Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[JAMALUDEEN]

Now i know why Islam can not progress... it is because of bunch of lunatics who preach hatered and intolerance, rather than preaching Peace and Love , the real aim of Islam.

Every insulting post, personal attacks, name callings, and negative comments about someone's family needs to be reported. this is the responsibility of every forum member to do so!

What makes you think Islam is not progressing right now? And What about all the people in this forum who bash Islam and Muslims. I have seen it on many occasions and i am not going to report a moderator's post.

[شمله ور خراساني]

from the statements of the Qadiani, it is clear that he is a kaafir. He has revealed his kufr repititively. So I don't know why all the drama queens are weeping over him?

If you see a donkey, you are not going to call it a horse or a stallion in order to be polite. So why should we call a kaafir a Muslim?

[JAMALUDEEN]

from the statements of the Qadiani, it is clear that he is a kaafir. He has revealed his kufr repititively. So I don't know why all the drama queens are weeping over him?

If you see a donkey, you are not going to call it a horse or a stallion in order to be polite. So why should we call a kaafir a Muslim?

Most of his supporters are Darwinists. LOL Good for them if they are not going to benefit from it.

[Feroza_Banu]

What makes you think Islam is not progressing right now? And What about all the people in this forum who bash Islam and Muslims. I have seen it on many occasions and i am not going to report a moderator's post.

Islam progresses where it is preached with a message of love, peace and tolerance. Islam is progressing in the WEST. in the EAST muslims are not progressing, neither is Islam, they are too busy labeling and killing each other.


and why can't u report a such posts... u should be able to report a moderator's post too.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Islam progresses where it is preached with a message of love, peace and tolerance. Islam is progressing in the WEST. in the EAST muslims are not progressing, neither is Islam, they are too busy labeling and killing each other.


and why can't u report a such posts... u should be able to report a moderator's post too.

I don't see a point in reporting because i won't be here in a week.

Do you believe Qadiyanis are Muslims?

[Dreamer]

Their leader (mirza what ever) insulted the holy prophets.... do i see any tears for the rasools of God??????

[Dreamer]

people are acting as if kaffir is a derogatory word... its not God himself uses it many times
anyone who is a non muslim is a kaffir /...
ahmedies are non muslim
do the math

[inqilab]

Inqilab you should not be judging or talking about people. It's you who insult people and call anyone kaffir who disagrees with you. Before you label others look at yourself and a little advice don't insult people.

thanks.

I will do what i want. Keep your insincere posts to yourself.

You are very welcome

[inqilab]

How did pashtuns become such pussy cats on a forum? Lets repeat this phrase over and over again:

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

[Dreamer]

wrora kaffir khu dai khu spay ta ma waya wale che bada khabara dah

[inqilab]

Islam progresses where it is preached with a message of love, peace and tolerance. Islam is progressing in the WEST. in the EAST muslims are not progressing, neither is Islam, they are too busy labeling and killing each other.

What a incoherent statement. Muslims in the west are finished. There is no islamic identity left in the west. They have watered down islam to the point all of its bright colors have faded.

That is the result of "love peace and tolerance" nonsense they preach to the kuffar. Simply to be accepted by them. Islam is not love peace and tolerance. It is tawheed, sunna and justice. We do not tolerate people who attack us or try to spread their inferior ideas.

Only way people will be accepted if they live UNDER islamic law.

[inqilab]

Anyways back to my thread :D

[inqilab]

Problem for Qadianis - is the Quran lying or Mirza Ahmad Qadiani?


1. Qadianis believe that Jesus (pbuh) did not die on the cross and was unconscious when he was brought down from it. They say he was nursed back to health and then traveled to Kashmir, lived there till the age of 120 and then died there.

2. According to Ghulam Ahmad, Paul was the one who introduced the concept of Trinity and Divinity in “Christianity” after the death of Jesus (pbuh).

3. Paul died somewhere around 64-67 AD. The dates vary from source to source but they lie within this range i.e. they do not exceed 67 AD. Nevertheless this is about a maximum of 35-40 years (lets be generous) after the incident of “crucifixion”.



The Problem for Qadianis

If Paul died, lets say, 40 years after the incident of crucifixion, then Jesus (pbuh), according to Ghulam Ahmad’s given information, had to be alive at that point in time. Therefore:

How could Paul introduce “trinity” and “divinity” AFTER the death of Jesus? Jesus was NOT above 80 (or 90 depending on when Paul started preaching) years old when the incident of crucifixion took place. Therefore either Ghulam Ahmad is lying that Paul introduced these claims OR he is lying that Jesus lived till 120 years. Whichever way, it proves Ghulam Ahmad knew nothing and just made up stories.

Pick up a qadiani translation of the Quran and read Surah Maida (5), Verse 117-118. I will use the translation that is available from their official website:

“And when Allah will say, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’ he will answer, ‘Holy art THOU, I could never say that which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is Thou alone Who art the Knower of all hidden things;

‘I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me – Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou, hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things;

Note: Because the qadianis add “bismillah” as verse no. 1 in the Quran therefore it is 5:117-118, otherwise it would be 5:116-117

This verse, as confirmed by Ghulam Ahmad, states that the people went astray AFTER the death of Jesus.


Therefore:

a) If Jesus was alive till 120 AD, and the corruption was already brought in by Paul before 67 AD (max), then is Ghulam Ahmad saying that the Quran lies when it refers to corruption being spread AFTER the death of Jesus?

b) On the other hand, as Ghulam Ahmad states that Jesus died in 120 AD and on the other hand also states that the Quran is correct as well in stating that it was after the death of Jesus that the corruption spread, therefore should we then believe that Ghulam Ahmad was LYING when he said Paul brought in the corruption???

Can anyone not see? Ghulam Ahmad is fighting a losing battle. His claims are CONTRADICTORY.

If a person chooses to follow the claim that Jesus died in 120 AD and Paul introduced “trinity” and “divinity” THEN the person has to believe that the Quran is LYING.

NEVER WOULD A MUSLIM EVER BELIEVE THAT

If a person chooses to follow the claim that Jesus died in 120 AD and the Quran is also correct to imply that corruption was brought in after the death of Jesus, THEN the person HAS to believe that Ghulam Ahmad was a liar.

So my question to Qadianis, what do you believe in? Is Quran lying or Ghulam Ahmad?

Please answer.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Inqilab, you are firing everywhere without aim, like a headless chicken. Stick to one thing, resolve that and then move on to the next.

I don't even think you know what you are copying and pasting.

Start with this:

First of all this is not even the ayah from 5:117. This is the actual ayah:

مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلَّا مَا أَمَرْتَنِي بِهِ أَنِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ ۚ وَكُنتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا مَّا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ ۖ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِي كُنتَ أَنتَ الرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَأَنتَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ

I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.

Are you sure tawaffa means what you have just stated? Would you like to reconsider that?

[JAMALUDEEN]

what a incoherent statement. Muslims in the west are finished. There is no islamic identity left in the west. They have watered down islam to the point all of its bright colors have faded.

That is the result of "love peace and tolerance" nonsense they preach to the kuffar. Simply to be accepted by them. Islam is not love peace and tolerance. It is tawheed, sunna and justice. We do not tolerate people who attack us or try to spread their inferior ideas.

Only way people will be accepted if they live under islamic law.

wow