Al Hanif's Shoutbox

[MohannaD]

This is one reason why I am atheist. He say this is real Muslim another say he is real Muslim then some else say he is real Muslim. They kill you if you dont believe like they do. Quran say it is so clear simple but has so many sects you are left confuse which is real Islam?

You ignore the religion because of individuals ?? Follow the Qur'an and Sunnah and don't listen to whatever clashes with both .

[Soldat_Amir]

I think the reason why we have people like Al Hanif, is because he is a social reject of his own community, so these social rejects always look to other communities who are vulnerable and easily exploited to feel secure and safe in making them feel less special and not valuable and themselves as special and important.

[tor_khan]

^Soldat. It is called manipulation. As much as melmastiya is an integral part of Pashtoon culture and something that I completely believe in, we should also be wise to the intentions of people who come from outside pretending to be your friend. Catya may be a supporter of Al Hanif, but a rat smells like a rat.

[Soldat_Amir]

You ignore the religion because of individuals ?? Follow the Qur'an and Sunnah and don't listen to whatever clashes with both .

The Quran and Sunnah is led by Sects, who interpretate it with accordance to their view. You would be considered a Heretic if you were to follow Islam outside of the main schools of thought hence you will have to follow a sect who follows a particular intepretation. That's how it goes.

[MohannaD]

The Quran and Sunnah is led by Sects, who interpretate it with accordance to their view. You would be considered a Heretic if you were to follow Islam outside of the main schools of thought hence you will have to follow a sect who follows a particular intepretation. That's how it goes.

I follow Math'hab Malik , but when I find out that the Sunnah (the way of the Prophet Mohammad Alaihy Assalat Wassalam) was different then I follow the Sunnah . It's not a crime , you're free .
For example in Math'hab Malik we don't cross our hands when praying , but I do , and my family do .
I was never asked by anyone to refrain from doing something because I'm supposed to follow Malik .

[Soldat_Amir]

I follow Math'hab Malik , but when I find out that the Sunnah (the way of the Prophet Mohammad Alaihy Assalat Wassalam) was different then I follow the Sunnah . It's not a crime , you're free .
For example in Math'hab Malik we don't cross our hands when praying , but I do , and my family do .
I was never asked by anyone to refrain from doing something because I'm supposed to follow Malik .

Well, you follow Math'hab Malik, I am sure there are other Muslims who oppose your set of beliefs, thats the point I am making. Who determines what is sunnah and what is not, its people who intrepretate it to be correct. This is what people join Sects for, they feel that person speaks the truth, while others dont, and problems arise from this.

[Afghanistan2010]

This is one reason why I am atheist. He say this is real Muslim another say he is real Muslim then some else say he is real Muslim. They kill you if you dont believe like they do. Quran say it is so clear simple but has so many sects you are left confuse which is real Islam?

Our friend atheist,

there may be differencies among us but to distinguish between the believers and disbelievers,you should look back to the prophet (pbuh) his tradition and sayings (ahadiths) and the quran (the word of Allah the most high) , if any one contradicts the main points that were many times mentioned by brother Al-Hanif he has disbelieved in Allah and his messenger.




ScimitarXonEdgeToHell,

for sure you talk much bullsh'#t about your Evolution and the similar un necessary things but when it comes to islam please shut your dirty mouth because there comes only more bullsh=ß0t out which smell reachs the himalaya region (where i am) .Everything that you say is against that which says Islam.

Allah says its that what you are :


Believing in Some Prophets and Rejecting Others is Pure Kufr


Allah threatens those who disbelieve in Him and in His Messengers, such as the Jews and Christians, who differentiate between Allah and His Messengers regarding faith. They believe in some Prophets and reject others, following their desires, lusts and the practices of their forefathers. They do not follow any proof for such distinction, because there is no such proof. Rather, they follow their lusts and prejudices. The Jews, may Allah curse them, believe in the Prophets, except `Isa and Muhammad, peace be upon them. The Christians believe in the Prophets but reject their Final and Seal, and the most honored among the prophets, Muhammad, peace be upon him. In addition, the Samirah (Samaritans) do not believe in any Prophet after Yuwsha` (Joshua), the successor of Musa bin `Imran. The Majus (Zoroastrians) are said to believe only in a Prophet called Zoroaster, although they do not believe in the law he brought them casting it behind them, and Allah knows best. Therefore, whoever rejects only one of Allah's Prophets, he will have disbelieved in all of them, because it is required from mankind to believe in every prophet whom Allah sent to the people of the earth. And whoever rejects one Prophet, out of envy, bias and personal whim, he only demonstrates that his faith in other Prophets is not valid, but an act of following desire and whim. This is why Allah said,

﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ﴾

(Verily, those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers...) Thus, Allah describes these people as disbelievers in Allah and His Messengers;

﴿وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يُفَرِّقُواْ بَيْنَ اللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ﴾

(and wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers) in faith,

﴿وَيقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍ وَنَكْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يَتَّخِذُواْ بَيْنَ ذَلِكَ سَبِيلاً﴾

(saying, "We believe in some but reject others,'' and wish to adopt a way in between.) Allah then describes them;

﴿أُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْكَـفِرُونَ حَقّاً﴾

(They are in truth disbelievers.) meaning, their disbelief in the Prophet they claim to believe in is clear. This is because their claimed faith in a certain Messenger is not true, for had they truly believed in him, they would have believed in other Messengers, especially if the other Messenger has a stronger proof for his truthfulness. Or at least, they would have strived hard to acquire knowledge of the truth of the other Messenger. Allah said,

﴿وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَـفِرِينَ عَذَاباً مُّهِيناً﴾

(And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.) This is just punishment for belittling the Prophets whom they disbelieved in, by ignoring what the Prophet brought to them from Allah, and because they are interested in the insignificant possessions of this world. Or, their behavior could be the result of their disbelief in the Prophet after they were aware of his truth, just as the Jewish rabbis did during the time of Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah . The Jews envied the Messenger because of the great prophethood that Allah gave him, and as a consequence, they denied the Messenger, defied him, became his enemies and fought against him. Allah sent humiliation upon them in this life, that shall be followed by disgrace in the Hereafter,

﴿وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ وَالْمَسْكَنَةُ وَبَآءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِّنَ اللَّهِ﴾

(And they were covered with humiliation and misery, and they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah.) in this life and the Hereafter.

[MohannaD]

Well, you follow Math'hab Malik, I am sure there are other Muslims who oppose your set of beliefs, thats the point I am making. Who determines what is sunnah and what is not, its people who intrepretate it to be correct. This is what people join Sects for, they feel that person speaks the truth, while others dont, and problems arise from this.

When you bring the hadeeth from a trusted source then they should not argue . I and I think many are are not strict about which math'hab you follow , in a mosque sometimes or maybe most of the times it's hard to tell to which math'hab the people praying with you belong.
A bit off-topic : you never hear in the news that people of this math'hab did this or that to people of other math'habs . And we can marry from each others , we are all following the Sunnah after all , when it comes to details with some issues then you might/will find differences (in some cases before going into details you'll find such as the hand crossing example I've mentioned), then again I'm free to pick what I want .

Math'habs are schools , not sectors . Sunni people can go to any mosque regardless of their math'hab , can marry from each others without the need of a math'hab change . All celebrate the same two Eid days .

[Afghanistan2010]

Exactly if there is an authentic hadith you have to follow it instead the conclusion of certain madhabs.

like most afghan im hanafi,but if there is differencies in opinion and then there comes an authentic hadith from the prophet (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) i will follow the hadith instead anything else.

If there is thing that are not known than stay on that which the scholars have pointed to.

[Al Hanif]

The problem with people like Soldat_Amir is that they were raised in the west and they are completely ignorant about Islam. They really think there is sectarism and hatred between muslims.

This hatred exists just between Sunnis and Shias. Not between Sunnis.

If you follow one of the 4 sunni madhabs, you belong to Ahl al Sunnah Wal Jama'a and you will never see a scholar of any sunni madhab blaming you or telling you you should change your ways.

Each one of the 4 Sunni Schools recognizes each other as legit source of legislation. No one is better than another.

Imam Al Shafi'i who founded the Shafi'i school of thought was the personal student of Imam Malik who founded the Maliki schhol of thought and they disagreed about some points but they never fought each other, they accepted each interpretation as legit.

