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[Toramana]

Tormana,

Excuse me but your either a fool or a god... seriously forget about that role was aimed or what it was not aimed... look at the end product...total destruction and ruin of afghan state, total control of afghanistan, a backward, ruin and subjected afghanistan under the name of Islam...which was actually run by Pashton ISI officers.

Which ISI-Pashtun officers by the way? Could you name a few except General Babar who was retired and a political leader not a serving general? Or would you go on parroting that non-sense?

The two Afghan Pashtuns who were released from Guantanamo and who later wrote a book explicitly said, all matters are controlled by Punjabi officers and Pashtuns are not trusted much in ISI.

Pashtuns are not powerful in ISI man. Educate yourself. Gen Akhtar, Hamid Gul, etc. are not Pashtuns neither are Gen Mahmoud Ahamd, Colonal Imam, etc.

[parsiwaan]

Karmal was Tajik or may be rather a Kashmiri immigrant. Just like Abdullah X 2 claimed to be a Kandahari Pashtun and dreamt of becoming president.LOL

As a matter of fact Abdullah is the son of Abdul Qodus Khan Panjsheri. Haha

Some Kandahari clerk or lawyer met his mom and married her... I don't know the whole storry. Karmal also lied and once he become the president it all transpired who he really was - a fraud Tajik.

Make up your mind... was karmal a tajik or a Kashmiri immigrant? seriouslly how many tajiks generals you can name during Zahir/Doud khan time?

Yea maybe Shah Shuja also lied..he was son of a Tajik in Durrani court hahahha funny part is first you call karmal Tajik then now you claim he is Kashmiri... as for as Abdullah Abdullah the dude father is Kandhari pashton...i know for a fact b/c my i have a far relative that is married to Abdullah uncle--fathers brother.. the story of his mother second marriage is all bs pota Khazana style.

[Toramana]

Karmal's ethnic background is rather hazy, as was common among those born in or near Kabul. He claimed to be Pushtun (the dominant ethnic group in Afghanistan). Most evidence, however, linked him to a Tajik or Qizilbash, Persian-speaking background. Ethnic origin was still important in the Afghan political system, even in the Marxist, Russian-dominated regime.

http://www.answers.com/topic/babrak-karmal

Another source.

http://www.afghanland.com/history/karmal.html

[Toramana]

"In 1983 Masoud agreed to a temporary cease-fire with the Soviets"

Los Angeles Times, April 26, 1999
By DEXTER FILKINS


In 1975, at the age of 22, Masoud led a revolt--later known as the Panjsher Valley Incident--aimed at toppling the regime. Most of his colleagues landed in jail, but Masoud made a narrow escape--his first of many. After receiving military training in Pakistan, Masoud returned to Afghanistan in 1978.
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In 1983, Masoud agreed to a temporary cease-fire with the Soviets, who were then free to attack other areas. To this day, some of Masoud's old rivals express deep bitterness at his dealings--which may have kept him alive but made their lives much worse. "Masoud deceived everyone," said a former commander of the moujahedeen, or holy warriors.
The American spy who headed the CIA's efforts against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan credited Masoud with impressive military feats. But he added that, in the later years of the war, Masoud spent most of his time preparing for the coming civil war--not fighting the Communists. "He was not that reliable," said Milton Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan during the war. "Toward the end, he spent most of his energies on consolidating his own position." Masoud said he agreed to the 1983 cease-fire to buy time to build up his forces. Barnett Rubin, an Afghanistan expert at the Council of Foreign Relations in New York, said Masoud spent the year setting up a vast political organization across northern Afghanistan. "Masoud was a very effective leader and a very effective fighter," said a former CIA agent, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "One of the criteria of an effective fighter is, you don't pick fights you can't win." Masoud led the final drive into Kabul in 1992 and became defense minister in the new government. Shooting broke out among the moujahedeen almost immediately. The fighting, which lasted four years, destroyed Kabul and killed tens of thousands of Afghans. Thousands more were maimed, raped and robbed.
… in one terrible incident in 1993, documented by the State Department, Masoud's troops rampaged through a rival neighborhood, raping, looting and killing as many as a thousand people.
http://www.rawa.org/massoud3.htm

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Guys everyone control your language, no need for such terms. One can discuss political issues without resorting to personal attacks.

Parsibaan the pashtunistan issue predates Sardar Daoud, it was just accelerated during his regime. And btw Bacha Khan sent his own kid Ghani Khan to help during the political problems during the overthrow of Amanullah and onwards. Before you go around insulting a man of his political stature take a good look.

