Is the Burqa a Arab Pagan Dress?

[Baygham]

Faye you have an aged europoids woman's chip on your shoulders; but what's really childish here

a few motivated young people who want ardently to repel the destruction of their values and heritage at the hands of low life degenerate Fith Columnists who have sold their souls/dignity and come in as trojan horses to our midst to spread their desire bring us all down with them.

or some prunish New Zealander who's trying to reminisce on her promiscuous aimlessly wandering bohemian hippie days; where she traveled middle eastern countries in search of hashish and ahem as they put it "free love".

If you don't enjoy that many of your opinions are deemed disparagingly by other forum members here; you are more than welcome to fly the coop; but if you do take your farangi servant boys, Toramana and Baygham with you, please give them some extra powerful skin bleaching cream, they want so badly to be accepted into the Ass-Gazing=compliment Northern European societies.

Somebody give this dude 32 acres and a mule or he will never shut up, white man did this, white man got that, my mom was shipped, dad was chained. Victim, victim, victim. I need to cry more, where are my 32 acres, where is my mule. Grandma had a mule in yemen.

Sir, The guys that shipped your grandma and put her in the foundries in US (early yemeni migrants) may have actually helped her(ask the aspiring young who wish to run away from yemen and watan in containers). In any case if abuse was dished out, those culprits are all dead, their children are dead as well. This is a new world move on. Even if you got the damn 32 acres in wyoming what the hell will you do with it.

[IamDZJ]

This one fully hijabed lady climbed up to a bus, she even had dark shades and gloves on, no part of the body was visible. not one hair not an inch of skin, as she was pulling herself up and holding the rail, the gap between the glove and the sleeve revealed 1 inch of skin. You should have seen the eyes of all the guys in anticipation of that one inch. I wont quote what one said but it was horrible and entertaining at the same time. i havent seen eyes like that on south beach. butts all around in string bikinis dont attract the stares that one inch of flesh got, that day in watan.
how articulate of the witch to distract you gentlemen from your islamic obligation of stoning her to death for casting such an evil curse upon your poor souls.
a burqa doesn't grantee humility nor does a bikini define seductiveness. the first one does prevent one from being easily allured in to being brainwashed by the second. modesty simply relies on one's mentality.

[faye]

exactly! dj

[IamDZJ]

that be you? or that infidel, that cast the evil spell.

it's called sarcasm.

[ScimitarXEdge]

This one fully hijabed lady climbed up to a bus, she even had dark shades and gloves on, no part of the body was visible. not one hair not an inch of skin, as she was pulling herself up and holding the rail, the gap between the glove and the sleeve revealed 1 inch of skin. You should have seen the eyes of all the guys in anticipation of that one inch. I wont quote what one said but it was horrible and entertaining at the same time. i havent seen eyes like that on south beach. butts all around in string bikinis dont attract the stares that one inch of flesh got, that day in watan.

That's the sad thing about Anecdotes; anyone can just make them up.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Somebody give this dude 32 acres and a mule or he will never shut up, white man did this, white man got that, my mom was shipped, dad was chained. Victim, victim, victim. I need to cry more, where are my 32 acres, where is my mule. Grandma had a mule in yemen.

Sir, The guys that shipped your grandma and put her in the foundries in US (early yemeni migrants) may have actually helped her(ask the aspiring young who wish to run away from yemen and watan in containers). In any case if abuse was dished out, those culprits are all dead, their children are dead as well. This is a new world move on. Even if you got the damn 32 acres in wyoming what the hell will you do with it.

Baygham, how's that bleaching cream working out for you? do you feel redeemed of your subordinate brown skinned status now? ( Baghyam impersonation: FINALLY!!!!! HOORAY!!), do you feel more alligned/accepted by the pretigious and elite Farangay cultural milieu? Have they patted you on the back with a basket of pork ribs in one hand and the keys to your mobile home in the other? Have you rejoiced in laugher while their piggish snouts resonate? I'm sure they are anxious to bestow honors upon you and give you a privileged seat at the buffet table for your valiant sacrifices in protecting their precious farangiyan assets.

I'm sure right now you're imagining yourself back into the mid 1800's, and McNaughten Sahib is awarding you the Queen's Medal and he places it delicately on your proudly beaming chest, in honor of your service of being a good, obedient sepoy.

[Alchemist]

at this stage in my life, if anyone bothered to check out my butt, i'd take it as a compliment, alchemist, butt i doubt that they do.
what you keep talking about, in my mind, is a minority, that behave in an immoral way. you stress the negative, constantly. there are millions, if not more, who don't take their fantasies to fruition. they can be having those fantasies whether a woman covers up or not. i think the eyes are a very attractive part of a person and some could see those beautiful eyes of a woman and then fatasise the body to go with it.
i have mentioned elsewhere that alcohol is conducive to immoral behaviour and i totally agree that all over the world, more work is needed in improving behaviour and attitudes around sexuality.
personally, i would prefer to live in a society that is not so alcohol obsessed.