There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The 4 Sunni schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the basic principles of Islam. Disagreements between the ulema (scholars) are only with respect to the ancillary branches of religion (furu') and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (usul) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the ancillary branches of religion (furu‘) is a mercy. Long ago it was said that variance in opinion among the ulema (scholars) 'is a good affair'.

People like you who hate sects so much should be the best friends of Salafis (the people you call Wahabis) since they don't follow any madhab, they just follow Qur'an and Hadiths.

[Al Hanif]

Hi if you dont agree on who is muslim that means you think the other will go to hell so it doesnt matter if you or the other think i am going to hell because you think the same about each other. That is the problem with your religion. Keep killing each other Shia againt Sunni let me know when you figure out who what is real Islam and Muslim. You are sunni support saudi arabia with US Israel against Iran. Your religion is nothing but power struggle and politics. Any one not supporting your politics nation they are fake kafir muslims. It is that simple.

Hi you are so ignorant it gets funnier everytime. That's completely false. The house of Saud are a greater threat to the Ummah than Iran. I don't know if the average Shia is muslim since i've never met one but even if he isn't muslim, he's still better than the Saudis rulers as well as the Pakistani rulers who are apostates.

Saudis funded american war on Iraq, they are the greatest traitors to Islam. The Saudi King is a freemason, he wants to create a global religion.

They imprisoned the Salafis Sheikhs who speak the truth yet most ignorants think that Saudi Rulers = Salafis when actually they are freemasons

Saudi King Abdullah's Interfaith Center in Italy to Unify the World's Religions?, Christian News

Saudis underwrite organization to bring world’s religions under one roof - Beliefnet News

Muammar al-Gaddafi attacking the king of Saudi Arabia in the Doha Summit - YouTube


The best thing is that people like Soldat_Amir and you hate Saudi rulers yet you are apostates like them. It also appears that he hates Pakistani rulers even if they share the same religion as him. Maybe you should kill each others as I know atheists are good to kill each others (remember WWI & WWII) and spare the muslims with your political interests.

[Soldat_Amir]

Al Hanif, this is what I dont get. Saudi arabia funds a lot of Salafi/Wahabi organisations around the world. Saudi Arabia is the capital of Salafism/Wahabism sect.

On a fair note, why are you angry over a interfaith conference. Is it bad for Muslims to seek to improve ties with other faiths, such as Judaism and Christianity, or do you have other motives such as taking over these countries by force and impliement anjem choundary as the emir of the world?

[ScimitarXEdge]

There is no issue of interpretation here, don't hide yourself behind interpretation.

You are well known here for making endless discussions and just to try to prove you're right and have the last word.

This is a circular argument since you claimed that the 4 SUnni Madha'ib affirm this; you have no Proof to support your claim from any Major Unanimously Accepted Texts in Each Madhab.

Let's go to the source.

When Allah SWT says :

Surat 5 :
81. If only they had believed in Allah, in the Messenger, and in what hath been revealed to him, never would they have taken them for friends and protectors, but most of them are rebellious wrong-doers.

Again circular argument; you do not give context and Tafsir of the verse, which important in understanding which instance this verse is referring to.

You don't need a madhab to understand that the people who collaborate with kuffars do not believe in Allah SWT, in the Messenger, and in what hath been revealed to him. It's Allah SWT himself who tells you that. It's right here, written black on white. I don't care about what any madhab says, those people are clearly kuffars.

Yes you do, or else you'd be saying that Muhammad(saw) was a kafir for enlisting the Help of his Uncle Hamza(ra) ; Sunni Muslims acknowledge that Hamza(ra) died outside of Islam, because he never converted. Only Shi'a say he converted to Islam,

That's just an example, I won't spend my time explaining all the points but that's extremely clear.

That's because you're incapable of refuting any of the factual evidences regarding the events surrounding the Early Muslims at the time of Nabi(saw). There

Allah's speech >>>>>>>> insert here an infinite number of brackets >>>>>>>>> some particular situations in a space-time plot

When Allah SWT said to not take infidels as Bitanah, it means to not take them as Bitanah. Period.

If that was so Nabi(saw) would never have sought refuge with the Habshi Negus.

