On Islam and rationality

[کیش]

Easy with the hypocrisy fellas.

A lot of females color their hair blond and put on make up (or too much). She actually works as a Mechanical engineer in Istanbul.

I posted this because i knew everyone here would attack her appearance, and discredit the truth of her presentation.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Easy with the hypocrisy fellas.

A lot of females color their hair blond and put on make up (or too much). She actually works as a Mechanical engineer in Istanbul.

I posted this because i knew everyone here would attack her appearance, and discredit the truth of her presentation.

From an islamic perspective, faking your appreance is haram. Blonde hair and lenses are haram. Dressing up like a Russian prostitute is haram.

Both men and women who speak about Islam need to respresent Islamic values in the way they dress and carry themselves.

When you study Islamic ethics and morality you are taught how to be a decent muslim.

When That Turkish pimp, Adnan Oktay (Harun Yahya) and his prostitutes don't care about Islamic morality, their message is meaningless.

Islam is not some sort of philosophy where you can talk about it without actually practising it.

She can be a rocket scientist. Nobody cares. There are enough smart and intelligent people around the world. Being smart doesn't mean your opinion matters.

[کیش]

From an islamic perspective, faking your appreance is haram. Blonde hair and lenses are haram. Dressing up like a Russian prostitute is haram.

Both men and women who speak about Islam need to respresent Islamic values in the way they dress and carry themselves.

When you study Islamic ethics and morality you are taught how to be a decent muslim.

When That Turkish pimp, Adnan Oktay (Harun Yahya) and his prostitutes don't care about Islamic morality, their message is meaningless.

Islam is not some sort of philosophy where you can talk about it without actually practising it.

She can be a rocket scientist. Nobody cares. There are enough smart and intelligent people around the world. Being smart doesn't mean your opinion matters.

Isn't it a sin to accuse chaste women of fornication? In another video, she talks about her and the other females with Adnan Oktar are chaste and clean.

We know here in the West, they are females who wear hijab and fornicate/sin just as much as the one who dresses like her.

If females do not want to wear hijab and long dresses, do we as Males, hit them with kendo sticks or force them? I don't think it is our place to do that.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Isn't it a sin to accuse chaste women of fornication? In another video, she talks about her and the other females with Adnan Oktar are chaste and clean.

We know here in the West, they are females who wear hijab and fornicate/sin just as much as the one who dresses like her.

If females do not want to wear hijab and long dresses, do we as Males, hit them with kendo sticks or force them? I don't think it is our place to do that.

being chaste in Islam is more than abstaining from illicit sexual relationships. You are also suppose to dress like a decent person, not as a prostitute.

A woman who is wearing hijab and having illicit sexual relationships is sinful. But you don't know that unless you have seen her doing it. In that case it is most likely you are as sinful because who is having sex in public in front of everyone?

So if you are not a witness and you have no proof, who are you talking about? Aren't you the one who is speaking ill about people and accusing them of formication without proof?

On the other hand, these women dress like prostitutes in front of the emote world. Everyone can see how they are being sinful. Their sins are apparent and visible. Dressing like prostitutes is not allowed in Islam. Doing so is a sin.


We judge by what is apparent. If a person does something in front of you, you can call it out.

Only dirtbags who like to stare are nasty women would listen to her. She is a disgrace for women. No self respecting woman would ever dress like that.

[ZarakDurrani606]

Sure. I have even seen Russian prostitutes at the metro station back in Moscow more than 25 years ago.

I've also seen quite a few here on the streets and in hotel lobbies here. What's your point?

Modern talib :p ............ jk lol

[کیش]

being chaste in Islam is more than abstaining from illicit sexual relationships. You are also suppose to dress like a decent person, not as a prostitute.

A woman who is wearing hijab and having illicit sexual relationships is sinful. But you don't know that unless you have seen her doing it. In that case it is most likely you are as sinful because who is having sex in public in front of everyone?

So if you are not a witness and you have no proof, who are you talking about? Aren't you the one who is speaking ill about people and accusing them of formication without proof?

On the other hand, these women dress like prostitutes in front of the emote world. Everyone can see how they are being sinful. Their sins are apparent and visible. Dressing like prostitutes is not allowed in Islam. Doing so is a sin.


We judge by what is apparent. If a person does something in front of you, you can call it out.

Only dirtbags who like to stare are nasty women would listen to her. She is a disgrace for women. No self respecting woman would ever dress like that.

