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[parsiwaan]

Parsiwan,

I am sorry that what I say is not a tune in your Setami ears and doesn't fit your own version anti-Pashtunism.

I ask you again to enlist those of the Pakistani foreign policy aims in Afghanistan in Taliban period so we can conclude whether Afghanistan could be accounted for as a colony. What is hard for you to do that? My views are more hostile towards Taliban than I could imagine others' in this forum. But I have my own reasons. I am also against every aspect of Pakistan's involvement in our country. But our relations with Pakistan is not a zero-sum. Just as you may allege that Pakistan uses certain Pashtun froups for its own ends - I would rather argue the other way around. Very good that Hekmatyar and Taliban used Pakistan.

Fancy words it your habit. How can you claim that Pashtuns in PK were not affected by the war? What cheap labour? That cheap labour I don't think helped the very millions of Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns who live on the verge of poverty line themseslves. I don't blame them when they say that Afghan were strain on their local economy. Can you even account for the destruction that they have gone through over the past 9 years? What aid got to them? Where else would have you sold your carpets, Parsiwan?

I am aware of Pakistani interest, even today many Pashtuns are supporting Taliban for the very reasons as they did in the 90's. Despite my seemingly anti Taliban views, I have never supported their sumbmission to the current set up haphazardly. It has to come through genuine political solution. I just want them to be moderate and willing to negotiate. Although I don't agree with their ideologies but the dog of Taliban is better than the entire NA.

I don't give a crap about your refugee experience in Pakistan and their banks and other institutions. They could hardly feed their own population. I know my nation and I believe in my people.

Yes there were arabs and others but that was what was largely due to circumstance. Your leaders brought and embraced Abdullah Azam, Bin etc. before the Pashtuns did. Yes Pashtun tribalism was the reason your mother give birth to you, everything bad with you noble boy-players is Pashtun fault.

I know you goons and what you are capable of. All you did was rape Kabuli women and loot their household than building ANA and ANP and governance. Massoud in ploy with his Prachamis pushed Hekmatyar out of Kabul and marginalised Pashtuns and rejected every Afghan character of the country. I cannot more eloquently explicate it than Taronama has in his post.

Why did Masoud not co-opt Dostum and Hazaras then? Why did Hazaras and Dostum side with Hekmatyar then? What were Massoud'd plans?

As for Pashtun and Prasiwan women - your claim is rideculous and laughable. Parsiwans are known for their women if anything. Thank you. Our women are strong alahmdulilah and very introvert and preserved in proud Pashtun character - dranday dee! Thank you.

As for education, I am once again saying this that on our local standard Pashtuns will beat you in any field. By the way Jalalabad university was ranked the first till few years ago - I don't know about it now, if anything it might be second to Kabul in where I know for a fact that Pashtuns and Hazaras are the brightest. Generally we are ba-estedad people and this is a known fact. Kabul university and other private universities are packed with Pashtun females. It is so nice reading Pashtun female profiles for their accomplishments in institutes like the American univerity of Afghansitan, despite the fact that for years they were descriminated against for even enrolling in the most fare international university by Farsiwans and Hazaras administrators. These and other descrimination thanks to these forces have sends schocks and has created deep awareness in Pashtun community in Afghansitan on many levels. In war-torn regions it is unfortunate that our people are deprived from all baisc ammenities. That is the dark side of war. Inshallah we will regain our prominance.

Nadir Shah's action cannot be judged accordintg today's standard. After all he had to despose a foreign agent and bandit from power who looted all Kabul and even Pashtun regions. By the way my grad dad's dad also participated in the battle.

How was Gul Muhamed Khan Momand a British agent?lol Every one is an agent according to you. You denounce Shenwari tribe for standing against Taliban, if they didn't you would still find a reason to loosen that trap of yours. You entire clan is a foreign and occupation mercenary.

I will write to you later... funny thing just like Afghanistan...when you and me as two afghans are having an argument these cholaa Pukis are joining in and trying to create Fitna....i just wish you like all those afghan pashtons realize how easily these Pakistanis are using then under the good name of Islam and pashton brotherhood... the only real brother and father of these people are Punjabis and Ali Jenah.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

I will write to you later... funny thing just like Afghanistan...when you and me as two afghans are having an argument these cholaa Pukis are joining in and trying to create Fitna....i just wish you like all those afghan pashtons realize how easily these Pakistanis are using then under the good name of Islam and pashton brotherhood... the only real brother and father of these people are Punjabis and Ali Jenah.

I wont lie, Parsiwaana, there is alot of truth and righteousness in your commentary, especially with regards to the treachery of Pakhtuns, in Lar and Bar.

