Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[inqilab]

Inqilab, you are firing everywhere without aim, like a headless chicken. Stick to one thing, resolve that and then move on to the next.

I don't even think you know what you are copying and pasting.

Start with this:

Are you sure tawaffa means what you have just stated? Would you like to reconsider that?

I already know what your going to say. But this will be fun to play along...

"Why? what do you think 'tawaffa' means?"

[Mujib]

Among the Arabs of the Prophet's (Allah bless him and give him peace) time were hypocrites, polytheists, and many enemies of Islam and Muslims. Allah Most High says:

Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (16:125)

[شمله ور خراساني]

Among the Arabs of the Prophet's (Allah bless him and give him peace) time were hypocrites, polytheists, and many enemies of Islam and Muslims. Allah Most High says:

Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (16:125)

Well, whats stopping you? Invite and preach. Or are your hands tied to copying and pasting from Sufipath in order to attack other sects?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I already know what your going to say. But this will be fun to play along...

"Why? what do you think 'tawaffa' means?"

When Allah is fa'il and a human being is maf'ul bihi this can only and only mean death.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes, dearest brother, I have read practically everything on this topic. However, one question has to be answered: if Hadhrat Isa (as) is declared passed away in the Holy Quran, then who is to return?

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Yes, dearest brother, I have read practically everything on this topic. However, one question has to be answered: if Hadhrat Isa (as) is declared passed away in the Holy Quran, then who is to return?

Momin can you show me where it says he is passed away please?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Verses with brief description.

First, it mentions that prophets have passed away before our beloved Prophet (saw). It does not give an exception. [3:144]

Secondly, Allah says that He will give Hadhrat Isa (as) death, before he raises Hadhrat Isa (as) to Himself. [3:55]

Thirdly, Allah mentions that Hadhrat Isa (as) will not know that the Christians started worshiping him until it is the Day of Judgment, because Allah had given him death before this news could have reached him. [5:117]

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

And what are the arguments of those who say he is alive?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

They only look at [4:157] where it is mention that no one killed him when they attempted to, because Allah raised Hadhrat Isa (as) to Himself. They fail to realize that the Quran is not just one verse. They have to make a logical conclusion reading the whole of the Quran.

[Zarawar]

And what are the arguments of those who say he is alive?

that we have a message for those who think he IS alive:

you know that your wrong, if not Quran and Hadith is the proof that sects like YOURs will emerge at one point.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

How do you reach that logical conclusion?

If we just focus on these three verses I have presented then it should be enough, however, there many many many more.

First off, Allah says that prophets have passed away before Hadhrat Muhammad (saw), and no exception is given. The same is said about Hadhrat Isa (as) that all prophets have passed away before him and no except is given [5:75]. Which means that Hadhrat Isa (as) is passed away. If we say that Hadhrat Isa (as) is not passed away, then who is alive before Hadhrat Isa (as) for the exact same wording is used for him as well.

Secondly, Allah says that he will give death (tawaffa) before He raises him to Himself (rafa'). So, how could Hadhrat Isa (as) ever come back? Death happened before he was raised?

Thirdly, if Hadhrat Isa (as) was to come back, how could he tell Allah Ta'ala that he did not know what the Christians had done after Allah had given him death? If he (as) was to return, then how is it possible for him to say that he did not know, when one of his duties is to break the cross?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sorry, brother, I never saw the question.

Well, if Hadhrat Isa (as) is passed away then someone else would have to be appointed. That person cannot bring a Law that abrogates the Law of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is Khatamun Nabiyyeen, his Law can never be abograted.

[Saif ul Haq]

When Allah is fa'il and a human being is maf'ul bihi this can only and only mean death.

That's not true at all, Kun FayaKun Faa'il wal Maaf'ool fi isma no denotion to death.

How much knowledge of the Arabic language do you possess? I would suggestion you to illustrate another apotheosis.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

MeemWawMeeNoon have you seen the Zakir Naik video about Ahmadis what do you think?

He's got their beliefs all wrong. I have delved into the issue really deeply and Zakir Naik is not speaking from research. I can say that with confidence. He has simply jumped on the ban wagon.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

That's not true at all, Kun FayaKun Faa'il wal Maaf'ool fi isma no denotion to death.

How much knowledge of the Arabic language do you possess? I would suggestion you to illustrate another apotheosis.

What are you talking about brother, what does kun fayakun have to do with our topic?