On Islam and rationality

[Baserka]

I think you are educated enough to know that a Pakistani pornstar is not the responsibility of every Pakistani out there. You do that because you are too lazy to steer that argument a different way and dispute it on fair grounds. That is a very cheap trick and a nasty fault.

You don't mention pornstars because that's the only example you can give at given times, you do it because you get a thrill out of playing cheap tricks. People of good character don't do things like that.

I am not convinced..

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

And I'm also educated to know when someone is pulling a classic "bait and switch". Sorry but, I'm not biting this time. Good Luck.

[Baserka]

Sigh.. nothing to live for anymore..

[Elite Pakhtun]

And I'm also educated to know when someone is pulling a classic "bait and switch". Sorry but, I'm not biting this time. Good Luck.

How is it bait and switch?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

How is it bait and switch?

read the first reply he made and then follow the replies there after,

[کیش]

Mahmoud,

When exactly did homo erectus evolve to humans? Was Adam (to whom be peace) birthed?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Mahmoud,

When exactly did homo erectus evolve to humans? Was Adam (to whom be peace) birthed?

When exactly was Muhammad(saw) born? the exact date and time, if we don't know this, was he really born?

Adam(as) as the first human being was birthed, Adam(as) as the spiritual archetype was made in heaven.

[Elite Pakhtun]

read the first reply he made and then follow the replies there after,

Doesn't seem like much of a switch. Although the first one was about porno stars, that and the other responses were all with the same theme of why you don't talk "about good things".

[کیش]

Adam(as) as the first human being was birthed, Adam(as) as the spiritual archetype was made in heaven.

So you're saying Adam (to whom be peace) was birthed by parents (homo erectus) and grew from a baby to an adult. Eve comes from?

The garden of Eden where Adam and eve (peace and blessing to them) supposedly lived and where deceived by Ibliss, are you hinting it is allegorical? How about when Allah, Lord of the Universe commanded the angels and Ibliss to prostrate to Adam (to whom be peace)? Please elaborate.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Doesn't seem like much of a switch. Although the first one was about porno stars, that and the other responses were all with the same theme of why you don't talk "about good things".

I gather you see me as an adversary here. So I'm not going to break it down for you.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

So you're saying Adam (to whom be peace) was birthed by parents (homo erectus) and grew from a baby to an adult. Eve comes from?

The garden of Eden where Adam and eve (peace and blessing to them) supposedly lived and where deceived by Ibliss, are you hinting it is allegorical? How about when Allah, Lord of the Universe commanded the angels and Ibliss to prostrate to Adam (to whom be peace)? Please elaborate.

Eve, was born to parents too. Her archetype in heaven.

Allegorical, maybe not, but the event describes something that happened in some spiritual state. How else do you think Adam and Eve "landed" on Earth?

[کیش]

Eve, was born to parents too. Her archetype in heaven.

Allegorical, maybe not, but the event describes something that happened in some spiritual state. How else do you think Adam and Eve "landed" on Earth?

But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time. (2:36)

The same way people will go to Heaven or Hell in the Day of Judgement. Adam and eve (peace and blessing to the both) went from heaven to Earth.

Do you think Humans will evolve to their forms in Heaven or Hell?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time. (2:36)

The same way people will go to Heaven or Hell in the Day of Judgement. Adam and eve (peace and blessing to the both) went from heaven to Earth.

Do you think Humans will evolve to their forms in Heaven or Hell?

Yes, so their spiritual archetype went from Heaven to Earth, makes sense.

Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms, So perhaps not?

[کیش]

Yes, so their spiritual archetype went from Heaven to Earth, makes sense.

Heaven and Hell are spiritual realms, So perhaps not?

When you say spiritual you're not referring to physical? I'm just asking questions.

Adam and Eve (peace to the both) were the first creations with free will.

So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him. (15:29)

How would free will be evolved, if Adam and Eve (peace and blessings) were birthed by humanoid parents?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

When you say spiritual you're not referring to physical? I'm just asking questions.

Adam and Eve (peace to the both) were the first creations with free will.

So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him. (15:29)

How would free will be evolved, if Adam and Eve (peace and blessings) were birthed by humanoid parents?

Well they didn't will themselves into existence right?