Is the Burqa a Arab Pagan Dress?

[Toramana]

likewise, you should not force your nudist views on others as an exceedingly vast majority of normal people reject them

Oh really, of the 7 billions humans vast majority only there are few that are living on the fringe....segregated from the rest of humanity...

[unknownprince]

Oh really, of the 7 billions humans vast majority only there are few that are living on the fringe....segregated from the rest of humanity...

yeah .. you

[Baygham]

yeah .. you

Are you still crapping in your pants or did you get over your fear of talking/interacting with women. You are young man, get over this fast for these years wont come back.

Chi zoorrh shi, biya pa mimbar keena, aw chi sa wai, waya.

[IamDZJ]

people will wear what they want to wear. stop being ridiculous guys.

[maneatinglizard]

Hey I heard some pagans wear shirts, we should stop wearing those as well.

Even worse, the jeans came from Christians. Wes should definitely stop wearing them.

Oh, and burqa did not come from pagans, sorry.

[emkhan]

yeah good points arose...
jeans have come from western culture as well so why dont you speak against that ?

[Badlun]

Burqa is a shame for a human being. You are putting on a coffin on a living human being. This is violation of the basic human right of free movement. With burqa no one can freely move. This makes the womenfolk unable to work, drive, see, walk, run, travel, read, pray, talk freely. Its one of the important cause of the waste of human resources. This makes 35 million Pashtun women just as redundant entities all the time laying at homes as out side they have to wear this monstrous dress.

Burka is not an original Pashtun dress.Pashtuns were not wearing before they were Muslims. Pashtuns are there for thousands of years but they are Muslims for 1500 years only. Even today Pashtun women are not wearing burqas in rural areas where they freely participate in economic an agricultural activities.

Burqa has nothing to do with Pashtun traditions. This is just the wrong application of a religious code on Pashtuns. Even Muslims through out the world dont wear it except in the Wahabi Saudi and few other places.Religion has nothing to do with dress otherwise all Muslims would wear exactly the same dress.

[Badlun]

Jeans is a social dress. Its comfortable dress. You dont wear it on your nose, eyes, face, hair as you put on burka on the whole body including your eyes, nose, mouth and face. This is ridiculous to compare jeans with burka. If jeans come from the West we must say welcome to good things from the West which is a developed world and many of us wish to live there.

Yes if jeans are not used then its not that much serious matter as using burka. You have still a civilized choice of wearing shalwar kameez or sarhi, or long falda etc. basically covering the face is really awkward for a human being.

This is important that the origin of Burka is pagan as people make it an Islamic issue so if burka is from pagans then it is not Islamic thus may be avoided for those who use it as a religious duty.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Some people always wonder the origins of the veil. Is is a Islamic dress or is it a dress used by Arab bediuon Women in Arabia?.

Well, the veilling of women is a Arab pagan dress, Arab pagans dressed their women in burqas way before Islam was ever created.

Take this quate for example:-

Roman African Christian Tertullian, writing in Chapter 17 of The Veiling of Virgins around 200 AD,
praises the modesty of those "pagan women of Arabia" who "not only cover their head, but their whole face...preferring to enjoy
half the light with one eye rather than prostituting their whole face."

Remmeber this was written in 200AD, so supporters and promotors of the Burqa, do not get excited because mankind during that period of time was very much different than now.

So, does this mean Islam has aspects of Arab Paganism? If so, why do Muslims promote this sense of happiness of leaving Paganism, but on one hand still keep hold onto some traditions of Pagans, that being veiling themselves?

Answer, NO

proof:

http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=32&translator=3&start=0&number=4087

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin: When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Kitab Al Libas 4090)


how could these women just suddenly start adopting veiling if it was already a custom

as for the quote, show us the actual source with a citation, page number, publisher, translator, volume/edition, year of publication etc etc.

thanks in advance.

[maneatinglizard]

This is violation of the basic human right of free movement.

Who made this a "basic human right?"

You want to talk about Pashtun culture and tradition like it came from God.

Well, I'll tell you that this "basic human right" has been imposed upon you as a "basic human right" by non-Pashtuns.

You want to talk about what is and isn't Pashtun culture and tradition, let's here you criticize the imposition of Western thought and philosophy on your thought process.

