Al Hanif's Shoutbox

[tor_khan]

The rich arabs from EAU and Qatar who fund Al Qaeda and other 'terrorist' organisations are not Saudi Rulers, they are doing it illegally. They are doing it from occult bank accounts.

Not sure what you meant by Occult.

But, I'm more interested in the bank accounts you mentioned. If these bank accounts are non-Saudi based banks, what is the chance that they are NOT really Shariah compliant?

I have no proofs to suggest that that is what these guys are doing, but I do know that banking remains a hot topic amongst Muslims. If there was a remote possibility that your money was indexed to some kind of interest payments, could you use that 'non-halal' money to fund a war in the name of Islam?

[Al Hanif]

Not sure what you meant by Occult.

But, I'm more interested in the bank accounts you mentioned. If these bank accounts are non-Saudi based banks, what is the chance that they are NOT really Shariah compliant?

I have no proofs to suggest that that is what these guys are doing, but I do know that banking remains a hot topic amongst Muslims. If there was a remote possibility that your money was indexed to some kind of interest payments, could you use that 'non-halal' money to fund a war in the name of Islam?

Occult = not controlled by international organisation

they have accounts in fiscal paradises such as Cayman Islands, Switzerland...

I never said Al Qaeda were muslims / good muslims / following Sharia.

Currently, all the money in the world is haram. The whole global fincancial system is based on Riba (usury). Whether the so called "islamic banks" are locally riba-free or not is actually a big joke, it's pure marketing since they are part of a bigger kufr system. Currently, all the currency in the world is haram. The west destroyed our golden dinar and our silver dirham when they destroyed the Caliphate and they replaced it by paper money indexed on nothing.

That being said, either those Al Qaeda accept this money or they stay smoking Hookah. I think the choice was easy.

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It is written black on white in the Qur'an.

So is what I said, the Qur'an says certain veres are allegorical

so you proved that what I was saying was correct.



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Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not even supposed to follow the same rules as regular muslims. How can you pretend to be credible when you don't even know this ? Whatever did prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was right but we aren't supposed to emulate everything he did. Prophet Muhammad was allowed to have more than four wives at the same time but muslims are not. And they will never be. My god is Allah SWT, not prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and when Allah SWT says to not collaborate with invaders, that means to not collaborate with them.

That's only in cases where Allah(swt) had made an exception . Nabi(saw) is not allowed to commit fornication, drink alcohol, murder, collect usury. If he did these things he would not be a Prophet, since the Prophet avoids major sins.

The example of Muhammad(saw) being able to marry more than one wife is EXPLICITLY defined in the Qur'an. Prove to us that your claim that Nabi(saw) had exceptions regarding associations with Kufar and seeking their assistance was exclusive only for him.

You're contradicting yourself; Allah(swt) sent Nabi (saw) to convey his commandments and show us his example; therefore what Muhammad(saw) does and says is what we should define our behavior UNLESS there is an EXPLICIT decree otherwise.

This is stated in the Qur'an

You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day, and who remembers Allah much. (33:21)

You're rejecting an explicit verse of the Qur'an; therefore you have become an apostate.

I'm pretty sure you have jewish blood in you for twisting clear ayat in such ways.

Even if I did, so what? Most of the Anbiyah also had what you call "Jewish blood" as did many of the Early Muslims as well as the wife of Nabi(saw)

I'm just more logical than you are so you're getting frustrated because your arguments are flawed and inconsistent to the actual teachings of Islam

Face it, you're following Saudi Doctine, not Islam.

That must be from your Yemeni roots. You are doing the same thing as the Jews who broke Shabbat.

The difference is the Shabbat is explicitly commanded with a detailed and explicit interpretation. The things we're debating are not.
There is a gray area.

And yes My Mom's origins are from Yemen; look at what Nabi(saw) said about Yemen.

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “The people of Yemen have come to you and they are extremely gentle and soft-hearted. Belief (iman) is that of the Yemenis and wisdom (hikma) is that of the Yemenis. Pride and haughtiness are the characters of the owners of camels, and calmness and solemnity are the qualities of the owners of sheep.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 4127)

The same Yemenis tribes who went to Morocco; and civilized your Berbers to become Muslims. Too bad the Saudis enslaved you now.

