Why Evolutiontheory is just a theory and not an Evidence

[ScimitarXEdge]

l.

its like you can only kill white sheep but not blacks, so blacks will flourish... that is not an example EVOLUTION - change of one species into another...if that were the case...then the "drug resistant" strain will survive even after we stop using anti biotics for a long period of time...
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how would you determine what speciation is and how it's measured?

[Alchemist]

Yes -- macroevolution is large scale changes in gene pools, either through one large change, or compounding out of microevolutionary changes, or smaller changes.

Both micro and macro evolution have been observed scientifically.

wrong ....


first of all, your statement is absolute gibberish.

the gene pool is always changing! Ever heard of the Hardy Weinberg principle?

What is "large scale" suppose to mean anyway?



And show the evidence for macro evolution if you are sincere.

[Alchemist]

how would you determine what speciation is and how it's measured?

Aah!

... you ask!


DO you not know the definition of what a species is?

And you say you are educated?


What is the definition of "species"?

[ozymandias]

let me put it to you like this...

Anti biotics is a human creation. If world war three hits and we stop manufacturing anti biotics, then these drug resistant bacteria will be no more...and the natural strain will flourish again ..and then we rebuild our labs and remanufacture the same anti biotics we won't observe "drug resistance"...

That's not necessarily true. You are basing this off a 3 minute youtube clip that didn't even have that many generations of the bacteria -- and only cited *ONE BACTERIA STRAIN*. Pretty damn small sample size.

Basically, the anti biotics selects for one type of VARIATION of the species...

its like you can only kill white sheep but not blacks, so blacks will flourish... that is not an example EVOLUTION - change of one species into another...

Keep it up long enough, and it would.

if that were the case...then the "drug resistant" strain will survive even after we stop using anti biotics for a long period of time...

THE MUTATIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE OPTIMAL FOR ALL CONDITIONS. THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO REVERT.

GET IT?

Sorry for the caps lock -- you keep ignoring this point.

get it?

No you just don't want to get it.

I think it is you that is ignoring the fact that your 'proof' has been debunked repeatedly.

[ScimitarXEdge]

evidence of macroevolution

PLoS Genetics: The Genomics of Speciation in Drosophila: Diversity, Divergence, and Introgression Estimated Using Low-Coverage Genome Sequencing

[ScimitarXEdge]

Aah!

... you ask!


DO you not know the definition of what a species is?

And you say you are educated?


What is the definition of "species"?

You're evading the question; before we can argue if something undergoes speciation we have to come to an agreement of what it means


what is the definition that you're using?

[ozymandias]

wrong ....


first of all, your statement is absolute gibberish.

the gene pool is always changing! Ever heard of the Hardy Weinberg principle?

What is "large scale" suppose to mean anyway?



And show the evidence for macro evolution if you are sincere.

Evening Primrose (Oenothera gigas)

Kew Primrose (Primula kewensis)

Tragopogon

Raphanobrassica

Hemp Nettle (Galeopsis tetrahit)

Madia citrigracilis

Brassica

Maidenhair Fern (Adiantum pedatum)

Woodsia Fern (Woodsia abbeae)

Stephanomeira malheurensis

Maize (Zea mays)

Yellow Monkey Flower (Mimulus guttatus)

Drosophila paulistorum

Drosophila melanogaster

Apple Maggot Fly (Rhagoletis pomonella)

Gall Former Fly (Eurosta solidaginis)

Flour Beetles (Tribolium castaneum)

Lab Rat Worm, Nereis acuminata

How's that for starters?

[ozymandias]

Heck, I'll just leave this here: Observed Instances of Speciation

[ozymandias]

And this: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

[ozymandias]

Anyway, it's late, and I think you have plenty to look over, and you may need some time to re-read these posts to figure out where you went wrong. I'll post more tomorrow.

[Alchemist]

Evening Primrose (Oenothera gigas)

Kew Primrose (Primula kewensis)

Tragopogon

Raphanobrassica

Hemp Nettle (Galeopsis tetrahit)

Madia citrigracilis

Brassica

Maidenhair Fern (Adiantum pedatum)

Woodsia Fern (Woodsia abbeae)

Stephanomeira malheurensis

Maize (Zea mays)

Yellow Monkey Flower (Mimulus guttatus)

Drosophila paulistorum

Drosophila melanogaster

Apple Maggot Fly (Rhagoletis pomonella)

Gall Former Fly (Eurosta solidaginis)

Flour Beetles (Tribolium castaneum)

Lab Rat Worm, Nereis acuminata

How's that for starters?

Well genius. that is a list of "Species"...some of them are hybrids of the same species....it's like giving me a list of dog types - doberman, pitbull, chihuahua.....


So really...you are being deceptive here.

yeah.... And then posting a link to talkorigin...the bible of every atheist. Classic move.

[Alchemist]

You're evading the question; before we can argue if something undergoes speciation we have to come to an agreement of what it means


what is the definition that you're using?

A group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring...


see that wasn't so hard...

Ah..you are finally ready to learn. This is where it starts. Once you learn what a species is, then you'll see how bogus evolution is.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Ok good .....so then we have seen examples of this happening in the above examples listed above


your denial of it , is simply that , denial.

[ScimitarXEdge]

TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy

I just checked Talkorigins; not a single thing there that promotes atheism or has any philosophical debates regarding religion or the existence or non existence of the supernatural


Alchemist is scapegoating

[ozymandias]

Well genius. that is a list of "Species"...some of them are hybrids of the same species....it's like giving me a list of dog types - doberman, pitbull, chihuahua.....


So really...you are being deceptive here.

yeah.... And then posting a link to talkorigin...the bible of every atheist. Classic move.

Except these are not all the same species -- in fact, by definition, they are all *DIFFERENT* species, since they are all documented cases of specialization. What -- you are now asking us to post examples of specialization -- but cannot use closely related species? This is nothing like a list of dog breeds -- dogs can all mate with each other, and are all the same species.