Anti-Ahmadiyyah Thread

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Take your time my dear sister.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

By the way, if the donkey is here, what does it make you think about the Dajjal, dear sister?

[spogmai shaglay]

By the way, if the donkey is here, what does it make you think about the Dajjal, dear sister?

i didnt say that i was convinced that the donkey is here......

also the video says that Dajjal need not be an individual, could be a country or group of people...

and when dajjal will make its appearnce there will be no need forsomebody to give such detailed explanations abt him.....

video also says that Hazrat Isa is dead...and will make appearance spiritually.....

as per the Quran its only Hazrat Isa who is not dead yet.... as he had wished to be an Ummati of Hazrat Mohommad and he willmake an appearnce in person.......

tell me one more thing please....did Ghulam Mirza claimed to be Mehdi?????

[akbarkhan]

The following quotes comes from the writings of the founder of Qadiyaniat which Muslims address them as Qadiyanis or Mirzais because his full name was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Baig Qadiyani. All references are from his Urdu writings; some of the quotes were taken from Qadiyani magazines or newspapers published after the death of Mirza.

* "I saw in my dream that I am Allah and I believed, no doubt I am
the one who created the heaven." Aina-e-Kamalat, p.564.

* "I have been given the attribute of destruction and giving life;
this has been given to me from Allah." Khutba Ilhamiyah #6.

* " Every one can rise to the highest status, he can even surpass the
status of Muhammad(S), the Messenger of Allah." Al-Fadl Qadiyan, 17th
July 1922.

* "Hadrat Muhammad(S) used to eat cheese made by the Christians even
though it was well known that lard (pig fat) was mixed in it." Al-
Fadl Qadiyan, 22nd February, 1924.

* "It is evident like daylight that the door of prophethood is open
after that Hadrat (Muhammad(S))." Haqiqat an-Nubuwwah, p.329.

* "I swear by that God who owns my life that He has sent me, He named
me a prophet and He called me the Promised Messiah." Closing of
Haqiqat Al-Wahy, p. 68.

* "Allah Ta'ala gave names, Muhammad and Ahmad and established me as
the persona of Muhammad." Ek Ghalati ka Izalah, p.10.

* "True God is the One Who sent His messenger in Qadiyan." Dafeh Al-
Bala', p.11.

* "So, is there any doubt that Hadrat Promised Messiah is a prophet
according to the Quranic meaning as well as literal meaning." Haqiqat
An-Nubuwah, p.116.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Momin I have a few questions wrora

Yes, sister, go ahead.

[malalay]

Momin you didnt answer what i had posted..plz refer back and tell us what you think about it..
Thankyou

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

And what do u think about this Momin Brother?

(1)
Tawaffa: To Cause To Die, To Take in One's Sleep,
or To Take Back

The word tawaffa used in Surah Al 'Imran 3 and translated as "taking back" here and "causing to die" in some Qur'an translations, has various connotations. Examining the Arabic verses clearly reveals that these connotations of the word should be considered while applying it to Jesus' situation. The Qur'an describes his being taken back to God in the words that Jesus will say on the Day of Judgment:

[Jesus said], "I said to them nothing but what You ordered me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness against them as long as I remained among them, but when You took me back to You [tawaffa], You were the One watching over them. You are the Witness of all things." (Surat al-Ma'ida, 5:117)

In Arabic the word that is translated in some translations of this verse as "You have caused me to die" is tawaffa and comes from the root wafa - to fulfil. Tawaffa does not actually mean "death" but the act of "taking the self back" either in sleep, in death or as in the case of Jesus being taken back into the presence of God. From the Qur'an again, we understand that "taking the self back" does not necessarily mean death. For instance, it can mean "taking back the self while one is asleep," as indicated in the following verse:

It is He Who takes you back to Himself [yatawaffaakum] at night, while knowing the things you perpetrate by day, and then wakes you up again, so that a specified term may be fulfilled. (Surat al-An'am, 6:60)

The word used for "take back" in this verse is the same as the one used in Surah Al 'Imran 55. In other words, in the verse above, the word tawaffa is used and it is obvious that one does not die in one's sleep. Therefore, what is meant here is, again, "taking the self back." In the following verse, the same word is used like this:

God takes back people's selves [yatawaffaa] when their death [mawtihaa] arrives and those who have not yet died, while they are asleep [lam tamut]. He keeps hold of those whose death [mawt] has been decreed and sends the others back for a specified term. (Surat Az-Zumar, 39:42)

As this verse clarifies, God takes back the self of the one who is asleep, yet He sends back the selves of those whose deaths have yet not been decreed. In this context, in one's sleep one does not die, in the sense in which we perceive death. Only for a temporary period, the self leaves the body and remains in another dimension. When we wake up, the self returns to the body.1

Imam al-Qurtubi makes clear that there are three meanings to the term wafat which is from the same root as tawaffa:the wafat of death, the wafat of sleep, and last, the wafat of being raised up to God, as in the case of Jesus.

As per your post, it is clear that Hadhrat Isa (as) will never come back. It is no where in the Quran mentioned that he will come back, ever.

If you are not going to take the meaning to mean 'death' and are going to take the meaning to "be taken up" then you still have to admit that it is death. The reason being is that we are all taken back to Allah when we are dead, we return to him.

Now, if you are going to say that it means only to be taken up to be taken down later, then why did Allah use "rafa'" for him in 3:55 and 4:158? Is it not redundant? Also, if he is going to mention that he was taken up and not mention that he was taken down, it would be very confusing for us to know in which context to use "tawaffa." Because he only mentions going to up, as per your translation, then he is going to stay there. If he is going to stay there then he is dead.

Either way, Allah still has to appoint another Messiah.

[spogmai shaglay]

Momin u didnt answer my question....

Momin. Hazrat Isa is not dead.... he is going to come back in person....and he is the one who will point out Mehdi ....and Hazrat Mehdi will never by himself let people know that he is Hazrat Mehdi....

and also Dajjal cannot be a group ofpeople as mentioned in your posted videos....he will be a young man with curly hair and a bulging eye.....

[Roshina]

^ They have used Quranic verses to show that Isa (as) isn't coming back. Their argument is that the Quran never says he's coming back; hadiths say it, but those hadith reports are contradicted by the Quranic verses they cite.

What you guys (those who're questioning Ahmadi beliefs) should do in return is get those Quranic verses that literally say that Isa will come back.

And go from there.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This is the best approach.

The point to keep in mind is that Ahmadiyyat does not go outside of the Quran. It stays within the limits of Quran.

So, for someone to say that Hadhrat Isa, Ibn Mariam, of Nazareth, Palestine (as), is going to come back, then you would have to show from the Quran that he is alive.

Once, that is established then the rest will fall like dominoes.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Alhamdulillah, dearest sister, how are things with you.

The Quran does not say that he will come back, for the Quran has clearly declared him passed away.

[Dukhtar-e-Kabul]

Momin jaan,

I was told he will be coming back and he will be sid by side wit Mohammed is this true?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You mean that he will be buried side by side?

[Roshina]

Thread locked because it needs to be cleaned!

For god's sake, folks, grow up!!! You don't bring up people's families into discussions! And, Dreamer ... seriously?! Someone told us you're a doctor. Can't be possible with the way you carry yourself! Have some respect for yourself, will you.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear Dukhtar-e Kabul,

are you referring to the place of burial?