Can Law derived from Quran unify the Pashtoon

[Baygham]

The prophet muhammad saww lived among msuhrikeen for a long time. You should study his seerah. ANd you will get your answer.

in those days he was more concillatory, boothanoo Al-Lat, Al-‘Uzzá
and Manāt, tha hum sijdoo tha thayar oo.

Once power came, had all pagans killed and removed from the whole arabia.

still dha khabari preegda,
tell me your solution.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The people of Arabia destroyed their own idols after the victory of Mecca. There was a general amnesty to everyone. No one was killed who wanted to live in peace.

[Baygham]

It is hilarious that you are preaching something that you are not even practicing yourself. It is clear that you yourself hate Ahmadis, so your own plan is going to fail miserably. If it is not the wahabis, it would be you who would be slaughtering the Ahmadis.

Hypocrite.

Why don't you first remove the robe of hatred from your heart then preach on how to unify people.

Stay away, dont get tempted. Remember what I said before:

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For you I have only one answer, each time you ask me something I will answer the same.

LOL the princess's honor is being protected by her molester.

What has the world come too, now I have to plead innocence to a servant of a late ninteenth century punjabi mullah who in turn sold for 10 shilling his entire 'Zamir' to the brits and then went out and fabricated a convoluted tale to molest what the servant now wishes to protect. LMAO.

[Bigmo]

in those days he was more concillatory, boothanoo Al-Lat, Al-‘Uzzá
and Manāt, tha hum sijdoo tha thayar oo.

Once power came, had all pagans killed and removed from the whole arabia.

still dha khabari preegda,
tell me your solution.

In those days?

Quran gives complete freedom


16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?�

17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

24.54. Say: "Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant," It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

109.1-6 Say : O ye that reject Faith,! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.

74.11-17 Leave Me with whom I created alone!, To whom I granted resources in abundance, And sons to be by his side, To whom I made (life) smooth and comfortable, Yet is he greedy-that I should add (yet more);- By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory!, Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities!

"So have We appointed for every Prophet an enemy - devils of men and Jinns; who inspire each other with seductive, deceptive speech which leads astray; but had thy Lord willed they would not have done so. So leave them with what they do devise. And let the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter listen to it; and let them be well pleased with it; and let them gain what they can gain!" 6:113-114

"And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 6:68

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing



Complete and absolute freedom unparalleled in human literature.

My next topic is going to be about war and fighting in the Quran. Not Sunni/Shia Ahmedi sectrianism. But Quranic Islam.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Pur Gham o ghazab,

You can say whatever you want, I will stand up for Islam. Who the hell do you think you are? I will stand up for Islam and defend it with everything I have. You don't stand a chance against me.

You hypocrite. You are preaching peace and this is your behaviour?

[Baygham]

Pur Gham o ghazab,

You can say whatever you want, I will stand up for Islam. Who the hell do you think you are? I will stand up for Islam and defend it with everything I have. You don't stand a chance against me.

You hypocrite. You are preaching peace and this is your behaviour?

You crack me up man, LOL, never in my wildest dreams I thought of a qadiani coupling with a ahli-hadith and a pervaizi. Man ask them in private they will roast you and your whole family the first chance they get.

I on the other hand have many qadiani freinds and do not plan to roast a single one of them. But to see you trying to defend them is just so stupid. Have some common sense man. Wasnt it just last year when they bombed a, what you call your prayer places-qadiani prayer place, you forgot the burning of ahmedi villages, the mass migration to the west. How can you forget all that, you moron. I will never kill another human being, no matter which God sanctions it and how many hoors and ghilman are promised.

[Zarawar]

Zarawar wrora, if you spent a 100 lifetimes in a seminary, you will still not be able to answer my question.

But for my own sake, before you are tempted to join the faithfull against batil give a moments thought to the situation. You dont know if you are on Haq or batil, you have a hunch, but you yourself said that you dont know, how can you be so ruthless then. In the meantime dont you think it would be better to consider every human as a human with the same right to be happy and well and not to impose on him or her your own wishes/fears/judgments and burdons.

I never said I dont know what Haq or Batil is, instead, I made it clear that the one guided from Allah SWT knows what Haq and Batil is. In that case, Islam, Sunnah, Quran, and Hadith. I never doubted my believes, in fact, I'm as confident in my faith as one can possibly get. Please don't assume things....
You didn't answer my QUESTION
you asked me a question, I told you I'm not in the position to declare Fatwa and I firmly believe in what our beloving prophet Mohammad SAW said, i.e. that there are going to be 73 sects after his departure. You asked for my views, I told you, I believe in the real Islam and I will support preaching Islam and Sunnah, preachings, that are no based on philosophy or Auguste comte, rather Islam that can be verified.
What is your approach towards the 73 sects? You believe in co-existence? " it would be better to consider every human as a human with the same right to be happy and well and not to impose on him or her your own wishes/fears/judgments and burdons" < these are your words
This doesn't solve the problem!