We shouldnt disparage this man because he has a different opinion. We must always examine our faults. Im not a big Masoud supporter, and Im a proud Pakhtun/Afghan nationalist, but there is truth in this mans words

To me, the Farsi Durrani Kings of Afghanistan and the Establishment Pashtuns of Pakistan are both equal enemies of Pakhtana

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I will write to you later... funny thing just like Afghanistan...when you and me as two afghans are having an argument these cholaa Pukis are joining in and trying to create Fitna....i just wish you like all those afghan pashtons realize how easily these Pakistanis are using then under the good name of Islam and pashton brotherhood... the only real brother and father of these people are Punjabis and Ali Jenah.

Funny story parsiwaan the Pashtuns there say the same thing about non pashtuns...that they create fithna amongst two people.

[parsiwaan]

Parsiwaan can you further elaborate on the status of Afghans in Pakistan. I am interested.

Well what can i say... i been living there for 2 years as refugee and then i come to states and after 8 years went back working for UN... i have been to every camps and ever ghettos there... status of afghans there is that of an animal, first the locals treat them like they are not even human, then the Pakistani police. ...they say Mahjeraa pesee rawlaa.. and then if you talk English with them and say you work for UN(in there they call UN, UNO) they get scared and let u go. I have tons of horror stories, from 19 years old kid getting throwing in jail under pretext of having chars to kids getting their kidney removed, to home owners throwing afghans on street for not paying rent. I have spend 6 years working for UN and few times I got mad to the point that I wanted to hit some Pakistani official. I also have been to inner punjab, Sind, Balochistan, India, Bangladesh... to tell you honestly i have concluded based on my experience that Islam is a violent religion and the problem with us is mainly Islam.

[ComradePashtun]

Parsiwan,

Let me confront with you few facts.

First of all think time and again when open that filthy mouth of yours and badmouth entire Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa for treason against Afghanistan. You must remeber that this is a political debate and we are only criticising the politics and at most our politicians be it from any side - there are indeed traitors who have committed treason against our people. Secondly, khpal tsaadar sara khpaley pshee ghazawa - you are in a Pashtun community so know your place. We can be saying what we want to each other and no matter how direct, there is no place for you there! Ok!

Thirdly, you are a namak-haram. The great Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa has been sacrificing than merely altruistic when it comes to Afghan refugees. They even embraced undesrving people like you. I have reletives who lived there and many I know still live there - and I know too well their general attitude towards Afghan. Isolated cases are as they might be.

Lets compare you so called cultured, but trully vile animals with the humble and BIG-HEARTED Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa. I know for a fact that Pashtuns in Pashunkhwa have vacated their own houses for their bretheren and have rather took the pains and moved in with thier relatives and family so an Afghan brother can live in and with comfort. An Afghan had every right that a local had. From education, to business.. you name it. Equal, dear!

Their hospitality is unmatched and this should be remeberd for our genreations to come. I hope one day Afghans can do much much more than that for their brothers. Our pains, sorrow, and joys are together.

Here is to set the record straight for you Bacha Baz to reckon with before opening your loud mouth - a typical trait. When the Afghan government allowed large number of Tajik refugees in to Afghansitan THE FIRS THING YOU VILE BARBARIANS did was to rape their women and even their teenage boys and girls. This is a known fact. So what do you say?

How can you say there are no Farsiwans in Peshwar? For you record, my uncle has served as UN official and have been involved with the refugees, infact when the number of Afghan refugees were in its peak at around 4 million almost 20% of them were Farsiwans. In fact one feels ashamed of your legacy in Pakistan.

Afghanistan is never a Farsi speaking country and never has been, and Pashtuns coversing with Tajiks and Uzbaks in Farsi does't justify your arguement. This is obsurd. It is exacly people like Rabani and now people like you who are beating the grass and are rattling the snake. This is why now on most official events if you have noticed the most passive Pashtun have started using only Pashtun as the only modicum of coversation although you might be engaging him in Farsi. This is the beginning not the end.

As for Parchamis, they're traitors and most Pashtuns hate their guts. I know many Parchamis and when you talk to them of Najib eras they get infuriated and regret trusting fascist Parsiwans and Massoud and falling in trap of their sinister designs. They know how their name is imprinted in history and how it will go down in the future. Although I like some aspects about Najeeb, but he ended up in his sorry fate for betraying Pashtuns.

We know who the fitna is.

[ComradePashtun]

Parsiwana,

You are a aliar!

[parsiwaan]

Funny story parsiwaan the Pashtuns there say the same thing about non pashtuns...that they create fithna amongst two people.