Obviously alcohol leads to all kinds of immoralities. Just go to any frat or keg party and watch even siblings indulge in each others playground. Allah forbids what He forbids because of the evil that is in it...likewise when He says that you should cover your self and lower your gaze, He says it for your own good. But your people are so enchanted by the devil's music that you happily dance your way to hell not knowing what is in store for you there.

In any case... it's not your butt or your bust that matters but it's your face that defines your beauty. You could have a great body but if you an ugly face, the men of your culture will refer to you as a "butherface" ...or a "49yarder" (good from far) lol.

you say that only a minority of men act on their desire...but go ask porn king if this true. If it is only a minority why is the porn industry in california BIGGER than hollywood? Why so many strip clubs? Why are little girls practicing pole dancing? Why are there so many babies without fathers? teen pregnencies some of the highest in the world is a western phenomena. Ask Jerry springer if it is only a "minority" who behave immorally. And its not just in the west...in the east, china to thailand they are infamous for the orgies organized for elite business and small children.

The purpose of the burqa and the segregation of the sexes is for the benefit of women. In an ideal society women wouldn't have to work, but would have a man, who would work for her outside and compliment her...she in turn would work for her children and her family building a home. So when I read bayghairat(aka baygham) or what's his face torogozok make a thread saying "women you are liberated...make your decision" I get pissed off because basically what he is saying is that "I as a man, as a brother, a husband, a father, and a son...don't give a rat's ass what you do with your life ...don't care who stares at you as a piece of flesh ..don't care for who you go out there and bust or shake your ass for ...because I am relinquishing my responsibilities towards you". That's why in the west...women are generally raised to believe that they have to pay their own bills and be "indepandent". But even from an economic and social stand point this doesn't help... in Japan the majority of the women are in their 30's and single with no desire for marriage. Surprised that the birth rate in europe and north america hovers around 1.something per family?

And since women like you take compliments from strange men and easily get convinced to get "involved" with them ...how would you expect any form of commitment from a real man? The average guy out there thinks to himself "why buy the cow if the milk is free" ...and in effect that is what you are doing ..you are putting a price tag on your body's worth for men and then walking around displaying your self for the highest bidder. How many men does the average north american woman go through her life? Or maybe i should ask ...how many women does the average north american men go through in his life time? if you ask me ..more than 1 is too much but the average is higher than 5 in North America.

So what do you think is the remedy faye? Or do you think this is a problem at all because the western world fits the darwinian model ... or to say that people are like animals...if a butterfly or a bird or a fish can show off its "beauty" conversly its "good genes" then why not have women parade on stage in bikinies and get rated for their genes ...then crowned miss universe.

[Badlun]

What about the heath issue already referred to?

Enveloping outer garments, such as the burqa, are believed to cause or worsen medical conditions in some individuals.In particular, they contribute to a predisposition for hypovitaminosis D, which can lead to rickets or osteoporosis and may increase the risk of seizures in infants born to affected mothers.
Burqa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dubitsky, Stephanie. "The Health Care Crisis Facing Women Under Taliban Rule in Afghanistan". Washington College of Law. American University. Retrieved 2010-09-15. "Furthermore, the mandatory act of wearing burqas itself causes health risks. They are so heavy and enveloping that they restrict women's activities by making it difficult for them to move. The simple act of walking outside becomes hazardous because the mesh opening severely restricts women's field of vision and they are unable to see their path clearly. In addition, burqas are linked to hearing loss, skin problems, headaches, cardiac disorder, asthma, and also can contribute to mental health problems."

Stuijt, Adriana (2009-05-08). "Women could endanger their health by wearing burqas". Digital Journal. Retrieved 2010-09-15. ""In Ireland, which is experiencing a large influx of muslim immigrants at the moment, women wearing the burqa, doctors are warning, 'are at increased risk of pelvic fractures during childbirth because of vitamin D deficiency due to a lack of sunlight. "And babies born to women with vitamin D deficiency are also more prone to seizures in their first week of life," according to Dr Miriam Casey, expert in Medicine for the Elderly at the Osteoporosis Unit in St James’s hospital in Dublin. The burqa - an all-enveloping outer garment, does not allow enough sunlight through to give women sufficient vitamin D, she warns."

Douglas, David (2007-06-25). "Middle Eastern women may have vitamin D deficiency". Reuters. Retrieved 2010-09-15.

Bandgar, TR; NS Shah. "Vitamin D and Hip Fractures: Indian Scenario". Journal of the Association of Physicians of India 58 (September 2010). Retrieved 2010-09-15. "Social and religious customs that require people to wear concealing clothing, veiling and traditional attire, such as the ‘‘Burqa’’, ‘‘salvar kameez’’ and sari significantly prevents sun exposure.".
Keim, Brandon (2007-06-26). "Could Dressing Conservatively Make Muslim Women Sick?". Wired. Retrieved 2010-09-15.

