Why Evolutiontheory is just a theory and not an Evidence

[ozymandias]

Hey Richard Dawkins worshippers. Those weak rebuttals are nice but you will never be able to prove humans came from evolution except if you built a device like a time travel machine.

That same time machine is required to disprove evolution.

I don't know and I don't care if Evolution exists in the nature since it would not contradict Islam because Allah Almighty has power over all things, He is Al-Bāri' The Evolver, The Fashioner, The Designer, Al-Musawwir The Fashioner of Forms, Al-Qahhār The Supreme Subduer, Al-Muhyī The Giver of Life....

But the theory of evolution is just a theory, not a fact. I have no reason to believe in it and I have no reason to believe in your fairy tales with no proof.

Looks like we have another person who does not understand the definition of a scientific theory.

Leonine, you seem to be a muslim but you're actually more brainwashed than those evolutionnist. By supporting american war against Talibans you are taking the path of apostates. I urge you to pray so Allah SWT will lead you to the straight path before it is too late.

118. O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisers, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.
119. Lo! you are the ones who love them but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures [ie. you believe in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel), while they disbelieve in your Book, the Qur'an]. And when they meet you, they say, "We believe". But when they are alone, they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: "Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets )."
120. If a good befalls you, it grieves them, but if some evil overtakes you, they rejoice at it. But if you remain patient and become Al-Muttaqun (the pious and righteous persons), not the least harm will their cunning do to you. Surely, Allah surrounds all that they do.


80. Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the Unbelievers. Evil indeed are the works which their souls have sent forward before them with the result, that Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.
81. If only they had believed in Allah, in the Messenger, and in what hath been revealed to him, never would they have taken them for friends and protectors, but most of them are rebellious wrong-doers.

[ozymandias]

Refuted...there are computer graphic of neanderthals,which shows similarity to the modern day human (how you call it) and they have nothing app-like

Not refuted -- there are fossils that show the exact opposite -- besides, everything-human like is automatically ape-like, because humans *are* members of the ape family.

[Al Hanif]

That same time machine is required to disprove evolution.

HERP DERP.

Looks like we have another person who does not understand the definition of a scientific theory.

DERPITY DERP. I'm a student in Mathematics. You are a dumb evolutionnist.

[ozymandias]

HERP DERP.





DERPITY DERP. I'm a student in Mathematics. You are a dumb evolutionnist.

This doesn't negate the fact that you misused the word 'theory'.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Evolution happens




only in the womb

The irascible genius J.B.S. Haldane, who did so much else besides being one of the three leading architects of neo-Darwinism, was once challenged by a lady after a public lecture. It’s a word-of-mouth anecdote, and John Maynard Smith is sadly not available to confirm the exact words, but this is approximately how the exchange went:

Evolution sceptic: Professor Haldane, even given the billions of years that you say were available for evolution, I simply cannot believe it is possible to go from a single cell to a complicated human body, with its trillions of cells organized into bones and muscles and nerves, a heart that pumps without ceasing for decades, miles and miles of blood vessels and kidney tubules, and a brain capable of thinking and talking and feeling.

JBS: But madam, you did it yourself. And it only took nine months.

[ozymandias]

vening Primrose (Oenothera gigas)

While studying the genetics of the evening primrose, Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries (1905) found an unusual variant among his plants. O. lamarckiana has a chromosome number of 2N = 14. The variant had a chromosome number of 2N = 28. He found that he was unable to breed this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas.


Thats actually not a species if there is such a difference - 28 is doubble of 14.
Its polyploidy.
Its very easy to fabricate and gardeners use this method verry often.
He called it O.gigas (gigas=giant) because of its polyploid genome its cells become bigger and the plant becomes bigger.
Gardeners use the same method to become fruits with bigger sizes.
You need some colchicine(its the venom of the Colchicum autumnale plant) - put it on the reproductive organs of the plants and with big probability the chromosome number doubbles or triplicaets.

By definition, this is a new species, as it cannot breed with it's predecessor, but can breed with it's offspring. Basically, what you are saying is that no matter how many times the request for evidence is met, the deniers are simply going to attempt to change the definitions, and weasel out of the scope of the discussion. The fact remains that a new species was created, and is considered by the scientific community as a case of macroevolution, which is what was asked to be proven. It exists, and has been observed many, many times, so the requested point has been proven.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'm a student in Mathematics. You are a dumb evolutionnist.

Tell me if a set Xi is open , what would the infinite union of sets from i--> infinity be?

[graveyardofempires]

The irascible genius J.B.S. Haldane, who did so much else besides being one of the three leading architects of neo-Darwinism, was once challenged by a lady after a public lecture. It’s a word-of-mouth anecdote, and John Maynard Smith is sadly not available to confirm the exact words, but this is approximately how the exchange went:

Evolution sceptic: Professor Haldane, even given the billions of years that you say were available for evolution, I simply cannot believe it is possible to go from a single cell to a complicated human body, with its trillions of cells organized into bones and muscles and nerves, a heart that pumps without ceasing for decades, miles and miles of blood vessels and kidney tubules, and a brain capable of thinking and talking and feeling.

JBS: But madam, you did it yourself. And it only took nine months.

you wished!

[Al Hanif]

Tell me if a set Xi is open , what would the infinite union of i--> infinity be?

