Al Hanif's Shoutbox

[ScimitarXEdge]

people like Al Hanif are the biggest fitnah for Muslims.

[Alchemist]

people like Al Hanif are the biggest fitnah for Muslims.

You are a bigger fitnah buddy.


At least with Al Hanif we are not getting anything new. His biggest fault is that he is ideological and puts his weight behind one single truth, linearly and unidimensionally. Still what he says is true to an extent but not all the way.


With you. You are just flat out wrong.

First of all, all your arguments together are a patch work of contradictions burrowed. You put the horse before the cart. You make the argument that ulama of deen use their own opinions to come to a conclusion, even though their epistemology is familiar to the scholars. And there is the sting, you are not a scholar of anything, but you spout your own warped opinions as Islamic and "rational".

Even though all your claims in every thread is unfounded. So to an extent you are no different than Al Hanif because if he goes after other sects for straying from the 7th century version of Islam, you go after all sects for not being too close to 21st century myths. So you go on synthesizing a new outlook of Islam that burrows heavily from western mythologies.

There is no Islamic Scholar that backs up any of your claims in regard to evolution. You have no references to their original work, only what floats in the internet from other deluded fools. It is because of this that I suspect that you had your period of atheism. After all, every atheist here calls himself nowadays an "atheist agonist". I don't know for what reasons, but you switched over to "agnostic theism" and then rationalized your switch. You did by compromising real tenants of Islam. Which is why you can so easily sympathize with atheists. Which is why your views are much closer to pantheistic naturalism than any other sect of Islam. Since you seem deluded enough to think that Hitler was a god fearing man. When it is a known fact that Nationalist Socialism is completely irreconcilable with Christianty. It's no mystery or conspiracy that the Soviets and Nazis put a lot of effort in suppressing Religion. Yet in your view their attitude was one of indifference.
This is a cause for alarm since you preach watershed version of humanism, attributed to your indoctrination and assimilation in philly, but never apply the same sort of criticism to zionists, nazis, soviets as you do to "taliban suicide bombers and whabbism".
Worse still, to an extent you actually defend the former and even promote their ideals subversively. You make such bold claims that most of the Quran is metaphorical. Isra and Miraj never happened. Then ask questions that make the atheists put a feather in your cap - "Show me the Pillars that hold the skies that can't be seen? Show me the shooting stars that chase the devils!" ...Taken to its logical conclusion...why don't you just ask: Show me God?


Where as with Al Hanif the message is familiar, concise, and even predictable, it can easily be dissuaded. But with you...its problematic because you mesh truth with false hood with such cunning that not many notices it that you do it. Such as the way you label ulama a cartel, but then when pressed to show ijma on your own delusions you turn to that same "cartel" for backing...still they are fabrications. Not a surprise because you don't follow the cartal. You follow your whims. Sure Al hanif can easily be branded and recognized...but your's is a more dastard poison.

[Al Hanif]

At least with Al Hanif we are not getting anything new. His biggest fault is that he is ideological and puts his weight behind one single truth, linearly and unidimensionally.

That must be because I'm a mathematician.

[Mujib]

The Place of Tasawwuf in Traditional Islam

[emkhan]

I have some real questions if anyone who believes in tasawwuf can answer me if he is truthful in his beliefs. Its not about shirk, biddah or anything like that but its a very simple genuine question.

[tor_khan]

As for Tor_Khan, you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel
having to second a motion made by the lunatic member who
tried to make a jab at me, not knowing anything about me.
I notice your trend of stepping into the unpleasant shoes
of the now-defunct Wrayun, aka "PF Tech", who tried
exactly the same abrasive approach of attacking me...

Catya - I have had virtually no direct exchanges with you, except for perhaps this one and one previously. I am, however, aware of the veiled jibes that you have made now and then. Mostly, I have very carefully chosen not to react to what you say. However since you mention me, here is the situation as I see it.

For the posting you flag up, if I turn out to have wrongly cast doubt upon a Muslim's genuine commitment to Islam, I owe you an apology. I do not believe that it is my rightful place to openly question a Muslim like that.

Conversely, I think it is fair and within reason to question the jingoistic designs of a French North African and his American supporter where Pashtoons are the subject and object of war. There are a growing number of us who have wisened to the the designs of outsiders who interfere in our affairs. You do not have that as a right, please do not expect us to fight your wars for you.

The key here is understanding that whilst Pashtoons stretch their Melmastiya to include non-Pashtoons, it is the duty of guests avoid insulting their hosts. Just a reminder, Catya, that's all.

You say that I am scraping the bottom of the barrel. Understand that you are now talking about yourself. It is better to put that to one side if it makes you feel better. You are not being 'picked on'. There was no "motion" against you. Just an observation. As for PFTech/Wrayun. Yes, he was wise to you, I guess.

[Al Hanif]

Conversely, I think it is fair and within reason to question the jingoistic designs of a French North African and his American supporter where Pashtoons are the subject and object of war.

As Salam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

She is against the war in Afghanistan.

I am not a French North African, I am a muslim first, I am a muslim second and I am a muslim last.

The link that exists between two muslims is as strong as the link that exists between two brothers. That's why we call each others brothers.

The very fact that you are doubting about my real intentions for that I support the legitimate mujahideens's Jihad (which is a duty in Islam) shows that you're not a mu'minin. For that if you were a mu'min, you would never doubt about your brothers.