[faye]

alchemist, i have never been particularly body conscious and now i am 62 i am, due mainly to the problems that arise with it's not working as it once did. so your 'women like me' are not women like me.
what i think needs to be done is, that men all over the planet, need to work out their issues of needing to dominate, own, abuse and intimidate those who do not have their physical strength. if they have that particular mental/emotional defect.
one of the excuses men give for their aggression is, 'it is natural, we've always been like this'. well, if it is natural, why aren't all men like this. they aren't and i maintain that, the majority aren't, just like i will continue to maintain that the majority do not need to make their fantasies about women into a reality.
personally, i think the existence of pornography shows that there is definitely a major screw up (no pun intended) in the view of what sexuality is and the way of being sexual. i saw an article about pornography in america and apparently now, the men are wanting the women to perform in the same manner as they are used to seeing in the videos. the one example i viewed of a porn movie was soooo false and brash, that i hate to think where the overuse of this role model is leading the young.

[Baygham]

That's the sad thing about Anecdotes; anyone can just make them up.

anecdotes are not made up but have happened to someone. Like case reports in medicine. By themselves they could be random occurrences and do not constitute confirmed patterns for they may be random.
To make something up is a lie not an anecdote.
Belief on the other hand is an assumption, every one knows it is made up so it does not need to be called a lie, for it is what it is known to be, made up. So it is a belief that anyone can just make up. Anecdote has to happen, belief doesn't.
But that would be too inconvenient for you to bother with.

[Feroza_Banu]

wow... still going the same subject of burqa?...

[Baygham]

Baygham, how's that bleaching cream working out for you? do you feel redeemed of your subordinate brown skinned status now? ( Baghyam impersonation: FINALLY!!!!! HOORAY!!), do you feel more alligned/accepted by the pretigious and elite Farangay cultural milieu? Have they patted you on the back with a basket of pork ribs in one hand and the keys to your mobile home in the other? Have you rejoiced in laugher while their piggish snouts resonate? I'm sure they are anxious to bestow honors upon you and give you a privileged seat at the buffet table for your valiant sacrifices in protecting their precious farangiyan assets.

I'm sure right now you're imagining yourself back into the mid 1800's, and McNaughten Sahib is awarding you the Queen's Medal and he places it delicately on your proudly beaming chest, in honor of your service of being a good, obedient sepoy.

This black and white, white slave master black slave, world is yours not mine. Never owned a black and never was a black. I am sorry you have been left out of the 'country club' except to clean the dishes but if that is what grandma did, there is no shame in it. My grandma told me of the hard times in the thirties when they buried the dead in 'poozi' as there was no money to buy a 'kaffan'.

The bottom line is, that was a different generation. Move on. There is a black president in your country, I am sure his grandma worked in a factory too, so what. Better than being a biatch in a harem and being traded every few years.

[Baygham]

wow... still going the same subject of burqa?...

no now it is the same
tha sa wai
za sa wam

[Feroza_Banu]

^ma taa ta wanawayal... no za na pahegam che ta tsa waye

[ScimitarXEdge]

What about the heath issue already referred to?

Enveloping outer garments, such as the burqa, are believed to cause or worsen medical conditions in some individuals.In particular, they contribute to a predisposition for hypovitaminosis D, which can lead to rickets or osteoporosis and may increase the risk of seizures in infants born to affected mothers.
Burqa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dubitsky, Stephanie. "The Health Care Crisis Facing Women Under Taliban Rule in Afghanistan". Washington College of Law. American University. Retrieved 2010-09-15. "Furthermore, the mandatory act of wearing burqas itself causes health risks. They are so heavy and enveloping that they restrict women's activities by making it difficult for them to move. The simple act of walking outside becomes hazardous because the mesh opening severely restricts women's field of vision and they are unable to see their path clearly. In addition, burqas are linked to hearing loss, skin problems, headaches, cardiac disorder, asthma, and also can contribute to mental health problems."

Stuijt, Adriana (2009-05-08). "Women could endanger their health by wearing burqas". Digital Journal. Retrieved 2010-09-15. ""In Ireland, which is experiencing a large influx of muslim immigrants at the moment, women wearing the burqa, doctors are warning, 'are at increased risk of pelvic fractures during childbirth because of vitamin D deficiency due to a lack of sunlight. "And babies born to women with vitamin D deficiency are also more prone to seizures in their first week of life," according to Dr Miriam Casey, expert in Medicine for the Elderly at the Osteoporosis Unit in St James’s hospital in Dublin. The burqa - an all-enveloping outer garment, does not allow enough sunlight through to give women sufficient vitamin D, she warns."

Douglas, David (2007-06-25). "Middle Eastern women may have vitamin D deficiency". Reuters. Retrieved 2010-09-15.

Bandgar, TR; NS Shah. "Vitamin D and Hip Fractures: Indian Scenario". Journal of the Association of Physicians of India 58 (September 2010). Retrieved 2010-09-15. "Social and religious customs that require people to wear concealing clothing, veiling and traditional attire, such as the ‘‘Burqa’’, ‘‘salvar kameez’’ and sari significantly prevents sun exposure.".
Keim, Brandon (2007-06-26). "Could Dressing Conservatively Make Muslim Women Sick?". Wired. Retrieved 2010-09-15.

That's exactly what I mean, see you're learning well done.