So many examples from Nabu(saw); you're basically implying tht you see Nabi(saw) as an Infidel

Which proves you're an Apostate.

[B]
Let's say that the verses about creation are allegorical. Let's say that evolution is true. Let's say that prophet Adam (as) did not exist.

That's a weak argument....And can easily be refuted.

Let's assume the Qur'an is literal in each and every instnce.

Prove to us that the Sun comes out of a Muddy Pond?

Prove to us there are Pillars that hold up the Earth that we can't see?

Prove to us that shoot stars are missiles to drive away the shayatin?

see your argument backfiires. Since your claim of literalism fail in numerous instances.

Mind you, I don't claim it's all allegory, we need to understand the linguistic structure of the Qur'an to determine whether or not it is allegory or literal.

- either you think that they are allegorical but you can't prove it and then I fail to see how someone who thinks there will be no punishment or reward can act differently from a non-believer if he doesn't expect a judgment in the afterlife

That's because you're a Jahil; completely ignorant, uneducated and brainwashed by Saudi Ideological Indoctrination to see the universe only one way.

If you are familiar with Mu'tazilah Falsafa, something is based on the idea of Intrinsic Good, things are good or evil because of the properties in respects to how they were created, and things are created by How Allah(swt) planned their development, i.e. evolution can exist since it exits as a property of Creation which is Space-Time, Since Allah(swt) exists beyond the constraints of space-time, the whole evolutionary process can be "kun fa yikun".

The Anbiyah are sent to teach us the DETAILS of Shari'ah, the essentials of Shari'ah are based around the natural properties of everything.

- or you think that they are not allegorical but you cant prove it and then you have to tell me why you claim that genesis is allegorical and that punishment in the afterlife is not allegorical

I can prove it just fine; but you're not an Arabic speaker; you're a Colonized slave of the French, So if we were to talk about the linguistic properties of Arabic it would require you to become more familiar with this on some level.

My guess is that you don't even believe in Allah SWT. You are just trolling here.

That's because you're irrational; you think that only the Saudi Khariji wy of Understanding Allah(swt) is the correct one.

This however is baseless.

It's people like you who destroyed Christianity. If you learnt about the Catholic Church, how it was destroyed, you will find that it was because of rationalists like you.

That makes no sense what so ever since Christianity and Catholicism; both advocate "Blind Faith" and that things are only known by "Faith"; this is why the Catholics tried persecuting Gallileo for showing that the Sun does not revolve around the Earth.

In fact it's the IRRATIONAL who hurt Christianity; and it's the IRRATIONAL like yourself who are harming Islam; you ignore what the Qur'an tells us

Use our minds.

"There are signs for those who think and reflect." (45:13)

Logic and Rationality are the advocations of the Qur'an.

I know it and I know it very well, I live in France, Humanism, Rationalism, les Lumières, French monarchy, French Revolution...

But yet you nothing about Islamic Rationalism. The Golden Age of Islam, when Muslims made every kafir cower in fear, when we produced magnificient scientific and mathematical achievements AND we had Shari'ah. You're ust blinded by some blind faith brainwashed by Saudis all slaves of the Infidels

Ithe Mu'tazili School disappeared in the 10th century.

Actually it was the 12th century; and after that Muslims declined, were thrown out of Europe and became poor and destitute, conquered and colonized

Doesn't that prove to you who Allah(swt) actually favors?

This is madness. You are completely crazy. You are going way too far. You think that religion is a scientific item ? You think that you can apply scientific method to religion ?

Mathematics is not an experimental science; so this argument does not apply.

You said it yourself you embraced Mathematics as a field of study because it is not man-made which means the RUles of Mathematics, Define the Universe.


So Set Theory will apply here too; your argument is mathematically falsified therefore it contradicts Islam.

First of all, even if we follow the scientific method, it is clearly written that the people who collaborate with kuffars are not believers

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Wrong Muhammad(saw) sought refuge with the Christian Kings of Ethiopia who believed that Jesus is Ilah, and Hamza was an infidel who helped Nabi(saw) fight battles.

There's a specialized understanding behind the verse, which is based on context, Study the Tafsir on it
.

In your propositions A, B, C,... n, the premise (a person can believe something) is not even fulfilled. Those people do not even believe according to Allah SWT himself. So there is no need to waste our time.