I, myself, have full confidence in you. I'd pick you over Catya Sher any day because she is a Kafir and you are a Muslim and Allah SWT has ordained me to practise Al Wala Wal Bara (Love and Hate for Allah's Sake). Even if she supports me and even if you banned me and attacked me, I'd still trust you more than her. Since what you said does not make you out of the boundaries of Islam, I have no reason to think that you are a munafiq so I will proceed into loyalty in regards to your person.

The biggest problem in the Ummah is that there are people who put racial links, tribal links and political links above religious links. I don't judge you for this. By nature, humans are weak.

I would have no problem to exterminate 99% of Moroccans just to save the 1% of Muslims among them if those 99% were Kuffars. Even my own family. I know very few people would do the same thing.

True Islam is not praying 5 times a day in the right timings. True Islam is not fasting every thursday. True Islam is not reading the Qur'an.

True Islam is when you renounce to the one thing you love the most in your life just to please Allah SWT.

When you are ready to give up your wife, your children, all your money and your material goods, everything you love the most just for the sake of Allah SWT.

THIS is true Islam.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Tor Khan ....right on wrora for calling out this Mentally Colonized French slave

Jingoism is precisely wht he does; he hides behind the flawed pretense of Islamic Purity; all of which is inaccurate and inconsistent with the sources themselves and their traditional interpretation.


This dirt bag is completely fraudulent; I hate to say stuff like this as I never want to hurt or disgrace another ethnic group of Muslims; but there was an Arabic show last year from Lebanon detailed the life of Moroccans n France. It was an absolute shame. If this hypocrite was sincere that he'd exterminate 99% of Moroccans for being kuffar; then why hasn't he taken initiative to punish all the Moroccan women who are currently involved in Europe's sex industry? It disheartens me to mention that, but it is true. The fact he hasn't done anything about it demonstrates his insincerity and disgusting motivation to push a shallow agenda and claiming it's from religion.

[Alchemist]

Tor Khan ....right on wrora for calling out this Mentally Colonized French slave

Jingoism is precisely wht he does; he hides behind the flawed pretense of Islamic Purity; all of which is inaccurate and inconsistent with the sources themselves and their traditional interpretation.


This dirt bag is completely fraudulent; I hate to say stuff like this as I never want to hurt or disgrace another ethnic group of Muslims; but there was an Arabic show last year from Lebanon detailed the life of Moroccans n France. It was an absolute shame. If this hypocrite was sincere that he'd exterminate 99% of Moroccans for being kuffar; then why hasn't he taken initiative to punish all the Moroccan women who are currently involved in Europe's sex industry? It disheartens me to mention that, but it is true. The fact he hasn't done anything about it demonstrates his insincerity and disgusting motivation to push a shallow agenda and claiming it's from religion.

again with the sex references lol

there is tourism marriages in yemen....should we discuss that and tie it to you?

[ScimitarXEdge]

again with the sex references lol

there is tourism marriages in yemen....should we discuss that and tie it to you?

Yes again with the sex references; I know you're a homosexual and all so the idea of women and sexuality probably make you cringe; but this is apart of the real world


I'm not the one saying I'd kill 99% of Yemenis just to save the 1% who follow some irrational Saudi manufactured dogma now am I?

Even then, misyar marriages aren't the sex industry,

[ScimitarXEdge]

Al Khaneeth, I hope you start executing the Moroccan women in the sex industry of Europe starting tomorrow. Better make good on your word.

[Alchemist]

This is the way a 30 something year old middle aged man argues? Like a prebuscent girl: "meh....your gay! ...hehehe...fag....hehehe...you are a homo "

It seems that day by day this guys brain keeps shrinking more and more with the hair on his head. Where did Al Hanif make the claim that he was going to turn into a serial killer and hunt for prostitutes? Yet this buffoon always alleges these types of wild tangental and obtuse slander against his opponents on the internet because he lacks the intellect to make a more meaningful argument.

pathetic.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Ah yeah this is from a bucktoothed pock faced Cross-Dressing gender confused wimp who leeches off of the Evil Canadian Capitalist Welfare system and makes threads about Anglo Royalty's perversions like a flamboyant hair dresser canoodling with his "life partner"

Al Khaneeth said that he would kill 99% of Moroccans just to save the 1% he so arrogantly deems to be Muslim based on some Saudi dogma's vision. The fact is if you know anything about the condition of Moroccans in Europe he'd have already taken the charge. If you have watched the Arabic News Lately, there were several shows dealing with Moroccan women in Europe; there's a large amount of them working in the French Pornographic Industry and also in brothels in Holland. Where is Al Khaneeth's murderous escapade over this? This guy is a phony, just like yourself Ms. "Apologist Massoud turned Apologist for the Taliban". If you're so concerned with how peoples perversions are harming the world; why are you more concerned with British Royalty and not Moroccan women? Aren't Muslim women worth more of your concern? Your agenda here is exposed.

What's pathetic is that heshe that works at a Subway Fastfood Chain, and grovels for new gossip about the Anglo Royalty sees themselves as some judge of intellect

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[ScimitarXEdge]

That must be because I'm a mathematician.

if that was the case you wouldn't have so many logical errors

and be ignorant about how set theory disproves a lot of your positions.

[Talal]

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A shoutbox for every single one of these guys..that way they will spare the rest of the bandwidth hopefully