Stoning to Death

[unknownprince]

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You know the mordagaw is, don´t you?

Didn´t your parents split up because of.......

yeah guy who thinks the Mangals were manipulated because they spat on a farangay slave



why would my parents split up? Are you grasping again because you're trying too hard to save face little man?

[ScimitarXEdge]

I am not married.

Are you talking out of experience that your wife had with your Arab friends behind your back?

You don´t need to project your failures on others.

of course your not married ....she left you for a German dude....that's what you get for being benamous.

[MostafaM]

yeah guy who thinks the Mangals were manipulated because they spat on a farangay slave



why would my parents split up? Are you grasping again because you're trying too hard to save face little man?

People know you, Mahmud.

For the last 8 years you have been online 24/7.

You left a deep footprint in many forums.

This is my second forum experience after AS....everywhere you seem to be the Cow of Joy. lol

You know what had happened, I won´t elaborat on your family anymore. That´s not appropiate.

[MostafaM]

of course your not married ....she left you for a German dude....that's what you get for being benamous.

I never was married, dude. LOL

People have more to do than trying to fish someone from a forum online.


How´s your agricultural ecology degree going? Still not finished?

[Daniel]

The Hadith posted for rape was rape of a free woman not a slave, there is nothing prohibiting rape of a slave. Scimitar you stated that Islam prohibits "coercion" into sex and thats false as it does "coerce". There is nothing that prohibits rape of a wife/slave in the Quran the supposed word of God in Islam or Sahih Hadith and the Islamic principle and everything in Islam is dichotomized to halal or haram, there is no evidence that rape is haram and that is why the Saudi clerics permit it. Scimitar if youre suggesting those women described in hadith as slaves who the companions had sex with were consensually having sex, its mere speculation and sounds pretty unlikely to me.

There is no explicit clear evidence prohibiting rape of a wife/slave which is why that Saudi cleric permits it.

[unknownprince]

These sayings have been taken out of context on purpose in a means to mock Islam.

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) clearly prohibited such crimes.

When one considers that not even trees were allowed to be cut down.

So it is best to not engage in the neo-con bran of Islamophobic speech. Whereas Chrisitiantiy and Judaism clearly promote such crimes, Islam does not.

Here, read this.


"Jihad involves four things: enjoining the doing of good, forbidding the doing of evil, speaking the truth in a situation of trial, and having enmity for the wrong-doer."
"The mujahid [one engaged in jihad] is he who strives against his own self to obey God."
There are other sayings of Muhammad that prohibit the killing of innocent civilians and the destruction of property, livestock, and land even during times of conflict.
"Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people."


"Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies."




From the above hadiths it is clear that Islam promotes civility and restraint even in times of formal war. War is limited to armies and no burden should fall on the innocent, their property or their means of sustenance.


Basically, all crimes were prohibited.

Things took a while to formulate as Arabs were moving from a paganistic faith to a monothiestic one- the final one.

[MostafaM]

^Saffiya, the prophets wife was a CAPTIVE OF WAR or BOOTY as you may call it.

What´s wrong with you and accepting certain things?

Safiyya bint Huyayy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[unknownprince]

These sayings have been taken out of context on purpose in a means to mock Islam.

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) clearly prohibited such crimes.

When one considers that not even trees were allowed to be cut down.

So it is best to not engage in the neo-con bran of Islamophobic speech. Whereas Chrisitiantiy and Judaism clearly promote such crimes, Islam does not.

Here, read this.


"Jihad involves four things: enjoining the doing of good, forbidding the doing of evil, speaking the truth in a situation of trial, and having enmity for the wrong-doer."
"The mujahid [one engaged in jihad] is he who strives against his own self to obey God."
There are other sayings of Muhammad that prohibit the killing of innocent civilians and the destruction of property, livestock, and land even during times of conflict.
"Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people."


"Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies."




From the above hadiths it is clear that Islam promotes civility and restraint even in times of formal war. War is limited to armies and no burden should fall on the innocent, their property or their means of sustenance.


Basically, all crimes were prohibited.

Things took a while to formulate as Arabs were moving from a paganistic faith to a monothiestic one- the final one.

[Daniel]

These sayings have been taken out of context on purpose in a means to mock Islam.

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) clearly prohibited such crimes..............

This is a red herring; Islam permits rape of a wife/slave, there is a reason why that cleric says its permitted, its because there is no evidence that prohibits it but there is evidence which serves as coercion into sex.

[unknownprince]

This applies to all women and girls. Many hadiths have been misinterpreted on purpose. For Arabs in general, it has been difficult ot get out of their paganistic past. Slowly, the Prophet (pbuh) introduced hadiths that changed them. He was going against a criminal culture where crimes were the norm. There are many hadiths that contradict the ones you keep showing over and over, and people have shown them to you time and again.



Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her. She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her. and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death. He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.

[Daniel]

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Why do you keep posting this, as I mentioned before, this was the rape of free women who was possibly married, this was not rape of a concubine. Sex with concubines is allowed and Mostafa provided the Quranic verses corroborating this claim (permitted are your right hands possession etc).

Again there is a reason why that Saudi cleric states rape of your wife is permitted in Islam, its because there is no evidence to the contrary but evidence for strong coercion into sex if not direct force. Do you honestly believe those women who were taken as slaves by your Prophets companions who then had sex with them did it consensually?

‪Raping Women is O K in islam‬‏ - YouTube

[unknownprince]

It was the rape of a woman. Thats all we know. . You make this distinction up, and it is false.

Do not distort the truth.

[unknownprince]

3. Example: Islam prohibits the molestation and rape of women. It enjoins hijab and prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist.

[unknownprince]

This man is one of the leading authentic voices on Islam and Sharia law.


‪Islam Shariah Law - CAPITAL PUNISHMENT FOR RAPE‬‏ - YouTube