You are being narrow-minded. Only Allah, Lord of the Universe, Master of the day of judgement, knows what is in his creations heart. If a male or female are mumins, Allah, the most merciful, oft-forgiver can forgive fornicators and all other sins. Glory be to Allah.

Who are you? and who made you the all-knower of humans?

[khushal]

exactly, they take for granted a-priori their existence based on cognizance. But I say ...fine, let's agree on that premise, then we can extand cognizance as central to existence itself, otheriwse we couldn't take it apriori. Hence, if consciousness is a prerequisite to know something exists, then cognizance becomes a condition for existing, and thus Consciousness causes existence. so it exists apriori. God is a consciousness that causes existence, so God exists.

Q.E.D.

I don't think they actually understand what your saying. Its like explaining calculus to someone that hasn't grasped simple arithmetic. But anyways you had previously referred Ibn Al 'Arabi's Futuh Al-Makkiyah. Do you have any good links about his work?

[ZarakDurrani606]

You are being narrow-minded. Only Allah, Lord of the Universe, Master of the day of judgement, knows what is in his creations heart. If a male or female are mumins, Allah, the most merciful, oft-forgiver can forgive fornicators and all other sins. Glory be to Allah.

Who are you? and who made you the all-knower of humans?

Qais mama, please bust a rhyme

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You are being narrow-minded. Only Allah, Lord of the Universe, Master of the day of judgement, knows what is in his creations heart. If a male or female are mumins, Allah, the most merciful, oft-forgiver can forgive fornicators and all other sins. Glory be to Allah.

Who are you? and who made you the all-knower of humans?

I don't know if she's a fornicator, I don't know if she's a drinker. But I do know she has heavy botox injections in her lips, artificial breasts, dresses in a provocative manner, adorns herself to project and attract sexual energy and thus enables that behavior. She's clearly not comfortable in her own skin. And that says something. An enlightened person and person who is aware of the truth has transcended beyond that nonsense.

Even naked people who lived in jungles all their lives are not doing such things. So it's not about her lack of covering. Ignoring the fact she's altering her body, for nothing more than apparent vanity.She may "speak" truth, but she doesn't embody it. When someone speaks truth but doesn't embody it, Common sense says, they're full of sh*t.

What God decides is what God decides, my rational assessment is what comes out of her mouth and what she lives buy are two different universes.

[khushal]

I don't know if she's a fornicator, I don't know if she's a drinker. But I do know she has heavy botox injections in her lips, artificial breasts, dresses in a provocative manner, adorns herself to project and attract sexual energy and thus enables that behavior. She's clearly not comfortable in her own skin. And that says something. An enlightened person and person who is aware of the truth has transcended beyond that nonsense.

Even naked people who lived in jungles all their lives are not doing such things. So it's not about her lack of covering. Ignoring the fact she's altering her body, for nothing more than apparent vanity.She may "speak" truth, but she doesn't embody it. When someone speaks truth but doesn't embody it, Common sense says, they're full of sh*t.

What God decides is what God decides, my rational assessment is what comes out of her mouth and what she lives buy are two different universes.

So in other word: hypocrisy

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

So in other word: hypocrisy

Well sure, but hypocrisy could be simply just a pretense of religiosity but hiding what they're really about. This is beyond that, this is like Orwellian Double-Think of the worst degree. Taking spirituality and the path to liberate oneself from the mires of the mundane and just reducing it to something mundane.

[Baserka]

Well sure, but hypocrisy could be simply just a pretense of religiosity but hiding what they're really about. This is beyond that, this is like Orwellian Double-Think of the worst degree. Taking spirituality and the path to liberate oneself from the mires of the mundane and just reducing it to something mundane.

But then you talk about pornstars and post pictures of naked women on the internet all the time. All the things you hold against these women, how does one identify those qualities in a man and what does that make him??

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

But then you talk about pornstars and post pictures of naked women on the internet all the time. All the things you hold against these women, how does one identify those qualities in a man and what does that make him??

yeah but I do that for citing examples, not promoting their work and/or endorsing their activities. Quite a difference.

[Baserka]

Hmm..
Okay, so but then how come everything you say revolves around giving negative examples?? How come you never have any examples to give about good things??

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

It doesn't, you seem to put your attention on the times when I discuss those things. Usually I bring up porno actresses when Paki Nationalists try to hock that "We're the fortress of Islam" rubbish, and I bring up an example of a Pakistani Porno actress because that's a smack in the face to all of that.