I don't want to see how your brain works because it's really ****ed up. How dare you showing me hadiths that contradict the Qur'an. You are creating your own religion by picking interpretations as if we were in a supermarket. If we follow your methodology, there would be 1.5 billion different Islams on the planet.

Who said any of these hadith contradict the Qur'an? It's because you have a superficial understanding of Islam that you think they contradict. There is only one Islam, but if there was only ONE interpretation then there wouldn't be 4 Sunni Madha'ib, and there would not be Maturidi and Ashari.

There is a scandinavian proverb which says : "The liar thinks everybody lies".

You're taking a Kafir proverb, and then you're criticizing the Authentic Words of the Prophet?

You are the one always questionning people's claim about their personnal lives. The only people on this forum who thank your comments are hardcore kafirs and proud of it. I think it means a lot. I'm done with you. You know what ? You are right. You are right on everything. Happy ?

The people who thank you, are hiomosexuals, boy rapists, Pork Sellers and Munafiqeen. What's your point?

I thank whoever can make a logical argument. A Muslim cares for truth, NOT who says the Truth.

[Al Hanif]

So is what I said, the Qur'an says certain veres are allegorical

not only that but the Qur'an also says that people who are trying to seek hidden meanings behind it are perverts


He it is who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.(Sura 3:7)


You are the one claiming that evolution is true. You are the one following darwinism. You are the one giving a hidden meaning to those verses.

Are verses about hell allegorical ? Why are you avoiding my question ? All the people commenting here and all the ghosts who did not register to this forum are waiting !!! Everybody is waiting your answer !!!

That's only in cases where Allah(swt) had made an exception . Nabi(saw) is not allowed to commit fornication, drink alcohol, murder, collect usury. If he did these things he would not be a Prophet, since the Prophet avoids major sins.



The example of Muhammad(saw) being able to marry more than one wife is EXPLICITLY defined in the Qur'an. Prove to us that your claim that Nabi(saw) had exceptions regarding associations with Kufar and seeking their assistance was exclusive only for him.

You're contradicting yourself; Allah(swt) sent Nabi (saw) to convey his commandments and show us his example; therefore what Muhammad(saw) does and says is what we should define our behavior UNLESS there is an EXPLICIT decree otherwise.

This is stated in the Qur'an

You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day, and who remembers Allah much. (33:21)

You're rejecting an explicit verse of the Qur'an; therefore you have become an apostate.

The hadith you mentionned contradicts the Qur'an so this hadith is fake.

Even if I did, so what? Most of the Anbiyah also had what you call "Jewish blood" as did many of the Early Muslims as well as the wife of Nabi(saw)

I'm just more logical than you are so you're getting frustrated because your arguments are flawed and inconsistent to the actual teachings of Islam

Face it, you're following Saudi Doctine, not Islam.

You're following Charles Darwin (piss be upon him).

The difference is the Shabbat is explicitly commanded with a detailed and explicit interpretation. The things we're debating are not.
There is a gray area.

And yes My Mom's origins are from Yemen; look at what Nabi(saw) said about Yemen. The same Yemenis tribes who went to Morocco; and civilized your Berbers to become Muslims. Too bad the Saudis enslaved you now.

Yemen is by far the worst arab country. No need to explain why. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

Who said any of these hadith contradict the Qur'an? It's because you have a superficial understanding of Islam that you think they contradict. There is only one Islam, but if there was only ONE interpretation then there wouldn't be 4 Sunni Madha'ib, and there would not be Maturidi and Ashari.



You're taking a Kafir proverb, and then you're criticizing the Authentic Words of the Prophet?

Which authentic words ? Prove those are authentic words.

The people who thank you, are hiomosexuals, boy rapists, Pork Sellers and Munafiqeen. What's your point?

I thank whoever can make a logical argument. A Muslim cares for truth, NOT who says the Truth.

Where is it written that you can't sell pork to the kuffar ?

[sunni]

don't judge them by saying thier not muslims because they jump on you becuase of thier hate on arabs. you should know that bro.
there are some liberal muslims and there are some fake muslims.
dont bother arguing with them by the name of islam, just shut thier mouth by using words from quran and hadiths, bro.



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is muta'zila and he's monafiq using some weak hadiths and would dodge must of the time.