That's a circular argument you hold based on a false assumption; you're holding your conclusion as automatically true, and therefore it denies the premise.

You were lying about studying Mathematics; because you don't comprehend how Proofs work.

[Al Hanif]

Al Hanif, this is what I dont get. Saudi arabia funds a lot of Salafi/Wahabi organisations around the world. Saudi Arabia is the capital of Salafism/Wahabism sect.

The Saudi rulers are not Salafis. They are not even muslims. They are pure freemasons. The average Salafi has a long beard and he cuts his moustache and he wears a hat. Do Saudi leaders look like Salafis ? Not at all. They throw into prisons the Salafi Sheikhs who speak the truth and denounce their evil collaboration with USA and they replace them with corrupt Sheikhs in their favor. The real Sheikhs who speak the truth are exiled or imprisoned. They authorize evolutionnist books in the stores. Salafis then came and started protesting against it.

Think about it. True Salafis see all Shias as pure kafirs. Shias are not muslims for them. If the Salafis ruled Saudi Arabia, you would never see a Shia on Pilgrimage, they would be killed since non-muslims are not allowed to come to Holy Makkah. This clearly proves that Salafis don't rule Saudi Arabia. The people who rule Saudi Arabia are freemasons. They were put in power by the west.

Also I don't think Salafis fundamentalists would have accepted to build the Makkah Clock which has a pure western pagan style.

For example, Bin Laden is the worst enemy of Saudi Rulers. He is a pure Wahabbi/Salafi. Officially Bin Laden attacked USA because of american bases on Saudi soil. The rich arabs from EAU and Qatar who fund Al Qaeda and other 'terrorist' organisations are not Saudi Rulers, they are doing it illegally. They are doing it from occult bank accounts and they are not ruling Saudi Arabia nor the Saudi oil industry.

Saudi rulers are freemasons.

You see Salafis/Wahabis as the greatest evil but actually the greatest evil are Saudi freemasons rulers. They are complete enemies of each others. Saudi murtad rulers funded american genocide of Iraq. Al Qaeda never attacked muslims. They exclusively attacked american interests.

The house of Saud betrayed the Ottoman Empire and destroyed the Caliphate, the Salafis/Wahabis & Al Qaeda want to rebuild it.

On a fair note, why are you angry over a interfaith conference. Is it bad for Muslims to seek to improve ties with other faiths, such as Judaism and Christianity, or do you have other motives such as taking over these countries by force and impliement anjem choundary as the emir of the world?

We muslims are not humanists, we don't think all people will go to paradise.

We don't aim at conquering the world. All what we want is them to leave our muslim countries alone and mind their own business. Jews and Christians are friends of each others. We cannot trust them and we will never be their friends.

Jean-Paul II kissed the Qur'an because the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by freemasons, the same way you see now the Saudi rulers tying links with Jews and Christians. They have been infiltrated. You would never have seen a pope kissing a Qur'an before Vatican II council. This would have been an act of heresy. Kising the "Satanic Qur'an" would have never been imaginable 60 years ago.

[Al Hanif]

Prove to us that the Sun comes out of a Muddy Pond?

Prove to us there are Pillars that hold up the Earth that we can't see?

Prove to us that shoot stars are missiles to drive away the shayatin?

It is written black on white in the Qur'an.

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This is a circular argument since you claimed that the 4 SUnni Madha'ib affirm this; you have no Proof to support your claim from any Major Unanimously Accepted Texts in Each Madhab.





Again circular argument; you do not give context and Tafsir of the verse, which important in understanding which instance this verse is referring to.






Yes you do, or else you'd be saying that Muhammad(saw) was a kafir for enlisting the Help of his Uncle Hamza(ra) ; Sunni Muslims acknowledge that Hamza(ra) died outside of Islam, because he never converted. Only Shi'a say he converted to Islam,


That's because you're incapable of refuting any of the factual evidences regarding the events surrounding the Early Muslims at the time of Nabi(saw). There


[B]



If that was so Nabi(saw) would never have sought refuge with the Habshi Negus.

So many examples from Nabu(saw); you're basically implying tht you see Nabi(saw) as an Infidel

Which proves you're an Apostate.




