Pashto Learners Thread: پښتو زده کړه

[spogmai shaglay]

Spogmai - make I make a few corrections? From a learner psychology point of view, it's not correct to focus on so many areas, so I apologise but whilst you make sense, the grammar needs a slight fix.

I can also see why you would have made an error in the transliteration of for لوړ example - in Urdu it might well read lor (if you accepted a generalised pronunciation ofړ asر /r/ and read و as a vowel sound /o/ as opposed to a consonant + vowel sound /wa/ as in this example.

My understanding was that most Pashtoons in India had all but lost Pashto and were mostly Hindi/Englishfied. Do you meet with other Pashto speakers or visit Swat/Peshawar etc?

i am trying to fix my grammar here Tor khan.....
and the part of لوړ when u mentioned i completely understand what u said here... i am aware of all the alphabets in pashtu and ړ as in

سړى

and not سری
but the problem that i feel lies here in when we say لوړ as Feroza Banu corrected its lwarr not lorh... the same thing as i feel tht کول is pronounced as kawal and also kol..... this also what you mentioned is absolutely correct........so there's bound to be confusion whether lwarr or lor.... and i want people here to correct me.... and people just judging me here rather than taking me as a students they just want to mark me on what i can do and what i cant.....i am sorry if i sound rude ....
and we i would say as in in india if i write سړى i would write as sadhay not sarhay cause if i write sarhay it would be سریin pashtu which is wrong ..... as in urdu when i like ladka (boy) you would write larka am i right?
so i will learn to write as people understand here....

and its a rare case that i meet pashtuns here....... so i haven't heard people talking pashtu and thats the reason why i am here otherwise i would have learned from somebody at my place and would have not joined this forum....

[spogmai shaglay]

also i try to write sentences here which are basically in simplepresent tense as i have learned only that so far....
then why are correction made in past tense i dont know
as far as i am aware the endings wa, woo, etc are all in past tense .....then why my simple present tense statements are corrected and written in past tense.. could you please explain?????

only the last sentences was future where i agree to my mistake that i have not added ba,,,,

[Son of Mountains]

for everbody and anybody.....one word Har Sok is used???
How to differentiate between anybody and everybody?

[Son of Mountains]

for "evetytime", har zal is correct or not?
and what about "anytime" ?

[tor_khan]

i am trying to fix my grammar here Tor khan.....
and the part of لوړ when u mentioned i completely understand what u said here... i am aware of all the alphabets in pashtu and ړ as in

سړى

and not سری
but the problem that i feel lies here in when we say لوړ as Feroza Banu corrected its lwarr not lorh... the same thing as i feel tht کول is pronounced as kawal and also kol..... this also what you mentioned is absolutely correct........so there's bound to be confusion whether lwarr or lor.... and i want people here to correct me.... and people just judging me here rather than taking me as a students they just want to mark me on what i can do and what i cant.....i am sorry if i sound rude ....
and we i would say as in in india if i write سړى i would write as sadhay not sarhay cause if i write sarhay it would be سریin pashtu which is wrong ..... as in urdu when i like ladka (boy) you would write larka am i right?
so i will learn to write as people understand here....

and its a rare case that i meet pashtuns here....... so i haven't heard people talking pashtu and thats the reason why i am here otherwise i would have learned from somebody at my place and would have not joined this forum....

It's confusing, but I guess it comes with seeing words in context. You'll now there are many "tricks" that we learn as readers - for example, you don't read every letter, but you see the shape of the word. In this example, I bet you CAN read the sentence:

Aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae.

It's a basic example of how we use lots of prediction in our reading and we pick up reading/writing conventions quite easily ... in the word "garage" both Gs make a different sound and in the word "hour" - the H sound is absent, the ou is /ow/ and depending on your accent the /r/ is either sounded or not as /r/ or /a/.

Surprisingly though, even in English with its odd words like "knight" and "neighbour", there are a surprising number of conventions that don't change and ultimately the rules are fairly regular (e.g. k at the beginning of a word is followed by n - kn), no words in English end with Q for example and there a silent rule with regards to gh in the middle of the word.

Back to Pashto of course! - لوړ is lwar when you see it and کول is kawal in most dialects of Pashto, though you may also hear kol.

Don't be put off by the marking Spogmai ... I respect your efforts and think they are great ... certainly you show lots of enthusiasm. I already began with an apology in my posting because in a class situation, I would not focus on so many corrections, but just work on one or two points of grammar or pronuciation. The marking example, thus, was unfortunately not the best way I would do correction.

[spogmai shaglay]

for everbody and anybody.....one word Har Sok is used???
How to differentiate between anybody and everybody?

Anybody is har yaw/har tsok....هر يو، هر څوك

everybody is also har tsok/har sarhay/har yaw....هر څوك، هر سړى، هر يو

lets wait for for our pashtu language experts to help us here...

[spogmai shaglay]

for "evetytime", har zal is correct or not?
and what about "anytime" ?

every time is har wakht...هر وخت

anytime????????????????

any one who can help us here???????????????

[spogmai shaglay]

In Kandahari Pashto its har waqt.


Za har waqth sta posts da ghwazh nesam.

I always pay attention to your posts.

and any time is also har wakht???????

[spogmai shaglay]

11) Ape (verb) ----Paikhi Kawal-----پيښې كول

12 ) Apology- ----maazrat---- معذرت

13) Appeal (verb)-----arz kawal-----عرض كول

14) Applause----shabasi ------ شاباسى

15) Appliance-----asbab/samaan/aala---- اسباب، سامان، اله

[spogmai shaglay]

16) Area ---- dagar/seema ---- ډګر ، سيمه
17) Argue (verb)-----bahas kawal ----- بحث كول
18) Argument------daleel/bahas---- دليل ، بحث
19) Arm------laas-------- لاس
20) Aroma----wagma/xha booi----- وږمه، ښه بوى

Please Correct, mistakes if any.........in English Spelling of pashtu words......

[Admin Khan]

and any time is also har wakht???????

Har kala, Har wakht.

[spogmai shaglay]

Har kala, Har wakht.

so every time and anytime both are har wakht...
similarly anyone and everyone is har tsok/har sarhay??????

[spogmai shaglay]

21) Around(adv.) ---- Pa Sima Key/Nazdey---- نژدې، په سيمه كې
22) Arrive (verb) ---- Raseedal/Ratlal------ رسېدل، راتلل
23) Awake -- Waikhidal/La Khoob Paseedal-- وېښېدل، له خوبه پاڅېدل،
24) Aware ----- Khabar/Bakhabar/pawa--- خبر، باخبره، پوه
25) Away ----- Larey------- ليرې

[pekhawar]

can you make your sentences more longer so I an actually correct you?

[Roshina]

How do you say My name is James, how are you? When we chilling?

My name is James = Zama num James dey. [Note: Only the name changes, while the rest remains the same for both males and females.]

How are you? = Sanga ye? [Same for both males and females.]

When we chilling? = Kala ba tag raatag kao? or Kala be milawegu? [Same for both males and females.]