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not only that but the Qur'an also says that people who are trying to seek hidden meanings behind it are perverts

See this is your Jahalat, you have to understand the Qur'an in Arabic

The Qur'an says


wa ibtighaa tawilihi wama ya'lamu tawilahu illa Allahu wal rasikhoona fil 'alimi

This means that no one understands the INTERPRETATION, it doesn't mean hidden meanings, except Allah AND those grounded in Knowledge

yaquloona amanna bihi kullun min 'aindi rabbina wa ma yathakkaru illa oloo al albabi

Means "They say they believe in everything from what our lord possesses and no one remembers this except the People of Knowledge."

See what a difference when we understand the arabic correctly? You don't know Arabic o you are left with misunderstandings.

You are the one claiming that evolution is true. You are the one following darwinism. You are the one giving a hidden meaning to those verses.

It is true; nothing can happen unless Allah(swt) allows it, we have seen in Laboratories species transitioning into other species. the Same genetic markers that exist in apes also exist in Humans. If Allah(swt) did not mean evolution we wouldn't see evidence of it. Even the Early Muslim scientists knew it.

Are verses about hell allegorical ? Why are you avoiding my question ? All the people commenting here and all the ghosts who did not register to this forum are waiting !!! Everybody is waiting your answer !!!

Because your question is just a diversion , in Islam we know which verses are allegorical and

The hadith you mentionned contradicts the Qur'an so this hadith is fake.

It's Sahih, it's in any sahih book; and also it's contradicting your Brainwashed Saudi Tawil, not the actual correct meanings. Go study the Tafsir, and get the real meaning.

You're following Charles Darwin.

Muslims knew evolution before Darwin, Look up Al-Jahith.

Yemen is by far the worst arab country. No need to explain why. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

If Yemen was a bad country; then you wouldn't be Muslims today. Plus my dad is Pashtun, and majority of Afghans hate the Taliban, includig Pashtuns, so are they a bad country too because we reject Slaves of Munafiqs?

Which authentic words ? Prove those are authentic words.

They're in Sahih Muslim and BUkhari; next.

Where is it written that you can't sell pork to the kuffar ?

even your own Khariji scholars know this
Islam Question and Answer - Is it permissible to sell haraam things like pork to non-Muslims?

Selling pork is haraam whether it is sold to a Muslim or to a kaafir. The evidence for that is as follows:

1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maytah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of salcohol (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering”

[al-An’aam 6:145]

And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us an important principle when he said: “When Allaah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3488; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ghaayat al-Maraam, 318.

See the one who is a Kafir on this forum; is actually you. ....You should and will be publicly executed

[randolph85]

This is one reason why I am atheist. He say this is real Muslim another say he is real Muslim then some else say he is real Muslim. They kill you if you dont believe like they do. Quran say it is so clear simple but has so many sects you are left confuse which is real Islam?

then go find the meaning out for urself.

the quran is easy to understand. the bickering is over semantics, the overwhelming amount being nothing that should affect ones belief in the all mighty if they truely believe.

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don't judge them by saying thier not muslims because they jump on you becuase of thier hate on arabs. you should know that bro.
there are some liberal muslims and there are some fake muslims.
dont bother arguing with them by the name of islam, just shut thier mouth by using words from quran and hadiths, bro.



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is muta'zila and he's monafiq using some weak hadiths and would dodge must of the time.

I'm half Arab, so there's no reason I should hate Arabs, I'm just agaist your brainwashed Saudi slave ideology of Neo-Kharijiiyah, which calls itself Wahabism. which has ruined the Muslim world.

show me which hadith I have used that is weak.

[Al Hanif]

See this is your Jahalat, you have to understand the Qur'an in Arabic

The Qur'an says


wa ibtighaa tawilihi wama ya'lamu tawilahu illa Allahu wal rasikhoona fil 'alimi

This means that no one understands the INTERPRETATION, it doesn't mean hidden meanings, except Allah AND those grounded in Knowledge

yaquloona amanna bihi kullun min 'aindi rabbina wa ma yathakkaru illa oloo al albabi

Means "They say they believe in everything from what our lord possesses and no one remembers this except the People of Knowledge."