That's a weak argument....And can easily be refuted.

Let's assume the Qur'an is literal in each and every instnce.

Prove to us that the Sun comes out of a Muddy Pond?

Prove to us there are Pillars that hold up the Earth that we can't see?

Prove to us that shoot stars are missiles to drive away the shayatin?

see your argument backfiires. Since your claim of literalism fail in numerous instances.

Mind you, I don't claim it's all allegory, we need to understand the linguistic structure of the Qur'an to determine whether or not it is allegory or literal.







That's because you're a Jahil; completely ignorant, uneducated and brainwashed by Saudi Ideological Indoctrination to see the universe only one way.

If you are familiar with Mu'tazilah Falsafa, something is based on the idea of Intrinsic Good, things are good or evil because of the properties in respects to how they were created, and things are created by How Allah(swt) planned their development, i.e. evolution can exist since it exits as a property of Creation which is Space-Time, Since Allah(swt) exists beyond the constraints of space-time, the whole evolutionary process can be "kun fa yikun".

The Anbiyah are sent to teach us the DETAILS of Shari'ah, the essentials of Shari'ah are based around the natural properties of everything.



I can prove it just fine; but you're not an Arabic speaker; you're a Colonized slave of the French, So if we were to talk about the linguistic properties of Arabic it would require you to become more familiar with this on some level.



That's because you're irrational; you think that only the Saudi Khariji wy of Understanding Allah(swt) is the correct one.

This however is baseless.



That makes no sense what so ever since Christianity and Catholicism; both advocate "Blind Faith" and that things are only known by "Faith"; this is why the Catholics tried persecuting Gallileo for showing that the Sun does not revolve around the Earth.

In fact it's the IRRATIONAL who hurt Christianity; and it's the IRRATIONAL like yourself who are harming Islam; you ignore what the Qur'an tells us

Use our minds.

"There are signs for those who think and reflect." (45:13)

Logic and Rationality are the advocations of the Qur'an.



But yet you nothing about Islamic Rationalism. The Golden Age of Islam, when Muslims made every kafir cower in fear, when we produced magnificient scientific and mathematical achievements AND we had Shari'ah. You're ust blinded by some blind faith brainwashed by Saudis all slaves of the Infidels


Actually it was the 12th century; and after that Muslims declined, were thrown out of Europe and became poor and destitute, conquered and colonized

Doesn't that prove to you who Allah(swt) actually favors?




[B]


Mathematics is not an experimental science; so this argument does not apply.

You said it yourself you embraced Mathematics as a field of study because it is not man-made which means the RUles of Mathematics, Define the Universe.


So Set Theory will apply here too; your argument is mathematically falsified therefore it contradicts Islam.



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Wrong Muhammad(saw) sought refuge with the Christian Kings of Ethiopia who believed that Jesus is Ilah, and Hamza was an infidel who helped Nabi(saw) fight battles.

There's a specialized understanding behind the verse, which is based on context, Study the Tafsir on it
.



That's a circular argument you hold based on a false assumption; you're holding your conclusion as automatically true, and therefore it denies the premise.

You were lying about studying Mathematics; because you don't comprehend how Proofs work.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not even supposed to follow the same rules as regular muslims. How can you pretend to be credible when you don't even know this ? Whatever did prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was right but we aren't supposed to emulate everything he did. Prophet Muhammad was allowed to have more than four wives at the same time but muslims are not. And they will never be. My god is Allah SWT, not prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and when Allah SWT says to not collaborate with invaders, that means to not collaborate with them.

I'm pretty sure you have jewish blood in you for twisting clear ayat in such ways.

That must be from your Yemeni roots. You are doing the same thing as the Jews who broke Shabbat.

I don't want to see how your brain works because it's really ****ed up. How dare you showing me hadiths that contradict the Qur'an. You are creating your own religion by picking interpretations as if we were in a supermarket. If we follow your methodology, there would be 1.5 billion different Islams on the planet.

There is a scandinavian proverb which says : "The liar thinks everybody lies".

You are the one always questionning people's claim about their personnal lives. The only people on this forum who thank your comments are hardcore kafirs and proud of it. I think it means a lot. I'm done with you. You know what ? You are right. You are right on everything. Happy ?