Stoning to Death

[شمله ور خراساني]

If help comes with hidden intentions and interests in your country, then it´s better not to take it otherwise you become a slave of foreigners like the people you are fighting against.

Why should I believe that you know what the intention is of those who are aiding?

The resistance against the US forces could have been easily won via media pressure.

I do not know if its appropiate to say that here but bringing the war to the enemy is an option, too.

Killing, beheading, suicide-blasting women, children and men who have nothing to do with the conflict is the stupidest way of resistance. Kill the people you fight for! HA!

I see you've been using the media to pressure who? AHAHAHAHAH

Civilian disobedience, general strikes etc.

Marxist!

The insurgency cannot come up with these things because they have a bad name. They impose their will on the people but if they are gone, the people turn their backs to them.

Exactly how much personal experience do you have with the insurgency to say all of this? NONE.

I myself am a witness of children throwing stones at Russian soldiers in Kabul. The bravery of Afghans made place for cowardice Arab style!

Yes, I am sure the Russians left because some kids in Kabul threw rocks at their soldiers.

Thanks for the laughs. Really needed that.

[MostafaM]

Quiet the contrary, I admitted nothing. If a launcher here or a launcher there gets in, then so be it. Its not the main vehicle augmenting the damage. Thats being done by the men you see in Refsdahl's video, which is why you are so rabid now. Bring your proof regarding your claims otherwise we cannot take you seriously. Refsdahl, a nonMuslim has bought us frontline pictorials. What do you offer except ideologies that basically support occupation?

Once again, it actually is, per Islamic theology, considered a legitimate jihad since defensive jihad need not be declared by a Caliph. The minute that non Muslim invading armies shoes hit Muslim soil, the defensive jihad can activate. So if the commoner is fighting it and the ANA is fighting for the occupying source, one is actually imperial and one is not. Regarding suicide, mutilation, and the like, all of it stems back to the one single act that augments radicalism: foreign western intervention. Their own social scientists admit it... so who the heck are you for us to believe that its not the case?

I think Ill trust a professor from Cambridge's opinion on assymetric war measures rather than some sell out who cannot produce evidence worth his name. Here is a quote from Professor Barkawai and Dr. Victor Hanson, neocon extraordinaire:

"As Victor Davis Hanson comments, "we in the West call the few casualties we suffer from terrorism and surprise 'cowardly', the frightful losses we inflict through open and direct assault 'fair'.""

Regarding your commentary on military experience, it appears you have none and cannot even come to the simple conclusions offered by Barkawi:

"When those who are weak in conventional military terms seek to fight the strong, they often do so through unconventional tactics and ruses. To do otherwise is to be stupid and risk being mown down by superior firepower. Yet tactics like poisoning families as they break bread expose the weak to charges of barbarity."

Therefore, I posit that the suicide bombs, the mutilations, etc are your and Hamid Karzai's doings. ALL YOURS to account for. They were not going on when your red, white, and blue storm troopers werent building bases in Afghan soil.

Breaking bread with terrorists - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

You can rant here like a mad dog untill eternity but listen to that:

OBL´s plan to trap the US in Afghanistan and defeating them on the expense of the Afghan people who get bombed and killed.

‪Osama bin Laden‬‏ - YouTube


The troopers didn´t come because they didn´t have anything better to do.

They came because the regime that you protect gave shelter, training facilities and weapons to jihadi-groups who operated from Afghanistan and who attacked the trooper´s come country.

You got that so far?

What would a muslim superpower do if it was attacked 9/11 style?

[شمله ور خراساني]

If stoning is barbaric, why did Muhammad (S) do it?

There are many apostates here on PF. Sometimes I think Pashtunforums should change its name ot MurtadForums

[Saifullah]

This was shocking to see the video, but adultery is even more shocking....

Punishment is never supposed to look pretty

[MostafaM]

He refuses to answer my prior post on his answer to stoning.

So Mustafa, one question:

If stoning is barbaric, why did Muhammad (S) do it?

Of course it is barbaric.

Because it´s a abrahamitic legacy of all abrahamitic religions?

[MostafaM]

There are many apostates here on PF. Sometimes I think Pashtunforums should change its name ot MurtadForums

To be murtad, you need to be a "muslim" first, right?

[Saifullah]

It is barbaric, punishment is always babaric because if it wasnt then it wudnt be a deterrent. Human beings wen they watch a guy on death row and he is given death penalty. They wudnt be enjoying it, its not supposed to be enjoyed.

[MostafaM]

I see you've been using the media to pressure who? AHAHAHAHAH

Well, it did work for the Al Qaeda branch in Iraq. They made Spain go out and the whole alliance of the willing crumbled.

Marxist!

So everything that has nothing to do with killing, beheading, cutting fingers and hands etc. is Marxist?

Exactly how much personal experience do you have with the insurgency to say all of this? NONE.

Personal experience?
None.
Do you have any experience with anyone you are talking here about?
I highly doubt it.

Yes, I am sure the Russians left because some kids in Kabul threw rocks at their soldiers.

Thanks for the laughs. Really needed that.

The Russians left because even Afghan kids didn´t bow down and revolted openly.
They didn´t wear burqas to blow up markets full of civilians.....