See what a difference when we understand the arabic correctly? You don't know Arabic o you are left with misunderstandings.

You are the one advocating darwinism and promoting evolutionnism.

Not me.

You are the one saying that this interpretation is the absolute truth.

If anything, the sahabas who did not have knowledge and believed in a strict litteralism were muslims. They were not scientists, microscopes did not even exist at those times. Yet they are muslims. There is no doubt that not interpreting the verses you call "allegorical" is acceptable. So the salafis are muslims. On the other hand, creating your own interpretations with extreme rationalism. Promoting darwinism and man-made theories is giving interpretations and giving interpretation of allegorical verses is for those in whose hearts is perversity. It's not good and you should stick to your own beliefs. Stop promoting man-made ideologies and stop with your perversion.

It is true; nothing can happen unless Allah(swt) allows it, we have seen in Laboratories species transitioning into other species. the Same genetic markers that exist in apes also exist in Humans. If Allah(swt) did not mean evolution we wouldn't see evidence of it. Even the Early Muslim scientists knew it.

Believing in evolution is one thing. Believing in Darwinism is another thing. Believing that Adam (as) did not exist is again another thing.

Why couldn't Allah SWT create humans exactly as stated in the Qur'an taken in a litteral point of you ? Is it because you think that Allah SWT is not able to do this ?

Because your question is just a diversion , in Islam we know which verses are allegorical and

No, we don't know. Verses about legislation are absolutely not allegorical. Verses about description of prophetic stories can be allegorical.

When it says : whip the fornicators with 100 lashes, there is no allegory, there is no issue of interpretation. Anyone who implements other laws that this one is a murtad because someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) what which Allah has made unlawful (Haram) like alcohol or adultery is a kafir. Only Allah has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore commit shirk and fall outside the boundaries of faith.

Muslims knew evolution before Darwin, Look up Al-Jahith.

Believing in evolution is not the same thing as refuting the existance of prophet Adam (as). I can believe that there are evolution processes occurring in the nature and at the same time that Adam (as) was the first human who existed and that he was created from mud. Certainly, Allah SWT has power over all things. It contradicts Darwinism, it does not contradict the Qur'an and it would not contradict evolution processes in laboratories if those really existed.

If Yemen was a bad country; then you wouldn't be Muslims today. Plus my dad is Pashtun, and majority of Afghans hate the Taliban, includig Pashtuns, so are they a bad country too because we reject Slaves of Munafiqs?

Most Pashtuns support Talibans. ANA, NATO, Tajiks, Hazaras are the enemies of Talibans. If Pashtuns hated them too as you claim, they would never have resisted 10 years.

See the one who is a Kafir on this forum; is actually you. ....You should and will be publicly executed

I don't sell pork. Neither you have proven that it makes you a kafir. All you have "proved" is that it was forbidden but not that it makes you a kafir.

At least, when I call someone a kafir, I know what i'm doing.

@sunni : there is no such thing as a liberal muslim : one can only be muslim or non-muslim

someone who collaborates with kuffars in times of war is a kafir and there is no doubt about it

someone who is against the sharia of Allah SWT and testifies that the punishment for a fornicator is not 100 lashes or refuses to implement it while in power is a kafir and there is no doubt about it

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You are the one advocating darwinism and promoting evolutionnism.

You're the one brainwahed by Europeans into thinking that the Islamic Heritage is theirs.

This is what happens when you get enslaved by the French.

You are the one saying that this interpretation is the absolute truth.

No I say the interpretation is evidenced by Nature; and thus cannot be a contradiction to Islam since in Islam we acknowledge Allah(swt) as originator of Nature.

If anything, the sahabas who did not have knowledge and believed in a strict litteralism were muslims. They were not scientists, microscopes did not even exist at those times. Yet they are muslims. There is no doubt that not interpreting the verses you call "allegorical" is acceptable.

Wrong the Qur'an says;



On the earth are Signs (proofs for the natural phenomena) for those of assured Faith, as also in your own selves: will you not then see? (Zariat: 20-21)

So we're obligated by the Qur'an; to see how the signs of Allah(swt) are evidet in Nature; therefore we're supposed to understand the Qur'an by Allah(swt)'s signs even the Natural ones as proven here.