[Baygham]

I never said I dont know what Haq or Batil is, instead, I made it clear that the one guided from Allah SWT knows what Haq and Batil is. In that case, Islam, Sunnah, Quran, and Hadith. I never doubted my believes, in fact, I'm as confident in my faith as one can possibly get. Please don't assume things....
You didn't answer my QUESTION
you asked me a question, I told you I'm not in the position to declare Fatwa and I firmly believe in what our beloving prophet Mohammad SAW said, i.e. that there are going to be 73 sects after his departure. You asked for my views, I told you, I believe in the real Islam and I will support preaching Islam and Sunnah, preachings, that are no based on philosophy or Auguste comte, rather Islam that can be verified.
What is your approach towards the 73 sects? You believe in co-existence? " it would be better to consider every human as a human with the same right to be happy and well and not to impose on him or her your own wishes/fears/judgments and burdons" < these are your words
This doesn't solve the problem!

Zarawar wrora, since you are so confident and I am not. Can you name this sect that you belong to, are you just one person or more than one, Where is your mosque where the less fortunate who are not as sure can go for guidance.

Once you identify your self and your sect, than we will go into the questions of co-existence. As for me I am happy for you, you found the holy grail, I have been less fortunate in my quest.

[Zarawar]

Zarawar wrora, since you are so confident and I am not. Can you name this sect that you belong to, are you just one person or more than one, Where is your mosque where the less fortunate who are not as sure can go for guidance.

I don't have a specific mosque, I pray wherever I find a clean place (any mosque). My religion is not based on man made buildings, instead, on empirical evidence. I follow Islam, I follow Quran, I follow Hadith, I follow Sahih Bukhtari. The sect that I belong to is called Islam, I'm a Muslim.

Once you identify your self and your sect, than we will go into the questions of co-existence.
I already identified myself as a Muslim, not to mention my sect has nothing to do with the topic. You asked me a question I answered you, what is your approach towards the 73 sects?
As for me I am happy for you, you found the holy grail, I have been less fortunate in my quest.

You mean you are lost between which sect to choose?
It's not like a multiple choice question, why don't you follow Quran?
If you are not a believer, clearly say it, you don't have to come here and pose like your about to become a Muslim.

[Roshina]

Have you studied Arabic sufficiently in order to know what you are quoting here?

Have you, Sangar? Have you studied Arabic sufficiently in order to know ANY of what you quote all over PF?

[Baygham]

You mean you are lost between which sect to choose?
It's not like a multiple choice question, why don't you follow Quran?
If you are not a believer, clearly say it, you don't have to come here and pose like your about to become a Muslim.

zarawar wrora, oos pa khpal iiman sharmeegi,

can not state it, can you, if you say it you know you will be shred to pieces. iiman dhey doomra kamzooray dhay, dhawee kho dhee dhumra oojathee kawalee.

Zarawar wrora, since you are so confident and I am not. Can you name this sect that you belong to, are you just one person or more than one, Where is your mosque where the less fortunate who are not as sure can go for guidance. .

As for me, I was born a sunni muslim. I am still a cultural musalman. And even god and his ten thoushand prophets cannot take that away from me, let alone some mullah. Consider me one of the 73 or 1003 sects, the other 72 will call me murtad. Just the same as they will call you. I care too hoots about Janat or doozakh, I believe in my fellow human beings. I believe in mutual respect of every human and the sanctity of life and honour it above every thing else. I believe in this world and improving humanities condition here, during my lifetime and after it leaving it intact for the next generation.

[amna.]

Baygham,
In my opinion proper Islamic education can unify us Pashtuns. It will teach us to stop tribal nationalism and that we are all brothers. Islam teaches us peace and universal brotherhood/sisterhood.

[Baygham]

Baygham,
In my opinion proper Islamic education can unify us Pashtuns. It will teach us to stop tribal nationalism and that we are all brothers. Islam teaches us peace and universal brotherhood/sisterhood.

amna khore, I disagree, you see there is no such thing as proper islamic teaching. No two muslims have ever agreed on such a thing. I asked the one above which sect has the proper material or where is such material kept. Nobody knows, if you know something can you share the details with us, for I am lost.

maybe you can answer what zarawar wrore so desperately ran away from.

Zarawar wrora, since you are so confident and I am not. Can you name this sect that you belong to, are you just one person or more than one, Where is your mosque where the less fortunate who are not as sure can go for guidance. .

[amna.]

amna khore, I disagree, you see there is no such thing as proper islamic teaching. No two muslims have ever agreed on such a thing. I asked the one above which sect has the proper material or where is such material kept. Nobody knows, if you know something can you share the details with us, for I am lost.

maybe you can answer what zarawar wrore so desperately ran away from.

Baygham. I am so sorry for not even welcoming you. I noticed you are new. so please forgive me for that, welcome here to PF...

There is such thing. We should preach what the Quran tries to teach us. i.e Islamic brotherhood, unity and peace. You are a Muslim and I am a Muslim we both agree to preach peace. We agree right.

I am confused with your last part.

[Baygham]

Baygham. I am so sorry for not even welcoming you. I noticed you are new. so please forgive me for that, welcome here to PF...

There is such thing. We should preach what the Quran tries to teach us. i.e Islamic brotherhood, unity and peace. You are a Muslim and I am a Muslim we both agree to preach peace. We agree right.

I am confused with your last part.

But amna khore, that is not what Islam teaches. So you subscribe to only the Quran. This now a days is called a koranist, in pakistan a pervaizi is of somewhat similar construction. They reject Sunnah and ijthehad. In pakthun land such groups are less than 1%. the other 99% consider these peaple murtad's. How are you going to convince them. In islam a murtad is killed, how are you going to live under the same roof.