Stoning to Death

[MostafaM]

OK so once again, do you believe that this conversation happened? If so, how do you reconcile the fact that a Man who spoke to God brought this as Gods law per your belief system?

No, I doubt that this conversation happened.

I DO NOT BELIEVE!

[MostafaM]

That's a lie because most of their revolts were instrumented by Ulama, especially the ones against Amanullah

if being a mangal was about having a free mind...yours wouldn't be petitioning for farangyan

That uprising was lead by Mullah-e Lang.
A fraud Mullah like yourself.

People who believe are always easy to manipulate by the religious leaders.

[unknownprince]

The Taliban arose to power due to the chaos that was going on in Afghanistan post-Soviet defeat.

2 girls were raped by a corrupted Mujahideen commander (this is around 1994). Seeing this act, the locals went to the local Mullah. As per Sharia law, the Mullah banded together with a bunch of his students, headed out to the Militias commanders base (where the girls were being held) and killed all his guards, and the freed the girls and had them taken to hospitals.

The group of students then proceeded to drag the commander out of the base. They put his body on the ground, and drove a tank over one half of his body- a message.

They then hung his remains from the tank for the rest to see.

This group became known as the Taliban.

They brought peace and security to much of Afghanistan at the time.


Islam prohibits rape unlike christinaity.

Sharia law authorizes the death of murderers and rapists. This is in the Hadiths.

[MostafaM]

In Islam you can't coerce sex with anyone. Even your wife.

It may seem absurd, but if these women were loose to begin with, they usually wouldn't care

I doubt Paris Hilton would put up much resistance. LOL

That´s because the female role models you had life are of that kind, dear Nomad Wolf.

A man can do whatever he wants with a captive of war that he possess legally and who is not converted to Islam.

[unknownprince]

you liar.,


This LIAR is not a pashtun.

He is liar who has come here to spread his desperate message.

Do not lie against Islam you pimp faced ****.


Islam never allowed this.

Your are not what say you are.

Get the f out of here you

[ScimitarXEdge]

This cleric would disagree with you (the vids title may seem partisan against Islam but do watch, he adduces Sahih Hadith for his views)

‪Raping Women is O.K...‬‏ - YouTube

Is there anything in Quran or Sahih Hadith that prohibits rape? I havent seen it in Quran....

But the cleric never sites and reference to support the rape aspect.

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"


Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

[randolph85]

i was looking for the hadiths in bukhari because i know i had read it before. its one of the few, i believe, where the prophet himself set stoning as a punishment. i believe the other was in the case of adultery.

[unknownprince]

Mostafa,

you joke. everyone knows your a fing joke/

stop playing here, no one buys your ****.

This is a Pashtun forum. Pashtuns are Muslims.

Is that clear. now take your slave ridden filthy face away from here.

Even Karzai would take his shoe and shove it up your stinky ass.\

Karzai hates them as much as any Afghan. Stop spreading your slavery here you fake Afghan.

LOL

you guys thought this ****ter was a Mangal.

his whole story was a bunch of BS

[Daniel]

But the cleric never sites and reference to support the rape aspect.

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"


Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

Yes Ive read that it is prohibited to force them into prostitution. Those two Hadith, however, do not prove that taking slaves in a war is consensual or that raping your wife/slave is prohibited and adultry which that case of rape may have been is punished by stoning to death

Here the female slaves are described as "war booty" which is evidence against the absurd notion that taking slaves requires the slaves consent. See Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

[MostafaM]

FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."


FROM THE QURAN - 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.

FROM THE QURAN - 33:50
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."




I am definitly sure that war captives aren´t keen to have intercourse with the guys who have killed their husbands, fathers and brothers.

[ScimitarXEdge]

That uprising was lead by Mullah-e Lang.
A fraud Mullah like yourself.

People who believe are always easy to manipulate by the religious leaders.

ooooH when it's against a mordagow who let french and british men fondle his wife then it's "fraud" Mullah.

Yeah those poor Mangals, they were manipulated out the progress of a European stooge of Germans by rejecting moral decay from pervading their society with his European Degeneracy ahem I mean reforms.


Hmmm I see a pattern here with you; anything that caters to farangyan is "roshan fikr" but anything that rebels against it is "fraudulent"

I'm beginning to doubt you're a Mangal.

[MostafaM]

Mostafa,

you joke. everyone knows your a fing joke/

stop playing here, no one buys your ****.

This is a Pashtun forum. Pashtuns are Muslims.

Is that clear. now take your slave ridden filthy face away from here.

Even Karzai would take his shoe and shove it up your stinky ass.\

Karzai hates them as much as any Afghan. Stop spreading your slavery here you fake Afghan.

LOL

you guys thought this ****ter was a Mangal.

his whole story was a bunch of BS

We got your points.

And now?

You do not like opposition to your comments?

[ScimitarXEdge]

FROM THE QURAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord); who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them: he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."


FROM THE QURAN - 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.

FROM THE QURAN - 33:50
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."




I am definitly sure that war captives aren´t keen to have intercourse with the guys who have killed their husbands, fathers and brothers.

Not if their culture raised them to be that anyways. For the Mushrikeen it was seen as normal

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yes Ive read that it is prohibited to force them into prostitution. Those two Hadith, however, do not prove that taking slaves in a war is consensual or that raping your wife/slave is prohibited and adultry which that case of rape may have been is punished by stoning to death

Here the female slaves are described as "war booty" which is evidence against the absurd notion that taking slaves requires the slaves consent. See Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

well you're looking at the hadith it equates forced sex as prostitution; so its the same.

the wife one

The Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said, “One ofyou should not fall upon his wife like the way an animal does, let there be a messenger between them.” He was asked, “And what is the messenger?” He replied, “Kissing and talking.” (Ad-Daylami)

[Daniel]

THis discussion can be had in the religion section and a new thread can be opened. This thread is about stoning and who agrees/disagrees.

Sorry for derailing the thread but I just acted on impulse after reading replies here and Ive already posted a few replies now tough