. On the other hand, creating your own interpretations with extreme rationalism. Promoting darwinism and man-made theories is giving interpretations and giving interpretation of allegorical verses is for those in whose hearts is perversity. It's not good and you should stick to your own beliefs. Stop promoting man-made idelogies.
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Nature is not man made ....the fact you're saying it is an made is shirk; you're contradicting Islam.

Believing in evolution is one thing. Believing in Darwinism is another thing. Believing that Adam (as) did not exist is again another thing.

Then I don't believe in Darwinism; since modern science shows even Darwin made a few errors; I believe in what is shown by evidence.

Why couldn't Allah SWT create humans exactly stated in the Qur'an taken in a litteral point of you ? Is it because you think that Allah SWT is not able to do this ?

It's not an issue of can or can't; it's an issue of did or didn't; we see in Nature that the Genetics of the other Animals and Humans have the same patterns , so they have to be related by evolution. That means Allah(swt) was just being metaphoric.

Nature cannot contradict Allah(swt); therefore this has to be the case.

No, we don't know. Verses about legislation are absolutely not allegorical. Verses about description of prophetic stories can be allegorical.

That's right, commands are not allegorical; but we know by sentence structure and topic which is a command or not.

When it says : whip the fornicators with 100 lashes, there is no allegory, there is no issue of interpretation. Anyone who implements other laws that this one is a murtad because someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) what which Allah has made unlawful (Haram) like alcohol or adultery is a kafir. Only Allah has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore commit shirk and fall outside the boundaries of faith.

Agreed; but when there are verses which say "Allah sits over a throne" ....this is Allegorical; thrones are things created by Humans, Allah(swt) just uses that to convey the ideas of power and dominion.

Believing in evolution is not the same thing as refuting the existance of prophet Adam (as).

No one is refuting existence; but rather "kaif yikoun" which means how he exists.

I can believe that there are evolution processes occurring in the nature and at the same time that Adam (as) was the first human who existed and that he was created from mud.

sure so can I if I look at parts of that metaphorically. Allah(swt) has power over all things but he never contradicts himself. We see from nature we're not created by Mud.

Most Pashtuns support Talibans. ANA, NATO, Tajiks, Hazaras are the enemies of Talibans. If Pashtuns hated them too as you claim, they would never have resisted 10 years.

That's not true; if Most Pashtuns supported the Taliban then they would have won 8 years ago with ease, the fact they have fought 10 years without success, means they're not supported by Pastuns; the reason they continue fighting is because they get money from Pakistan, not Pashtuns. Most Pashtuns are just afraid of tem because the Taliban threaten to rape women and kill peoples failies. Like tyrants do.





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You have "proved" that it was forbidden but not that it makes you a kafir.

THat's what you asked for Jahil.

did you forget your own question?

Where is it written that you can't sell pork to the kuffar ?

The fact you support people who sell Pork; means you're a munafiq and have a disease in your heart

somone who collaborates with kuffars in times of war is a kafir and there is no doubt about it

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Then you're calling Nabi(saw) a kafir .....which means you're outside of Islam and need to be executed immediately

[sunni]

I'm half Arab, so there's no reason I should hate Arabs, I'm just agaist your brainwashed Saudi slave ideology of Neo-Kharijiiyah, which calls itself Wahabism. which has ruined the Muslim world.

show me which hadith I have used that is weak.

i know your type of ppl.
i wasn't pointing on you when i was talking about the hating thats why i post about you singly.

you know which hadith.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-1...06/index3.html

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i know your type of ppl.
i wasn't pointing on you when i was talking about the hating thats why i post about you singly.

you know which hadith.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/hujra-1...06/index3.html

You did not show any proof this is a weak hadith; this is just your claim which is baseless.


The Sunni Ulama consider it authentic.

THE VEIL IN ISLAM

Among proofs for the veil in the Sunna are the following authentic hadiths (traditional reports) of the Prophet :

"Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) reported that Asma’ the daughter of Abu Bakr (rad.i-Allahu `anhu) came to the Messenger of Allah while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." [Abu Dawud]

Ibn Qudama in al-Mughni (1:349) explained that showing the face and hands are a specific dispensation within the general meaning of the hadith "All of the woman’s body is considered her nakedness [to those outside the mahram relationship or her husband]." (al-mar'atu `awra)

You are a liar ...which makes you an apostate.

