Slavery intrinsic to Arab Culture?

[khushal]

Arabs too hd those laws of "malmastia" , nanawata, namos, tura, nang and ghairat, in fact the WORDS Namos and Ghairat are ARAB words which implies an Arab influence on those concepts. There is nothing that logically precludes the other.

The arabs of today dont know what ghyrat is. they have changed maybe it was becasue of the slave trade. maybe something else.

[khushal]

Pashtuns had empires too!!!!! Goodness grief; you're just batting zero tonight.

then where is the evidence that this empire was involved in the slave trade, I mean surely there must have been some record of it, there is record of trades of goods and services with the ottomans and other societies. There are records of the arab slave trade and the european slave trade.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Then why dont you go and try to enforce the constitution on the tribes. It can not be done because they dont recognize it. everytime I pass the durand line border, I have never used a visa or any document. no one recognizes it.

your a confused individual who know nothing about pashtuns

Only if you try enforcing the constitution on the Militias; in other words, the argument is a red herring. since it doesn't change that pashtuns are settled people and thus do not fit the hunter gatherer mold.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

then where is the evidence that this empire was involved in the slave trade, I mean surely there must have been some record of it, there is record of trades of goods and services with the ottomans and other societies. There are records of the arab slave trade and the european slave trade.

Already shown, Amir Abdur Rahman Khan and Amanullah Khan's banning of the practice. Also look in the Lineages of the Barakzai families; they confirm having concubines, that would surely verify the practice. Surely possessing of concubines would verify slavery exchanges.

[khushal]

Please examine the evidence contained within this thread from Pashtun references themselves.


Your premise is neither confirmed and merely affirming itself; which is not evidence of anything Raymond

Its not a reference, its a commentary

[khushal]

Already shown, Amir Abdur Rahman Khan.

he never mentions it.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Its not a reference, its a commentary

No it's an explanation bythe King of Afghanistan. Please stop being intellectually dishonest

[RevolutionThroughReason]

he never mentions it.

he does, the annotation is his.

[khushal]

Only if you try enforcing the constitution on the Militias; in other words, the argument is a red herring. since it doesn't change that pashtuns are settled people and thus do not fit the hunter gatherer mold.

My village is not a militia but it does not recognize the constitution. it solves disputes by using pashtunwali. thousands of villages do the same thing .

[RevolutionThroughReason]

The arabs of today dont know what ghyrat is. they have changed maybe it was becasue of the slave trade. maybe something else.

"Arabs of today"; Arabs had slave even when the word Ghairat was evoked.

The fact remains these concepts existed concurrently with slavery. Again you're merely levying a narrative/hypothesis not evidence.

[khushal]

he does, the annotation is his.

thats you opinion. Its a commentary by some racist translator or publisher

[khushal]

"Arabs of today"; Arabs had slave even when the word Ghairat was evoked.

The fact remains these concepts existed concurrently with slavery. Again you're merely levying a narrative/hypothesis not evidence.

we dont know that, it could have evolved during the practice. I said it could have been something else. I cant argue this point since I have not researched or read enough to comment.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

My village is not a militia but it does not recognize the constitution. it solves disputes by using pashtunwali. thousands of villages do the same thing .

I meant militias in America; many Americans also do not accept the "constitution" they still are under the national boundaries and identify as americans. much like Pashtuns of Afghanitan identify as Afghans. The fact any form of Government exists at all amongst Pashtuns, regardless of whether they accept it, debunks the theory of a Pashtuns being like hunter gatherers.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

we dont know that, it could have evolved during the practice. I said it could have been something else. I cant argue this point since I have not researched or read enough to comment.

We do since Ghairat is a word that existed when they practiced slavery. And that was even WHILE Muhammad(saw) existed. Ghairat in Arabic meant dignity based on moral chastity. Sounds more or less the same as Pashtuns.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

thats you opinion. Its a commentary by some racist translator or publisher

where's the proof that it was anyone else but him or that the translator wrote it?

You're merely speculating your own narrative once again. You've given no reason to conclude anyone else but Abdur Rahman wrote it.