[MostafaM]

It is barbaric, punishment is always babaric because if it wasnt then it wudnt be a deterrent. Human beings wen they watch a guy on death row and he is given death penalty. They wudnt be enjoying it, its not supposed to be enjoyed.

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

Studies AND the thousands on death-row worldwide have proven that.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

If help comes with hidden intentions and interests in your country, then it´s better not to take it otherwise you become a slave of foreigners like the people you are fighting against.

There are many ways of resistance, many ways of defeating your enemy but the most noble way is to avoid any havouc coming down on your people, the ones you say you wanna fight for.

The resistance against the US forces could have been easily won via media pressure. I do not know if its appropiate to say that here but bringing the war to the enemy is an option, too. We saw how Spain pulled their troops out of Iraq after an attack on a train in combination with the elections there.

Killing, beheading, suicide-blasting women, children and men who have nothing to do with the conflict is the stupidest way of resistance. Kill the people you fight for! HA!

Civilian disobedience, general strikes etc.
The insurgency cannot come up with these things because they have a bad name. They impose their will on the people but if they are gone, the people turn their backs to them.

I myself am a witness of children throwing stones at Russian soldiers in Kabul. The bravery of Afghans made place for cowardice Arab style!

Regarding OBL, even that goes back to the Americans. Their presence in the Arabian peninsula, which he advised and then fought against, their chasing him out of Sudan, etc led to his ill will. So to answer your question, if a Muslim superpower put its troops in the vacinity of the Vatican and created a backlash amongst conservative catholics and backed the occupation of traditional Catholic lands by filling the land with Jews by force and arming them... I would say that the Muslim superpower made its own bed with its intervention.

For the rest, I refer you to my prior, and yet answered by you post that shows the much STRONGER indigenous nature of the Taliban as opposed to your race horses:

Suuuure, impose their will on the people, yet an Afghan historian of the age, professor kakar disagrees with you, despite his distate for the Taliban.

3) You have not proven that the Pashtuns of the southern Afghan basin viewed the Taliban as imposed outsiders. You contradict yourself. If the Afghans are, as you state, so capable of repelling invaders, then the Taliban would have been repelled had they been seen as foreign imposed elements. Instead the evidence is to the contrary:

http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks

" In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets. "

I refer you to Dr. Kakar's text (an anti taliban Afghan historian) regarding how the rural Afghans functioned under the Taliban:

http://www.institute-for-afghan-stud...ntro_kakar.htm

"Although taliban have never been, until recent times, at the pinnacle of military and political power, they are not new to Afghanistan. They have been a component of the religious establishment and have always ways lived in the shadow of other military, political, and economic groups. Mullah Shor Bazar, an Afghan fighter known for inflicting heavy losses on the British during the Third Anglo-Afghan war of 1919, was also a talib, as were Mirwais Khan Hotaki, and Mullah Mushki Alam, who fought against the British occupation of Afghanistan. During the national struggle against the Soviet invaders, taliban fought alongside the Mujahideen mainly under the leadership of Mohammad Nabi, one of the seven sanctioned Mujahideen leaders in Pakistan (also known as "Peshawar Tanzeem" Leaders)."

"In reality, the traditional way of life in villages has changed little by Taliban's rule. The situation of Afghans in the countryside controlled by the Taliban has improved because of increased peace and security, giving them the opportunity to rebuild after two decades of war."

So in summary, you have not successfully proven at the Taliban are imposed (or even as imposed as NATO) or that the US presence is in any way benign.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

The death penalty is not a deterrent.

Studies AND the thousands on death-row worldwide have proven that.

Once again, you started this stupid thread, answer my question:

If stoning is wrong, why did Muhammad (S) do it? Its a simple question, why are you avoiding answering it saiba?

[Saifullah]

In Saudi forget the royal family and all the other nonsense about them, but their criminal laws do work and is a deterrent. It has one of the lowest crimes in the world!

Take afghanistan under those laws, forget the rest of the politics but in terms of crime rate it was really low...

To be honest wen i saw this video it was shocking. But ive seen many dead bodies (working in forensic ward for 2 weeks)...and everyday i wud see 3 or 4 dead bodies, one of a whole family killed by some murderer. Then the next day a murder of a young girl and wen you see that...it will shock you more than this.

[Lemagak]

[QUOTE=Saifullah;483417]In Saudi forget the royal family and all the other nonsense about them, but their criminal laws do work and is a deterrent. It has one of the lowest crimes in the world!

[Saifullah]

Why would there be such a severe punishment in Islam for adultery. I think anybody with a brain would realise that Islam regards adultery as a severe crime. If you consider it as a minor thing, then yes you would find rajm to be barbaric.

I didnt like watching it, but that doesnt mean i deny that the punishment is incorrect for adulterers

[MostafaM]

Once again, you started this stupid thread, answer my question:

If stoning is wrong, why did Muhammad (S) do it? Its a simple question, why are you avoiding answering it saiba?

I answered it by saying that the death sentence is part of all abrahamitic religions.

I am against any form of stoning, killing, beheading etc. just a prophet said it is God´s will.

Is my answer clear now?