Second of all, I am aware that refugees from Afghanistan were mistreated in camps in peshawar. However so were people of swat, buner and tribal areas. This isn't something that was simply done to the people of Afghanistan...it was to the refugees of Pashtunkhwa as well. However the locals outside of places like Peshawar did help not only the Pashtuns of Afghanistan but Khyber Pashtunkhwa as well. Peshawar is not the beginning or the end of Pashtuns. Swat (the member) is from swat valley so his experience is based on what happened there and swatiyaan didn't harrass Afghanistan Pashtuns nor mistreated them. Same goes for the other areas of PATA, FATA and south Pashtunkhwa. My own family has close relations with Pashtuns right across and we lived side by side with them. No conflict nothing. Basically comrade pashtun answered it perfectly. In fact Panjab and sindh treated the people of malakand division worse than any other refugee community, we were disbarred from entering there during our refugee crisis. No one can deny the mistreatment of the camps, it was horrible when it happened to our own from Afghanistan, it was horrible to the people of swat/buner and it is horrible for the people in the tribal areas.

[parsiwaan]

Ya, the usual Tajak craftiness/crookedness. My friend, how many KP Pashtuns moved to Afganistan to destroy it, by the way? On the contrary, there were millions of Parsibanans that swarmed Peshawar and other parts of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa like cockroaches and drained that impoverished province of its limited resources and strained its infrastructure.

How about the frontier forces, taliban defense minster and all those cultureless punjabis dog...pashton officers of ISI and militarily that were caring Taliban war machine. As for as Parsibaans in NWFP, the people your calling "cockroaches" are actual your own pashtons...not many Parsibaan had come to Pukistan...most had gone to Iran...the few there actual brought culture to the stinky city of savages called Peshware.. check frontier post editorial where they admitted that thanks to farsiwans the city has culture...i remember that when a female used to go to Sadar Bazar without male ..she used to get pinch by Peshwaris, Shama Cenama..used to show porn movies openly... Bad a Bahar was known place of homo...there were gun, drug, and total savagery where women were lock in city... i have worked for UN for 6 years in that god dam country... thanks to afghans you have music, and culture.

Till me one thing, Parsiban, you are compailing too much of improper treatment of Parsibans at the hands of Pashtuns of KP (whom you stayed with for almost 2.5-3 decades and some are still staying there), why then you kept coming there? Why didn't you seek refuge with your ethnic/sectarian/linguistic kins and brethern accross Amu or Herat?

If i could i would burn the god dam pukistan all togather... but the thing is those few refugees that you call parsiwaan are actual your own pashton.. there are not many Tajiks refugees in NWFP...but lets not forget the orginal people of area were all Tajiks... this is why you can even find people with Tajik last name even today all over NWFP. The land were all ours to began with.

What an ungrateful and ignoble people you are. Despite the burden you put on KP economy and the Gelam Jami activities some of you resorted to and the immorality that resulted from that, Pashtuns of Pukhtunkhwa seldom said you should be expelled by force or agitated for it although they might not have liked interacting with you for your gawdy behavior and loose and lousy culture.

You are true pakistan... you suck blood of afghans and then you cry how much painful where for you to do that...here is a study done by UNHCR... the fact is afghan refugees had help you cultureless animals. I told you before i worked for UN and i know a lot.


http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/type,C...8099a15,0.html

"Additionally, many urban refugees were opening small businesses that helped boost the economy, particularly in Peshawar, and others provided cheap labor for Pakistani businesses."


"The study added, "The government's public endorsement of mass detention has given license for police corruption." For every man whom the authorities deport, they reportedly stop or detain a number of others and demand bribes in exchange for not deporting them. Before the mass refoulement, police in Peshawar accepted bribes of only 10 to 20 rupees ($.16 to $.32). However, they now demand bribes of 200 to 300 rupees ($3 to $5). "



About morality...would you like me to post vid of your people? Just check your pm i will send u the link.

Mr Parsiban, it is on record Pashtuns fought valiently whoever invaded their land independent of whether they were able to repel the invaders or not. All the Afghan wars and the almost one and half century of Pashtun resistance to British imperialism in KP are a witness to that not to mention the resistance to Russians. Nations resist aggression to maintain their freedom. However, you can call it anything out of your anti-Pashtun biase.

lol fought who and for what? didn't Pathan regiment were doing British fighting during world war I and II? or against Iraq and even Afghanistan? Or maybe you call the total distraction of Afghanistan at the USA war against Soviet a victory? ha?
Here is another link for you... educate youself

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html


"According to this 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, the CIA's intervention in Afghanistan preceded the 1979 Soviet invasion. This decision of the Carter Administration in 1979 to intervene and destabilise Afghanistan is the root cause of Afghanistan's destruction as a nation"

You see you were all pawn at the hands of USA known ***** the cultureless, center of filth Porkistan. Today your fighting Arabs war and in process not only lost political power but are getting killed like sheep by Arabs, by NETO and even by your old daddies the daal eaters Punjabis. OO BALAA BALAA HEERPAAA.