I think you meant if Xi (i=0,...,+infinty) are open sets, what is the nature of Union of Xi for i=0,...,+infinity ?

The answer is that all unions (finite or infinite) of open sets are an open set.

More questions please !!!!

Algebra, Analysis, Toplology, Arithmetics, Geometry.......

I WANT MOARRRRRRRRRRRRR QUESTIONS !!!

[ScimitarXEdge]

[B]Hey Richard Dawkins worshippers. Those weak rebuttals are nice but you will never be able to prove humans came from evolution except if you built a device like a time travel machine.


But the theory of evolution is just a theory, not a fact. I have no reason to believe in it and I have no reason to believe in your fairy tales with no proof.

As a Mathematician you should know what the word Theory means in Science and Math. Theory are principles which explain the how a certain phenomena from evidence that exists.

the remark itself demonstrates you do not study Math at all. Because if you're saying that Evolution is "just a theory" then that would mean "Number Theory, which studies the properties of integer, isn't real according to you. LOL


Your time machine scenario is a nonsequttur, because you'd need a time machine to show that evolution didn't occur. It's a nonsensical conjecture.

[Tjanaparh]

By definition, this is a new species, as it cannot breed with it's predecessor, but can breed with it's offspring. Basically, what you are saying is that no matter how many times the request for evidence is met, the deniers are simply going to attempt to change the definitions, and weasel out of the scope of the discussion. The fact remains that a new species was created, and is considered by the scientific community as a case of macroevolution, which is what was asked to be proven. It exists, and has been observed many, many times, so the requested point has been proven.

Dear friend - You won't believe , but my studies have exactly to do with genetics. I am not discussing here the evolution theories.
But you mistake if a polyploid plant is a new species! The definition of species is not that it cannnot make children with other species!
One example- Rutilus rutilus and Carassius auratus are quiet different species, they belong even to different genus, but you can cross them.
Why the plant cannot breed with its predecessor is beacuse its polyploid, some polyploid plants are even sterile, wen they have a genoma Xn(where x is 3,5,7,9,11......).
Did you ask yourself why some fruts are propagated only by vegetative way? Its because they are polyploid too and the seedlings could be sterile....
a species should have very different genes to be a species, but no scientist does no where to put the border between the species exactly, believe me.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I think you meant if Xi (i=0,...,+infinty) are open sets, what is the nature of Union of Xi for i=0,...,+infinity ?

The answer is that all unions (finite or infinite) of open sets are an open set.

More questions please !!!!

Algebra, Analysis, Toplology, Arithmetics, Geometry.......

I WANT MOARRRRRRRRRRRRR QUESTIONS !!!

Wrong, it should be i=1...Infinity, since 0 is not an index here

....so now explain why every union is open using Epsilon.

[ozymandias]

Dear friend - You won't believe , but my studies have exactly to do with genetics. I am not discussing here the evolution theories.
But you mistake if a polyploid plant is a new species! The definition of species is not that it cannnot make children with other species!
One example- Rutilus rutilus and Carassius auratus are quiet different species, they belong even to different genus, but you can cross them.
Why the plant cannot breed with its predecessor is beacuse its polyploid, some polyploid plants are even sterile, wen they have a genoma Xn(where x is 3,5,7,9,11......).
Did you ask yourself why some fruts are propagated only by vegetative way? Its because they are polyploid too and the seedlings could be sterile....
a species should have very different genes to be a species, but no scientist does no where to put the border between the species exactly, believe me.

Ah, I guess I was not clear enough. Alchemist's definition speciation is that a new species cannot crossbreed with it's parents. I was using his definition to point out that this meets the criteria *he* chose.

As for a more accurate definition of species that fits with science, I agree it is a difficult concept to master -- but that does not mean that macroevolution has not occurred repeatedly, and is not a proven concept.

[Al Hanif]

then that would mean "Number Theory, which studies the properties of integer, isn't real according to you. LOL

What do you mean by "real" ? Number Theory does not contradict the Qur'an which is Allah's SWT uncreated and eternal speech. So I have no reason to criticize it. But the theory of Evolution does contradict the Qur'an so it is a false theory. Believeing in it or promoting it it would be contradicting what Allah SWT has said. But Allah SWT knows better than me what he did created. I am his slave and servant until my last breath and I trust him when he said how humans were created.

I knew picking biology would have been a bad move, I'm glad I choosed math. Your brain is soiled by man-made theories. You biologists are the plague of the scientific community. You suck.

[ozymandias]

What do you mean by "real" ? Number Theory does not contradict the Qur'an which is Allah's SWT uncreated and eternal speech. So I have no reason to criticize it. But the theory of Evolution does contradict the Qur'an so it is a false theory.

You are going to need a *lot* more evidence than that! We are talking on a scientific basis here, so you need scientific proof.

Believeing in it or promoting it it would be contradicting what Allah SWT has said. But Allah SWT knows better than me what he did created. I am his slave and servant until my last breath and I trust him when he said how humans were created.


I knew picking biology would have been a bad move, I'm glad I choosed math. Your brain is soiled by man-made theories. You biologists are the plague of the scientific community. You suck.

You might think that -- but at least they understand basic science, unlike some Math students I can name...