Muhammed pbuh married a 9 year old

[Karachi]

Look bro, if you and Badlun are closeted atheists who doubt Islam than thats your problem, but there is no need to criticize an event you were not even there yourself to witness. I wasn't blaming anybody, and if you think the prophet was the kind of person then you are a kaffir by default to assume such a thing.

and no hadiths say anything about him having sexual relations with Aisha, your making stuff up.

Criticize what? every mullah of Islam confirms this. I am not saying it, the Islamic scholars and mullahs are

[Brown Skinned Savage]

The reality is, in the middle eastern, central asian and even south asian cultures there is really no such thing as pedophilia. This is why things like Bacha Bazi are happening

Islam is a product of these cultures, this is why it is pretty normal for a 54 year man to marry a 9 year old. Even though it is so wrong

Bacha Bazi operates on a different process entirely. Because the attraction to these boys isn't because they're pre-pubescent but because they kind of resemble girls in some sense. It's due to the idea that contact with women is sacrosanct so the boys become a "surrogate".

Well Islam may have arisen from these cultures but I don't see what you mean when you say it is a "Product", can you elaborate on that?

Also, you seem to be affirming your own belief about the matter, i.e. "they're wrong because they're wrong", if it is normal for them to marry a 9 year old with a 54 year old, how could it be wrong?

[Karachi]

Bacha Bazi operates on a different process entirely. Because the attraction to these boys isn't because they're pre-pubescent but because they kind of resemble girls in some sense. It's due to the idea that contact with women is sacrosanct so the boys become a "surrogate".

Well Islam may have arisen from these cultures but I don't see what you mean when you say it is a "Product", can you elaborate on that?

Also, you seem to be affirming your own belief about the matter, i.e. "they're wrong because they're wrong", if it is normal for them to marry a 9 year old with a 54 year old, how could it be wrong?

this is why Islamic conservatism basically has a opposite effect of what even Islam teaches, it makes people gay. This is why there are so many gays in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so many other muslim countries. Sodomizing of young boys and men is pretty common, since there are no women to even to talk too. Why dont muslim openly talk about this?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

this is why Islamic conservatism basically has a opposite effect of what even Islam teaches, it makes people gay. This is why there are so many gays in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so many other muslim countries. Sodomizing of young boys and men is pretty common, since there are no women to even to talk too. Why dont muslim openly talk about this?

You can't "Make" people gay, being gay is a biological compulsion. If someone is gay, it's because that's their innate sexual orientation. If you believe liberal societies lack gays, you should walk around in New York City.


The problem I'd say is more financial and economic, but even that is over simplified. It has also to do with cultural/social hierarchies. I'll speak more on this later.

[Badlun]

You can't "Make" people gay, being gay is a biological compulsion. If someone is gay, it's because that's their innate sexual orientation. If you believe liberal societies lack gays, you should walk around in New York City.


The problem I'd say is more financial and economic, but even that is over simplified. It has also to do with cultural/social hierarchies. I'll speak more on this later.

What a post. Kudos.
Congrats on speaking the pure truth. Being gay is innate . But then why Sharia bans and punishes homosexuality and sodomy?

[Brown Skinned Savage]

What a post. Kudos.
Congrats on speaking the pure truth. Being gay is innate . But then why Sharia bans and punishes homosexuality and sodomy?

Social engineering, just because someone has a biological problem, doesn't mean they can act on it.

[Karachi]

You can't "Make" people gay, being gay is a biological compulsion. If someone is gay, it's because that's their innate sexual orientation. If you believe liberal societies lack gays, you should walk around in New York City.


The problem I'd say is more financial and economic, but even that is over simplified. It has also to do with cultural/social hierarchies. I'll speak more on this later.

yes, but i am talking about even heterosexual males having gay sex because they dont have women to have sex with. This is what constitutes 90% of gay sex in those countries. Clearly the system/environment they live in has failed them. Islamic conservatism is a big fail!

[Brown Skinned Savage]

yes, but i am talking about even heterosexual males having gay sex because they dont have women to have sex with. This is what constitutes 90% of gay sex in those countries. Clearly the system/environment they live in has failed them. Islamic conservatism is a big fail!

That's not "being" gay or "making" someone gay. And that as I said has other factors like economics and expectations about male roles in society as provider etc etc. The increased burden due to increased life demands has probably promulgated much of this.

Your analysis seems to ignore those external factors. So your conclusion is a bit faulty.

[Badlun]

That's not "being" gay or "making" someone gay. And that as I said has other factors like economics and expectations about male roles in society as provider etc etc. The increased burden due to increased life demands has probably promulgated much of this.

Your analysis seems to ignore those external factors. So your conclusion is a bit faulty.

This male role as provider has been sanctioned by Quran and Sharia.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

This male role as provider has been sanctioned by Quran and Sharia.

And biological evolution for the most part. It's not a problem with male provider role since that's how we evolved.


But it was never meant to be that economic type of economic barriers in preventing it from happening. This is something that's been imposed by artificial factors.

[Damir9000]

This just one of the stuff that never made sense to me.

It essentially boils down to.

A) Muhammad had sex with 9 year old girl.

Since, he was a perfect muslim and a example to follow.
Then we should all marry 6 year old and marry off our daughters to old men.

B) Muhammad had sex with 9 year old girl. But it was because he was man of his time.

So, Muhammad is not an example to follow for modern society.

C) Aisha was not 9 years old but older.

The hadiths are incorrect. Muslims shouldn't follow the hadiths.
Half of the Islamic faith is put into question.



Muslims are between a rock and hard place.

[khushal]

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The hadiths are incorrect. Muslims shouldn't follow the hadiths.
Half of the Islamic faith is put into question.



Muslims are between a rock and hard place.

There are Hadiths that contradict each other and there are hadiths that contradict the Quran. There are weak Hadiths and strong Hadiths.

My main question is that out of all the criticism the the Prophet faced from enemies all around him, why did not one of his time criticize this marriage and why did no one criticize this marriage until the 20th century?

[Damir9000]

There are Hadiths that contradict each other and there are hadiths that contradict the Quran. There are weak Hadiths and strong Hadiths.

My main question is that out of all the criticism the the Prophet faced from enemies all around him, why did not one of his time criticize this marriage and why did no one criticize this marriage until the 20th century?

Aisha being 9 years old is from the accepted hadiths that compose Sunni Islam.
You can check it out yourself. A lot of Mullahs & Sheiks accept it and try to justify it. If you don't follow the hadiths, then you are not a sunni muslim.

The world has changed. Morality has improved.
Most people didn't even understand their own religion until now.
Muslims at my mosque only read & recite the qu'ran in arabic but do not understand it. Their understanding of their religion comes from ignorant mullahs, sheikhs & Imams.


If it's not a problem for you,
will you marry off your 6 year old daughter & let her get deflowered at 9?

[khushal]

your going off on a tangent

[Damir9000]

your going off on a tangent

The Aisha marriage dilema is bigger than simply The prophet being a pedophile or not.