As for invading Pashtun lands, there couldn't be worst invasion of Pashtuns than when Tajak warlords in collaboration with commie Tajak generals and backing from Iran, Russia, Tajakistan, etc., took Kabul the heart and capital city of Afghanistan by force and declared Afghanistan to be "Yak Kishwar-i-Farsi Zaban" as if Pashtuns didn't exist and had no role in shaping Afghanistan. That was a nacked expression of Tajak chauvinism and an aggression/invasion against/of Pashtuns, who had defended Afghanistan with their blood for all the three hundred years since it was established.

I don't blame you....paksitan was conceived was the biggest rascality in world...the country is based on lies, the government is frude and people are the most oppressed and cultureless backward in whole world...while the country call itself Islamic...in urban Pakistan people fallow old Hindu culture of caste system... i have been to punjab..from multan, Lahore, gujrawala and rest of country... indeed the rascality of punjabi militarily is to the point that when Bangalis were righteously demanding their independent the militarily generals call Bengalis Hindu...this is why more then 1-3 million Bengalis were slather and another 1 million rape. So yea Pashtons General Asef Delawar...cheif of army stuff of Rabbani, pashton general Azmai commander of Garnezoon Markazi and half Pashton General Momeen were all farsiwaans.. lol what I find amazing is you did not answer my question… can you deny Afghanistan and whole region being Farsi region? Are you as Pakistani not that much subservient to Farsi culture that you can not even complete a sentence in your national language without farsi ? Your country name Pak-****an(istan) a pure Farsi word, Punjab(five river) pure farsi, QasaKhawni in peshware—pure farsi…Baliasaar pure farsi, no matter how much English with your crazy accent meneshtaar,, gonameent lol you use… its Farsi that allows you to communicate and gives you ID…instead of accepting the regions collative language and culture---Farsi… you are denying your own heritage.

Here enjoy this great son by Pashtons and Tajik singers about great Parsi..

YouTube - Arif Kayhan, Taher Shabab, Sediq Shabab, Khaled Kayhan - PAARSI KayhanStudios production 2010 HQ


Dil nest dilee mast Farsi.. ghaw ghee koo Taroom Daryaast Farsi... Az shaam ta ba Kosha az Sind ta khojaar... Haeenaa Daar Alaam ee Balast Parsi!!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Are you having a meltdown or are you just ranting? Some Pashtuns did join the regiments but majority fought the british..hec the same pashtuns who joined were fighting the british by night.

[parsiwaan]

Yes, Tajakan don't even exist when it comes to accepting any responsibility for all that destruction that happened in Afghanistan. These were all Pashtuns. Yes all the commie generals who catapalted Massoud, Russian asset in Afghanistan, to power were Pashtuns...and yes all Tajakan are angels and have no role in the instability of Afghanistan.

Mr Parsiban your behavior is typical of the spoiled Gelam Jami women that one finds in brothal houses, very experienced and trained in the skill of playing the victimhood drama, shifting the blame to others, crying, yelling, vailing, and pretending, with all the audacity and shamelessness, to be innocent.

I Bet you know more about those brothels--personal experince? ha? or how else you would know about those woman there? Anyways.. the whole Punjab and Sind brothels are filled with women that are being sold by their own brother and father to Punjabis and then they end up in brothels... don't make me post the UN report about how many women from Swat and NWFP are being sold by their fathers to man from Punjab... i have the link in my hard drive.

General Baba Jan, Dilawar, and all other generals who revolted against Najibullah, were non-Pashtuns. They were mostly Tajak and favored Massoud out of ethnic piety and political consideration, my friend. Your glaring lies cannot conceal the truth.

Paki boy... go ask a afghan pashton.. Dilawar speak Farsi with haviey pashton accent... he is a Pashton..but then traison are in your blood.. didn't Pashton Khalqis generals kill Pashtonist Doud khan and his whole family?

Afghanistan is yak-Kishawar-i-Afghan not Yak-Kishawar-i-Parsi Zaban, my friend where diversity should be mainatained and cultural rights granted according to demographic proportion.

Culture right? hu? Afghanistan was never oppressed, afghans regardless of ethnic were all proud of their diverse culture be it farsi or Pashto… other then during heavy handiness of Doud khan where Farsi names of places were changed to Pashto Sabziwaar to Shandan, Negaristan to Galleria…force pashtonistzation was imposed on people under fake and fraudulent pashton tolan… the fact is almost all Pashtons know farsi.. no wonder all the great poets and artist of Afghanistan are actual pashton… Ahmad Zahir, Ustad Khaliliallah Khalil, Farhad Darya, Nashenas, Sariban and… bottom line is its not afghan pashton but the pakized NWFP pashton that are jelious of Farsi…but then they enjoy the illegitimate child of Farsi, Urdu like its their fathers tong.

You still did not answer me... can you deny that whole region is Farsi spaker?