Originally posted by ComradePashtun
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Parsiwan,
I am sorry that what I say is not a tune in your Setami ears and doesn't fit your own version anti-Pashtunism.
I ask you again to enlist those of the Pakistani foreign policy aims in Afghanistan in Taliban period so we can conclude whether Afghanistan could be accounted for as a colony. What is hard for you to do that? My views are more hostile towards Taliban than I could imagine others' in this forum. But I have my own reasons. I am also against every aspect of Pakistan's involvement in our country. But our relations with Pakistan is not a zero-sum. Just as you may allege that Pakistan uses certain Pashtun froups for its own ends - I would rather argue the other way around. Very good that Hekmatyar and Taliban used Pakistan.
Fancy words it your habit. How can you claim that Pashtuns in PK were not affected by the war? What cheap labour? That cheap labour I don't think helped the very millions of Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns who live on the verge of poverty line themseslves. I don't blame them when they say that Afghan were strain on their local economy. Can you even account for the destruction that they have gone through over the past 9 years? What aid got to them? Where else would have you sold your carpets, Parsiwan?
I am aware of Pakistani interest, even today many Pashtuns are supporting Taliban for the very reasons as they did in the 90's. Despite my seemingly anti Taliban views, I have never supported their sumbmission to the current set up haphazardly. It has to come through genuine political solution. I just want them to be moderate and willing to negotiate. Although I don't agree with their ideologies but the dog of Taliban is better than the entire NA.
I don't give a crap about your refugee experience in Pakistan and their banks and other institutions. They could hardly feed their own population. I know my nation and I believe in my people.
Yes there were arabs and others but that was what was largely due to circumstance. Your leaders brought and embraced Abdullah Azam, Bin etc. before the Pashtuns did. Yes Pashtun tribalism was the reason your mother give birth to you, everything bad with you noble boy-players is Pashtun fault.
I know you goons and what you are capable of. All you did was rape Kabuli women and loot their household than building ANA and ANP and governance. Massoud in ploy with his Prachamis pushed Hekmatyar out of Kabul and marginalised Pashtuns and rejected every Afghan character of the country. I cannot more eloquently explicate it than Taronama has in his post.
Why did Masoud not co-opt Dostum and Hazaras then? Why did Hazaras and Dostum side with Hekmatyar then? What were Massoud'd plans?
As for Pashtun and Prasiwan women - your claim is rideculous and laughable. Parsiwans are known for their women if anything. Thank you. Our women are strong alahmdulilah and very introvert and preserved in proud Pashtun character - dranday dee! Thank you.
As for education, I am once again saying this that on our local standard Pashtuns will beat you in any field. By the way Jalalabad university was ranked the first till few years ago - I don't know about it now, if anything it might be second to Kabul in where I know for a fact that Pashtuns and Hazaras are the brightest.
Generally we are ba-estedad people and this is a known fact. Kabul university and other private universities are packed with Pashtun females. It is so nice reading Pashtun female profiles for their accomplishments in institutes like the American univerity of Afghansitan, despite the fact that for years they were descriminated against for even enrolling in the most fare international university by Farsiwans and Hazaras administrators. These and other descrimination thanks to these forces have sends schocks and has created deep awareness in Pashtun community in Afghansitan on many levels. In war-torn regions it is unfortunate that our people are deprived from all baisc ammenities. That is the dark side of war. Inshallah we will regain our prominance.
Nadir Shah's action cannot be judged accordintg today's standard. After all he had to despose a foreign agent and bandit from power who looted all Kabul and even Pashtun regions. By the way my grad dad's dad also participated in the battle.
How was Gul Muhamed Khan Momand a British agent?lol Every one is an agent according to you. You denounce Shenwari tribe for standing against Taliban, if they didn't you would still find a reason to loosen that trap of yours. You entire clan is a foreign and occupation mercenary.
I am sorry that what I say is not a tune in your Setami ears and doesn't fit your own version anti-Pashtunism.
I ask you again to enlist those of the Pakistani foreign policy aims in Afghanistan in Taliban period so we can conclude whether Afghanistan could be accounted for as a colony. What is hard for you to do that? My views are more hostile towards Taliban than I could imagine others' in this forum. But I have my own reasons. I am also against every aspect of Pakistan's involvement in our country. But our relations with Pakistan is not a zero-sum. Just as you may allege that Pakistan uses certain Pashtun froups for its own ends - I would rather argue the other way around. Very good that Hekmatyar and Taliban used Pakistan.
Fancy words it your habit. How can you claim that Pashtuns in PK were not affected by the war? What cheap labour? That cheap labour I don't think helped the very millions of Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns who live on the verge of poverty line themseslves. I don't blame them when they say that Afghan were strain on their local economy. Can you even account for the destruction that they have gone through over the past 9 years? What aid got to them? Where else would have you sold your carpets, Parsiwan?
I am aware of Pakistani interest, even today many Pashtuns are supporting Taliban for the very reasons as they did in the 90's. Despite my seemingly anti Taliban views, I have never supported their sumbmission to the current set up haphazardly. It has to come through genuine political solution. I just want them to be moderate and willing to negotiate. Although I don't agree with their ideologies but the dog of Taliban is better than the entire NA.
I don't give a crap about your refugee experience in Pakistan and their banks and other institutions. They could hardly feed their own population. I know my nation and I believe in my people.
Yes there were arabs and others but that was what was largely due to circumstance. Your leaders brought and embraced Abdullah Azam, Bin etc. before the Pashtuns did. Yes Pashtun tribalism was the reason your mother give birth to you, everything bad with you noble boy-players is Pashtun fault.
I know you goons and what you are capable of. All you did was rape Kabuli women and loot their household than building ANA and ANP and governance. Massoud in ploy with his Prachamis pushed Hekmatyar out of Kabul and marginalised Pashtuns and rejected every Afghan character of the country. I cannot more eloquently explicate it than Taronama has in his post.
Why did Masoud not co-opt Dostum and Hazaras then? Why did Hazaras and Dostum side with Hekmatyar then? What were Massoud'd plans?
As for Pashtun and Prasiwan women - your claim is rideculous and laughable. Parsiwans are known for their women if anything. Thank you. Our women are strong alahmdulilah and very introvert and preserved in proud Pashtun character - dranday dee! Thank you.
As for education, I am once again saying this that on our local standard Pashtuns will beat you in any field. By the way Jalalabad university was ranked the first till few years ago - I don't know about it now, if anything it might be second to Kabul in where I know for a fact that Pashtuns and Hazaras are the brightest.
Generally we are ba-estedad people and this is a known fact. Kabul university and other private universities are packed with Pashtun females. It is so nice reading Pashtun female profiles for their accomplishments in institutes like the American univerity of Afghansitan, despite the fact that for years they were descriminated against for even enrolling in the most fare international university by Farsiwans and Hazaras administrators. These and other descrimination thanks to these forces have sends schocks and has created deep awareness in Pashtun community in Afghansitan on many levels. In war-torn regions it is unfortunate that our people are deprived from all baisc ammenities. That is the dark side of war. Inshallah we will regain our prominance.Nadir Shah's action cannot be judged accordintg today's standard. After all he had to despose a foreign agent and bandit from power who looted all Kabul and even Pashtun regions. By the way my grad dad's dad also participated in the battle.

How was Gul Muhamed Khan Momand a British agent?lol Every one is an agent according to you. You denounce Shenwari tribe for standing against Taliban, if they didn't you would still find a reason to loosen that trap of yours. You entire clan is a foreign and occupation mercenary.

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