On Islam and rationality

[Firdousi]

That's what I was getting at, although as far as Brexit is concerned there are speculations that the decision might be overturned with another referendum. Plus both Brexit and Trump weren't cases of significant majority vs small minority.



Why does the right-wing have a special privilege to deny rights to the aforementioned groups? The same right wing fascists in our countries refuse to condemn the killings of minority groups for their own personal benefit. Again, if the majority wanted Muslims out in a European country, would you support that decision? Would you say that's a legitimate thing to do?



I personally don't think organisations like Pegida or EDL are in the business of targeting specific Muslims that 'bitch and moan' about Britain. Also, implying that anyone who bitches and moans about their country is a fascist and therefore must be prosecuted. It almost sounds like authoritarianism to me.



I was asking what you meant. You said liberalism has failed, and I guess you mean social liberalism. I don't think it's failed. I think the world is slowly becoming more and more fascist.

There won't be another referendum. Brits have taken the path of a hard Brexit. Trump has also changed his hardcore isolationist stances.. still the Western world as we know, which rely too much on an ever waking American empire, got his days numbered. Nothing is good forever and this current system is taking his last steps.

Right wing? I didn't say anything about them. You shouldn't bring them up here. Your argument is pointless and makes no sense: Pegida wouldnt ask me to leave. They would force me to leave. Either I support it or not it doesn't matter. As a Muslim I wouldnt like it pretty obvious.

I dint say Pegida targets Muslims because we are ungrateful people. I believe many Westerners have huge anxiety when it comes to what represents and what means being a German. There are too many immigrants in Europe so that means people fell kinda "invaded". Merkel´s stupid refugee policy was completely wrong.

I didn't say Liberalism has failed. I said liberalism creates weak people and leads to confused societies/cultures. I realize that the modern world was created by the liberal order and to some degree I even support it. But I can't support social liberalism. Loose women, gay parades, minority groups with privileges, drunk alcoholized youth, effeminate men,.. come on, dude.. how do you expect me to support that?

[Kakar-Wardak]

No amount of rationality will ever give you observable proof, to belive in An unseen Allah requires faith, but you can use rationality to make the leap of faith smaller.

For example a rational mind can easily come to the conclusion that a man can not be God.

[Porus]

There won't be another referendum. Brits have taken the path of a hard Brexit. Trump has also changed his hardcore isolationist stances.. still the Western world as we know, which rely too much on an ever waking American empire, got his days numbered. Nothing is good forever and this current system is taking his last steps.

Right wing? I didn't say anything about them. You shouldn't bring them up here. Your argument is pointless and makes no sense: Pegida wouldnt ask me to leave. They would force me to leave. Either I support it or not it doesn't matter. As a Muslim I wouldnt like it pretty obvious.

Just saying your isolationist stance is shared by the likes of right-wing fascists who'd want you to leave based on your faith. If you can't see that then oh well

I dint say Pegida targets Muslims because we are ungrateful people. I believe many Westerners have huge anxiety when it comes to what represents and what means being a German. There are too many immigrants in Europe so that means people fell kinda "invaded". Merkel´s stupid refugee policy was completely wrong.

I didn't say Liberalism has failed. I said liberalism creates weak people and leads to confused societies/cultures. I realize that the modern world was created by the liberal order and to some degree I even support it. But I can't support social liberalism. Loose women, gay parades, minority groups with privileges, drunk alcoholized youth, effeminate men,.. come on, dude.. how do you expect me to support that?

Sounds like you're authoritarian. How do gays and loose women create 'weak' cultures? Please make the connection haha. Sounds like you're just a bigot

[Porus]

No amount of rationality will ever give you observable proof, to belive in An unseen Allah requires faith, but you can use rationality to make the leap of faith smaller.

For example a rational mind can easily come to the conclusion that a man can not be God.

Rational mind will always lead you to atheism. Period. There isn't a single argument which proves God so why bother?

[Akbar]

Rational mind will always lead you to atheism. Period. There isn't a single argument which proves God so why bother?

you must be a scientist. LoL

[Porus]

you must be a scientist. LoL

Nope, just a rational guy. Why's that funny anyway

[Akbar]

Nope, just a rational guy. Why's that funny anyway

you dont sound rational, you sound more like delusional.
how can you be rational and closed minded?
let alone not believing in your creator.

[Firdousi]

Just saying your isolationist stance is shared by the likes of right-wing fascists who'd want you to leave based on your faith. If you can't see that then oh well



Sounds like you're authoritarian. How do gays and loose women create 'weak' cultures? Please make the connection haha. Sounds like you're just a bigot

You come up once again with that "right.wing fascist" mumbo jumbo. Left wing commies are isolationist too. Why you don't bring them up here? Basically because you have been brainwashed: whoever disagrees with liberalism is a fascist.

Once again you are twisting my words. Your reading comprehension is weak. I didn't not say gays create weak societies. I said social liberalism creates weak societies.

How old are you, bruv?

[Porus]

you dont sound rational, you sound more like delusional.
how can you be rational and closed minded?
let alone not believing in your creator.

What creator? He didn't create me. I came from my parents.. were you created?

[Akbar]

What creator? He didn't create me. I came from my parents.. were you created?

yes
would you deny the existsnce of your mother?

[Porus]

You come up once again with that "right.wing fascist" mumbo jumbo. Left wing commies are isolationist too. Why you don't bring them up here? Basically because you have been brainwashed: whoever disagrees with liberalism is a fascist.

You're sat here talking about how minorities shouldn't have the same privileges as the majority and just suck it up. By privileges I meant basic human rights btw, if you didn't understand. If you tell me a majority decision (no matter how brutal it is) can overrule the welfare of a minority, then yes that sounds fascist to me man.

Once again you are twisting my words. Your reading comprehension is weak. I didn't not say gays create weak societies. I said social liberalism creates weak societies.

How old are you, bruv?

You said liberalism leads to gays, loose women and drunk youth. You then said 'how could I support that bro'. Come on. Don't accuse me of twisting anything

I'm 500 years old

[Porus]

yes
would you deny the existsnce of your mother?

No because I've seen her

[Akbar]

No because I've seen her

can you see your own brain?
how do you know it exists?

[Porus]

can you see your own brain?
how do you know it exists?

Wow. Do you know what 'brain-scan' is? LOL

[Akbar]

Wow. Do you know what 'brain-scan' is? LOL

thats exactly what we need to perform on you to see if you actually have a brain or its all straw.
so you need to see De Creator to believe in Him?
why?
Have you ever read the Qur'an?