Al Hanif's Shoutbox

[Tjanaparh]

Al Hanif left the PF. He wrote a farewell post.

Where?

[یاسمینه]

Yesterday in Support/announcement section but it seems that the whole thread has been removed.

[Alchemist]

This is from the guy who thinks suicide bombers murdering their own people is ok. Because they're doing it to fight people who murder their own people.
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So wrong you've never disproved them.



This is from the guy who dvocates shari'ah but will sell pork



JUst the ones you support.


Then why do most of the actually LEARNED Ulama, call you guys kharijis and rafidhi?





Only that his version of Islam is from the 19th century.


Except the fact the theories I propose were first advocated by Muslims centuries ago.



except they originated from Al-Jahith, Al-Nazzam and their observations of nature.


Al Jahith, Al Nazzam, Ibn Haytham, Al Biruni, Al-Zamakhshari



You're contradicting yourself; first you say I don't have any scholars backing up my claims; but then you admit that I do but I don't have their original works.

You're blindly throwing arrows, what else is new.




Yeah because sources on the internet would logically = atheism.

You might think wriiting long responses means you have a credible more meritable response; but when broken down logically; you're ranting irrational banter.



So that must automatically mean that someone was an Atheist? False conclusion



I think it's you who are trying to rationalize why someone isn't following things blindly like you are. so you invent this scenario in your head of what you want things to be like..


More like compromising YOUR dogma; I'm perfectly fine with the tenants of Islam that I follow.


I sympathize with logic; if people who have a more logical argument happen to be Atheist...should I reject it?

This is why your arguments are almost always nonsense; you look at status than content. NONE of your debates have been based on understanding evidence but your absurd opinions of the sources of evidence


Pantheistic Naturalism? ....Isn't that what Ibn 'Arabi believed? Wahdat Al Wujud? I think Wahdat Al Wujud is an idea that is pretty pervasive amongst Muslims. However, I'm not a Pantheistic Naturalism.

Instead of using words YOU can't pronounce. Look up their correct meanings.




I said he believed in God, I never said God fearing; scroll up and find the quote.


How so?

Protestant Churhes in the Third Reich



Yeah clearly ......NOT




That's because Nazis and Soviets are history; we're dealing with the now, Zionism is a face of European IMperialism; so no need to be redundant, notice that the only reason this subject of Nazis and soviets came up is because of Al Khaneeth trying to claim Extremists who perverse Islam are scott free.



Subversively? Conspiracy Theory; take your tinfoil hat off.


Where have I said "most" of the Qur'an is metaphorical? MOST is a very big claim. Please supplement quotations

Or are you just INTERPOLATING and lying for dramatic effect?



Because the point was to emphasize that clearly these are Metaphoric statements. the Qur'an isn't literally saying the pillars hold up the Earth. because space does not have an absolute "up, down, left and light" this is all relative. There's no bottom of space.

As usual you interject to take things out of their context the argument here is that Qur'anic Literalism is not an absolute; but one taken in a case by case basis, likewise with Allegory.


Superficial, shallow, inaccurate, easily falsified, logically inconsistent, the list goes on.



Sophistry and conspiracy theory.


Not even you do; hence why you tend to Straw Man the arguments and put your own spin on everything instead of the words of the arguments themselves.



Wahhabis are a cartel.


I don't turn to Wahhabis.


You just contradicted yourself


I follow anything which is in sync with reason.



you think this way because yourself have ulterior motives behind your ideology push, and therefore naturally you would suspect others.



Yeah for the paranoid, mentally ill and deranged like yourself who always think something surreptitious is going on but just can't prove it.

heh

All I read was "gogo gaga goo".
Baby chatter.

Do me a big favour.

Show references from these people: Al Jahith, Al Nazzam, Ibn Haytham, Al Biruni, Al-Zamakhshari


DIRECT evidence from their work.

And you'll have a chance for pandering your warped heretical nonsense.

[ScimitarXEdge]

already have .....the reason you hear goo goo gaa gaa, is not surprising; that's all your brain can comprehend, surely the beauty of Mathematics would sound like a bunch of weird sounding squeals to pigs

[Alchemist]

See...the big mouth kid has no citation or references and never has.

Which goes to show that he is a big fraud.

Case closed. That easy.

[din]

Dr Zakir Naik - Question Regarding Sufis.flv

Dr Zakir Naik - Question Regarding Sufis.flv - YouTube

[ScimitarXEdge]

I guess Alchemist doesn't understand what "Already Have" would mean; figures since all he can comprehend are baby noises

[Talib Jan]

Hope this helps:

Tasawwuf - The Islamic Science of Spirituality (Sufism) - Online audio, lectures, articles, books. Teachings of traditional scholars, ulama, and Hadrat Maulana Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad, about islam, sunnah, hadith, muslims, quran, purification of the he

[Al Hanif]

About atheists...

Why are you so angry ?

Why are you so stupid when it comes to the knowledge of other religions than yours ?

Why do you think we worship an invisible man in the sky ?

If the big bang created everything, what created the big bang ?

Why do you force your politics on other people ?

Why do you care so much if we stone to death adulterers ?

Aren't humans just mere matter ? So if I stone to death a rock, it's the same thing.

Aren't you mad that religious people don't care about what you think ?

Do you think 2 men can marry each other ? If yes, do you think 3 men can marry each other ?

Do you think siblings can marry each other ? A mother and her son ? A father and his daughter ?

How do you come to understand good and evil, right and wrong without a transcendent signifier ?

If these concepts are merely social constructions, or human opinions, whose opinion does one trust in determining what is good or bad, right or wrong ?

If you are content within atheism, what circumstances would serve to make you open to other answers ?

[ozymandias]

Nice one-sided poll you have there.

[Afghanistan2010]

I believe they believe in God but they are too arrogant to accept the reality.

They know that there is no God,but God...La ilha ilAllah.

[Afghanistan2010]

ISLAMIC VIDEOS : An Atheist accepts Islam after Dr. Zakir Naik Lecture - YouTube

[ozymandias]

I believe they believe in God but they are too arrogant to accept the reality.

They know that there is no God,but God...La ilha ilAllah.

Why am I not surprised you have such an opinion -- and completely ignore the facts in front of you, and use your own opinion as evidence of something?

[ozymandias]

ISLAMIC VIDEOS : An Atheist accepts Islam after Dr. Zakir Naik Lecture - YouTube

Must have not been an educated atheist -- nothing Naik said was new, or convincing, and any atheist should have been exposed to those excuses time after time, already.

[Alchemist]

Why am I not surprised you have such an opinion -- and completely ignore the facts in front of you, and use your own opinion as evidence of something?

You have constantly used your own opinions as evidence all this time. Why can't he then?