[Badlun]

According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) all people are entitled to the recognition of inherent dignity and certain inalienable rights, which are the "foundations of freedom and justice in the world." Freedom of movement is part of the "liberty of man" (Jagerskiold) thus making it one of the most basic human rights. Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights stipulate:


Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and return to his country.

The above is about the freedom of movement within a state or between states and one can imagine how a lonelly Pashtun woman can move with her burqa.

Enveloping outer garments, such as the burqa, are believed to cause or worsen medical conditions in some individuals.In particular, they contribute to a predisposition for hypovitaminosis D, which can lead to rickets or osteoporosis and may increase the risk of seizures in infants born to affected mothers.
Burqa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dubitsky, Stephanie. "The Health Care Crisis Facing Women Under Taliban Rule in Afghanistan". Washington College of Law. American University. Retrieved 2010-09-15. "Furthermore, the mandatory act of wearing burqas itself causes health risks. They are so heavy and enveloping that they restrict women's activities by making it difficult for them to move. The simple act of walking outside becomes hazardous because the mesh opening severely restricts women's field of vision and they are unable to see their path clearly. In addition, burqas are linked to hearing loss, skin problems, headaches, cardiac disorder, asthma, and also can contribute to mental health problems."

Stuijt, Adriana (2009-05-08). "Women could endanger their health by wearing burqas". Digital Journal. Retrieved 2010-09-15. ""In Ireland, which is experiencing a large influx of muslim immigrants at the moment, women wearing the burqa, doctors are warning, 'are at increased risk of pelvic fractures during childbirth because of vitamin D deficiency due to a lack of sunlight. "And babies born to women with vitamin D deficiency are also more prone to seizures in their first week of life," according to Dr Miriam Casey, expert in Medicine for the Elderly at the Osteoporosis Unit in St James’s hospital in Dublin. The burqa - an all-enveloping outer garment, does not allow enough sunlight through to give women sufficient vitamin D, she warns."

Douglas, David (2007-06-25). "Middle Eastern women may have vitamin D deficiency". Reuters. Retrieved 2010-09-15.

Bandgar, TR; NS Shah. "Vitamin D and Hip Fractures: Indian Scenario". Journal of the Association of Physicians of India 58 (September 2010). Retrieved 2010-09-15. "Social and religious customs that require people to wear concealing clothing, veiling and traditional attire, such as the ‘‘Burqa’’, ‘‘salvar kameez’’ and sari significantly prevents sun exposure.".
Keim, Brandon (2007-06-26). "Could Dressing Conservatively Make Muslim Women Sick?". Wired. Retrieved 2010-09-15.

[Wrayun]

I think the choice to wear one or not, should be up to the women. We men, should stay out of it.

Case closed.

[Badlun]

There is evidence that this type of dress was worn by some Arab and Persian women long before Islam. For example, the Roman African Christian Tertullian, writing in Chapter 17 of The Veiling of Virgins around 200 AD, praises the modesty of those "pagan women of Arabia" who "not only cover their head, but their whole face...preferring to enjoy half the light with one eye rather than prostituting their whole face."[1] Strabo, writing in the first century AD, also refers to covering the face as a practice of some Persian women (Geography 11.13. 9–10).

1. Tertullian's Latin reads: "Iudicabunt nos Arabiae ethnicae feminae ethnicae quae non caput, sed faciem quoque ita totam tegunt, ut oculo liberato contentae sint dimidiam frui lucem quam totam faciem prostituere."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa

[Badlun]

Education is to bring proper change in behavior. Reformation is to correct some social or other evils in a society, We learn, teach, instruct, obey, share. Doctor asks the patient to do this and dont do that. We have human resource development and management courses and capacity building sessions. We have training programs. We enact laws and implement it. We have parliaments and we promulgate constitutions. We have counselling classes and consultancies.We have these forums to discuss, learn and share.

Why? Because we need others and others need us. Women who are using this subhuman dress of burqa must be made aware of its shortcomings. This can be done by men or women equally. How can we leave some one to do what they want if we are convinced that thats not proper to be done or practiced

Burqa is soem thing bad and we must resist it and educate others about it.

[ScimitarXEdge]

So much for just coming here to casually discuss issues without any serious intention.

Looks like people have showed their true colors now