[Al Hanif]

No I say the interpretation is evidenced by Nature; and thus cannot be a contradiction to Islam since in Islam we acknowledge Allah(swt) as originator of Nature.

Thats what I said : you say that those verses are allegorical and that your own interpretation of those verses is the absolute truth. You insist about it, even if I clearly showed you that it was wrong to do this, quoting an ayah.

Nature is not man made ....the fact you're saying it is an made is shirk; you're contradicting Islam.

I never used the word 'nature' :

On the other hand, creating your own interpretations with extreme rationalism. Promoting darwinism and man-made theories is giving interpretations and giving interpretation of allegorical verses is for those in whose hearts is perversity.

One can clearly see that you are lying and that you are absolutely not ashamed of it.

It's not an issue of can or can't; it's an issue of did or didn't; we see in Nature that the Genetics of the other Animals and Humans have the same patterns , so they have to be related by evolution.

Completely false.


Evolution is just a guess. You have to build a time-traveler machine to prove it did happened the way you claim it did. Either way, there is no reason for me to believe in your fairy tales. Prove the uniformity of nature in the first place.

Nature cannot contradict Allah(swt); therefore this has to be the case.

This reminds me that you did not answered me about the Omnipotence paradox.

We are waiting you answer !!! And we are hot as hell ! Mister "Set theory refutes your tenets" !!!


Oh by the way, we are still waiting your answer about hell being metaphorical or not.

Agreed; but when there are verses which say "Allah sits over a throne" ....this is Allegorical; thrones are things created by Humans, Allah(swt) just uses that to convey the ideas of power and dominion.

Only salafi wahabi khawarijs saudis anthropomorphists and mu'tazila darwinists rationalists make their own interpretations about allegocial verses and say that it is the absolute truth. You are the plague of sunnis with your extremist views. Both of you. I don't support you nor do I support them. At least the salafis are doing what the sahabas did. But you are promoting man-made ideologies.

sure so can I if I look at parts of that metaphorically. Allah(swt) has power over all things but he never contradicts himself. We see from nature we're not created by Mud.

We are talking about the first man, not us.

That's not true; if Most Pashtuns supported the Taliban, the reason they're fighting is because they get money from Pakistan, not Pashtuns. Most Pashtuns are just afraid of tem because the Taliban threaten to rape women and kill peoples failies. Like tyrants do.

Habeas corpus.

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Thats what I said : you say that those verses are allegorical and that your own interpretation of those verses is the absolute truth. You insist about it, even if I clearly showed you that it was wrong to do this, quoting an ayah.

No I say Nature shows these verses are allegorical, Allah(swt) created nature.

I never used the word 'nature' :

But you're calling things which are demonstrated by evidence in nature and saying they're man made ideologies; So by deductive reasoning; you're claiming Man-created Nature.

Which is shirk. you're a Mushrik

One can clearly see that you are lying and that you are absolutely not ashamed of it.

Completely false.


Evolution is just a guess.

we have seen evolution observed; it's not a guess it's an explanation of facts.

You have to build a time-traveler machine to prove it did happened the way you claim it did. Either way, there is no reason for me to believe in your fairy tales. Prove the uniformity of nature in the first place

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Laws of Physics, next.

This reminds me that you did not answered me about the Omnipotence paradox.

It's a red herring;

Oh by the way, we are still waiting your answer about hell being metaphorical or not.

Red Herring.

Only salafi wahabi khawarijs saudis anthropomorphists .

That's your Madhab.

At least the salafis are doing what the sahabas did. But you are promoting man-made ideologies.

You're contradicting yourself; and are supporting them; I showed that Nature is not man-made so your assertion is groundless.

We are talking about the first man, not us.

We're descendants of the first man.

Habeas corpus.

the fact they use suicide bombing is enough evidence; if they were really supported by Pashtuns they'd never need such disgusting tactics.

[sunni]

You did not show any proof this is a weak hadith; this is just your claim which is baseless.


The Sunni Ulama consider it authentic.

THE VEIL IN ISLAM




You are a liar ...which makes you an apostate.

stop barking here and come at the other thread.
you are using me to change the topic here.