On Islam and rationality

[Damir9000]

Religion is not only about believing in God. its a complex code of morality, values and deep and complicated way to construct societies. Its basically one of the best tools for social cohesion and its something that I seriously like when I see how its something that bring many people together. Every time I attend a mehmooni or other social events, despite being agnostic, it makes me happy to realize that I have something so deep in common with my fellow countrymen.

You Western atheists (yes I consider you a White wannabe basically because you copy-paste their baseless "arguments") are so stupid that you seriously believe that comparing God with superman is a valid comparison which basically proves how simplistic and naive you guys are no matter how rational and smart you believe you are.

You can have morality, values & connections with your fellow man without God or Religion.
And you're basically saying it doesn't matter which religion a person believes which goes against the rules of the religion.


now about Western Atheists and white & super-man

You don't need to be western or white to come to these conclusions.
I have chatted with people in Saudi Arabia who have came to these same conclusions.
Yes, these comparisons to other fictional characters is sound. They are all stories in books.

Hey Why don't you believe in Vishnu ? I bet you consider it as fiction.
Even Superman serves to spread morality & values to its readers.

This bitterness towards white people is really sad.
Instead being envious, you should be thankful and move forward.

[Damir9000]

You're affirming your premise. this isn't a rational construct.

Yeah, I wasn't really making an argument.
Just reiterating a conclusion made from learning other religions, cultures & history.

But here's one:

In Islam, why do angels have wings?

[Damir9000]

But Vishnu is real?

Yes to many.

[Baserka]

Yes to many.

I am not asking the many. I am asking you, he to whom all religions are man made. Is Vishnu real?

[Damir9000]

I am not asking the many. I am asking you, he to whom all religions are man made. Is Vishnu real?

He is as real as Allah.

[Baserka]

So you don't believe in Vishnu or Allah but you will defend Vishnu and dismiss someone else's belief in Allah. Prejudices and biased opinions are also man made. Where is your displeasure for that.

[Damir9000]

So you don't believe in Vishnu or Allah but you will defend Vishnu and dismiss someone else's belief in Allah. Prejudices and biased opinions are also man made. Where is your displeasure for that.

lol

I was just trying to demonstrate how both beliefs are ridiculous.

It is so easy for Muslims to dismiss other religions, but cannot look at their own religion with the same lens.

Why would a person believe in Allah and not Vishnu?
Islam does not make more sense.
The only difference is that Islam is the least original.

Atheists are kind of like Muslims, minus Islam.
We don't believe in other people's religion & ours either.

[کیش]

why do angels have wings?

All praises due to Allah. Lord of the universe, master of the Day of Judgement.

It was reported in Sahih Bukhari that Gabriel (Peace Be Upon Him) had 600 wings.

Why do angels have wings? to cover a great amount distance. Earth compared to the observable universe is like a ring in the desert. We know that there are seven heavens, with this one being the lowest. The size of each heaven is like a ring in a desert. So if Gabriel (peace be upon him) is traveling from the Throne of Allah, the Exalted to Earth, i would believe it would take having as many wings as possible. Allah and his messenger (Peace be upon him) knows best.

[Baserka]

It is so easy for Muslims to dismiss other religions, but cannot look at their own religion with the same lens.

Just as you believe no one should believe in religion because you don't believe in religion yourself. I don't think the issue here is of you not believing in religion so much as having very much in common with whom you are holding this grudge against. And please don't insult atheists by claiming you are an atheists because atheists reach that conclusion after a thorough study of other religions and here you are, asking why Muslims don't see Vishnu through the same lens as they see Allah. It is pretty clear that you don't know the very basics of Islam and if you don't know the basics of a religion, how can you claim not to believe in it? I bet you know as much about Vishnu or any other religion you claim you don't believe in as much as you know about Islam.

[Damir9000]

All praises due to Allah. Lord of the universe, master of the Day of Judgement.

It was reported in Sahih Bukhari that Gabriel (Peace Be Upon Him) had 600 wings.

Why do angels have wings? to cover a great amount distance. Earth compared to the observable universe is like a ring in the desert. We know that there are seven heavens, with this one being the lowest. The size of each heaven is like a ring in a desert. So if Gabriel (peace be upon him) is traveling from the Throne of Allah, the Exalted to Earth, i would believe it would take having as many wings as possible. Allah and his messenger (Peace be upon him) knows best.

Thank you for the reference.

So do all those wings permit Gabriel to fly through the vacuum of Space to get to Heaven?
Is there air on Heaven aswell ?

[Damir9000]

Just as you believe no one should believe in religion because you don't believe in religion yourself. I don't think the issue here is of you not believing in religion so much as having very much in common with whom you are holding this grudge against. And please don't insult atheists by claiming you are an atheists because atheists reach that conclusion after a thorough study of other religions and here you are, asking why Muslims don't see Vishnu through the same lens as they see Allah. It is pretty clear that you don't know the very basics of Islam and if you don't know the basics of a religion, how can you claim not to believe in it? I bet you know as much about Vishnu or any other religion you claim you don't believe in as much as you know about Islam.

I do know Islam.
I also did study Hinduism and Christianity too.
I also chatted with many former Hindus & Christians.
One does not make any more sense than the other.

No, I never said you shouldn't believe in religion.
I just said they are man made.

But believing in Islam is irrational.

You are welcome to believe in non-sense.
Just don't hurt anybody else.

[ZarakDurrani606]

I do know Islam.
I also did study Hinduism and Christianity too.
I also chatted with many former Hindus & Christians.
One does not make any more sense than the other.

No, I never said you shouldn't believe in religion.
I just said they are man made.

But believing in Islam is irrational.

You are welcome to believe in non-sense.
Just don't hurt anybody else.

Are you asking for a ban, dude?

[Damir9000]

are you asking for a ban, dude?

lol
Ban for what ?

[کیش]

Thank you for the reference.

So do all those wings permit Gabriel to fly through the vacuum of Space to get to Heaven?
Is there air on Heaven aswell ?

Allah, the Exalted, the wise and his Messenger (Peace be upon him)knows best.

That is a great question. Is there air in heaven? On the occurance of Mi'raj, when the Rasul-Allah (peace be upon him) traveled with Gabriel (Peace be upon him) to the multiverses he met with other great Prophets (AS) on the way. Granted all but the Messiah (Peace be upon him) are dead, so the laws of nature can be bent or modified if Allah the Supreme wills.

[Damir9000]

Allah, the Exalted, the wise and his Messenger (Peace be upon him)knows best.

That is a great question. Is there air in heaven? On the occurance of Mi'raj, when the Rasul-Allah (peace be upon him) traveled with Gabriel (Peace be upon him) to the multiverses he met with other great Prophets (AS) on the way. Granted all but the Messiah (Peace be upon him) are dead, so the laws of nature can be bent or modified if Allah the Supreme wills.

So what are the purpose of wings?

The Buraq & the Angels have wings.

btw, کیش, have you become more religious since last year ?