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%AA-%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%BA%D9%86.html

The document of snatching fertile lands in north (Qataghan) by mardome hokomat e Mashreqi and Junubbi in the time of amanullah khan.

[Paikaar]

It would be practically impossible for me to promote Arab Imperialism because All Intelligent people are aware that Arab Imperialism is merely the fantasy concoction of European Writers of Orientalism to portray, They invented this false dichotomy of "civilized and barbaric" as a tactic to justify their own corruptions against world society. I have openly declared opposition to Orientalism, Imperialism and their fabricated concoctions; which include the Divide and Rule strategy of conflating Islam with "Arab Nationalism" which Islam has always opposed from it's inception; in an attempt to instigate a rift between their hereditary connection to Islam because it encourages resistance to corrupt Capitalist Imperialist doctrines and in turn pacify them to their agenda under the guise of "modernization".

As for what Alchemist says; please provide DIRECT QUOTE where he makes any allusions of Waziristan or Balouchistan being "Kaffir" for fighting the Pakistan Army. Based on what I know of Alchemist , this is highly inconsistent to the views we have discussed. So please provide proof. Then we can compare his quotes and your quotes which explicit extol European Agendas and Designs on Asia.

Your arguments are confused, first you accuse me of being a lackey of Arab Imperialism, now you're accusing me of being a lackey of Tajiks, Uzbeks and such just because I think your bigoted racialist brainwashing is logically absurd. You're trying for anything and yet nothing sticks, because there is no intellectual merit in your arguments. There are in mine. If you want to talk about low, then the epitome of LOW is someone who constantly ploys on racism and ethnic rivalry for their cause.

After all "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

Worst off, you don't genuinely care for the respect of Pashtoons as you claim; Nationalism is just a smokescreen, which is why it is corrupt and wrong. You have demonstrated numerous times your allegiance and promotion of capitalist hegemonic ideological designs; so your whole rhetoric about resisting Arab Imperialism is bogus. You seek to want to have imposed on Pashtoons exactly those things, except from White Europeans who's lies and nonsense you persistently peddle here.

Just because wretches like Massoud and Fahim were Tajiks, doesn't make Tajiks "rapists", remember Pashtoons had Najibullah and Hekmatyar, and we all know the sick things both men did to Pashtoons and Tajiks alike; and why Najib was eventually punished the way he was, which you disgracefully termed "embracing their bhaijans" as if Badal for their parents and relatives being exterminated by Najib's approval needed Pakistani Government's instigation to have enacted.


At least I can admit my background and where I was born where as you have on one hand claimed to have been born in Pashtunkhwah while peddling typical North American jingoisms of "Kool Aid" and admitting your father and grandfather Migrated to the UK, which would mean YOU are also born and raised in Western countries. Maybe you want to hold off on saying stuff like "Dude"l if you want to take the credible position of speaking from experience; you clearly hide what you really are. Where as I can say my father is an Afghan Pashtoon from Ghazni and my mom is an Arabic woman from Yemen proudly; without any CIA concocted pretense.

So if you want to make this a smear campaign; then by all means try me I will be more than happy to publicly expose you and have your CIA Internet Disinformation Chief cut you from the payroll so you go back on food stamps. All that studying Pashto for the last 10 years for nothing.

Real Pashtoons ALWAYS united with Muslim brethren; which is proven by the histories of Mir Wais Khan Hotaki and Sher Shah Souri. You are just a poser who has a weird Pashtoon fetish.

You are too good to be a pashtun.

[Shayesta]

To us Massoud holds more significance and importance than ahmad khan abali.

I wonder what qualities he had which was lacking in Abdali? And now be very thoughtful of your replies because I have done hella loads of researchs on him and my own relatives have known Massoud personally, so I know very well what I am talking about.

while we all know who have been traditionally watanfroshs

Oh yeah, the 'tradition' becomes 'helplessness' when Northern Alliance does the same by selling the nation to over forty countries. It's only called Watanforoshi tradition when Pukhtoons do it to one or two countries, right?

Bachabaazi was introduced in the north after the settlement of homosexuals from Kandahar!

Oh is it? I thought the Greeks brought it to you which remained very popular in North? And I also thought that Kandaharis had 'invaded' your North after 1920 when this tradition was in North since centuries? Nonetheless, prove this nonsense of yours with evidences and also prove how in Kandahar young boys are bought, dressed as girls, made dance in public, and afterwards raped by every single 'visitor'; Which is called Bachabazi?

Here is your power and your source of pride (PATO) Punjab Atlantic Treaty Organization

ROFL! Regretting fighting Massoud!? Are you fudging kidding me!? The very same Massoud who was fed and bread by Punjabis in order to prevent Daud Khan from going on about Durrand Line!? Or the very same Massoud which escaped to mountains of Panjsher after Taliban's arrival!? Or the one who couldn't even handel one inch of Kabul? Hahahaha, what a joke! If he is dead indeed then I am sure his soul is the one regretting messing in first place!

Never ever speak of power and yoru dominance again. Because without Pakistan and coloialism you are = BIG ZERO

Don't speak of history as Pakistan was created just over 60 years ago and we Pukhtoons have been there fore centuries, and not at all speak of power because your Massoud'ak came to so-called 'power' thanks to those very same Pakistanis, and the colonisation of over forty NATO nations is the reason for Fahim's power. Know your place, or I will remind you to mister big zero.

Was it me to bring my arab lords to have massoud killed

No, you just brought USA, UK, Holland, Germany, Belgium, France, Canada, Australia, Turkey, and God knows how many others to take back your lands from Taliban. And oh, be thankful to the Punjabis because it was them who opened the way for NATO in Afghanistan.

for decades they didn't care what pashtuns were secretly doing they just cared for their country, but now they DO know whats going on!

So basically what you claim is that Pukhtoons for centuries snatched your land 'secretly' but Tajiks never realized? Pukhtoons for decades were forcing their ideologies on you 'secretly' but Tajiks never realized? Pukhtoons for decades invaded your North and raped your women 'secretly' but Tajiks never realized? And it only took USA and their money to realize how many land you lost, how many lives you lost, and how many honors a.k.a. women you lost? Seriously kid, who do you think you are fooling?

I actually personally thank you and rest of pashtuns like you who by hating and trying to pashtunize us.

LOL, me and hating on Tajiks? Hating my own grand-mothers? In this forum I am known as a 'Tajik-puppet' by some ignorants, simply because in the past quiet some lies have been flying around against Tajiks and I spoke up against them. Just like how right now you are spreading lies in favor of Tajiks, and against Pukhtoons and again I am doing what I would do otherwise; Speak up against it. Keep your generalisation and so-called 'knowledge' in your pocket, thanks.

The document of snatching fertile lands in north Qataghan by mardome hokomat e Mashreqi and Junubbi in the time of amanullah khan.

First of all, don't give me Tajik/Persian websites as a proof and second, I never denied that injustice indeed has taken place against non-Pukhtoons. Though, what bothers me with creatures like yourself is lies and exaggerations. There is nothing wrong in blaming us for our faults because even I have done that in many other threads myself for which I got critisized very strongly, but by generalising us, insulting us, defending your own evil and being a completely idiot, expect at least as fiercy response back.

And one advice, give your next reply with huge amount of thoughts. Okay?

[Michin Khel]

Shayesta and paikar please dont fight, because of these infightings afghanistan is literally in stone age.