You talk as pashtons were ever one people, or nation. Take a look at recent history... Doud khan the founder of pashtonization of Afghanistan. he tried to replace farsi language with pashto, although he could not even speak pashto himself, he change farsi name of places to pashto, Sabziwar was changed to Shendaan, Danishga to Pohantoon, and so on...but guess what he and whole his family were murdered in cold blood by Pashton Khalqis, then came Takria..Nabeghee Sharq...in his whole 9 months of rule he did not speak a word of Farsi...but this great genius of 20 century was murdered by his student ..Amin, then Russian brought Kamal...son of a Pashton army general...then came Najib... today Pashton Mullah OMar is fighting Pashton Karzia on behalf of pakistan...he is blowing up schools, and killing people mercilessly... no one even question or demonstrate when a taliban suicide bomber kills innocent people...but when NETO and American do they go crazy.
Seriously my friend, pashtons kill pashton, pashton eat pashtons heart... i do not need to put fitnah among people that have a culture of fighting and bloodshed. All i want is to let the people live in peace, even those innocent pashtons civilians deserved a better life and better chance in life then to be tool at hands of some Paksitani or some Arab.



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[parsiwaan]

Parsiwana,

You are a aliar!

Yea and Obama is an alien. lol

[ComradePashtun]

Karmal was Tajik or may be rather a Kashmiri immigrant. Just like Abdullah X 2 claimed to be a Kandahari Pashtun and dreamt of becoming president.LOL

As a matter of fact Abdullah is the son of Abdul Qodus Khan Panjsheri. Haha

Some Kandahari clerk or lawyer met his mom and married her... I don't know the whole storry. Karmal also lied and once he become the president it all transpired who he really was - a fraud Tajik.

[ComradePashtun]

Yea and Obama is an alien. lol

HAHAH

[Toramana]

Tormana,
Your just mad cause i have pointed all the crimes and treason of you NWFP pashtons against afghan and Afghanistan...no wonder you make no sense.

Ya, the usual Tajak craftiness/crookedness. My friend, how many KP Pashtuns moved to Afganistan to destroy it, by the way? On the contrary, there were millions of Parsibanans that swarmed Peshawar and other parts of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa like cockroaches and drained that impoverished province of its limited resources and strained its infrastructure.

Till me one thing, Parsiban, you are compailing too much of improper treatment of Parsibans at the hands of Pashtuns of KP (whom you stayed with for almost 2.5-3 decades and some are still staying there), why then you kept coming there? Why didn't you seek refuge with your ethnic/sectarian/linguistic kins and brethern accross Amu or Herat?

What an ungrateful and ignoble people you are. Despite the burden you put on KP economy and the Gelam Jami activities some of you resorted to and the immorality that resulted from that, Pashtuns of Pukhtunkhwa seldom said you should be expelled by force or agitated for it although they might not have liked interacting with you for your gawdy behavior and loose and lousy culture.

Really? ok tell me the last time a Parsiban invaded you people? For past 200 years you guys are selling your soul to one evil to another and kill others and each other and yet talk about evilist and aggressors?

Mr Parsiban, it is on record Pashtuns fought valiently whoever invaded their land independent of whether they were able to repel the invaders or not. All the Afghan wars and the almost one and half century of Pashtun resistance to British imperialism in KP are a witness to that not to mention the resistance to Russians. Nations resist aggression to maintain their freedom. However, you can call it anything out of your anti-Pashtun biase.


As for invading Pashtun lands, there couldn't be worst invasion of Pashtuns than when Tajak warlords in collaboration with commie Tajak generals and backing from Iran, Russia, Tajakistan, etc., took Kabul the heart and capital city of Afghanistan by force and declared Afghanistan to be "Yak Kishwar-i-Farsi Zaban" as if Pashtuns didn't exist and had no role in shaping Afghanistan. That was a nacked expression of Tajak chauvinism and an aggression/invasion against/of Pashtuns, who had defended Afghanistan with their blood for all the three hundred years since it was established.

[Toramana]

Tormana,
You have no idea what your talking about, Najib was let go from soviet, he become like a dog without a owner so he realise and reached to Golbodin and also was welling to accept UN peace plan...to allow a transetion gov to hold which will then hold a election. The Karmalist function of Parchiam was against this plan, they wanted their party to have a saying in future gov, and this is why they wage a coup against Najib. For your information General Baba jan was just one of the top generals of Karamlist function, the rest..General Delwar--a Pashton from Kohistan--new Afghanistan ambassador to Ukraine, General Azami a Farsi speaking Pashton, General Momen a half Pashton and Olumee brothers Barkzia pashtons were all leading the coup against Najib. Even after Massod took Kabul, General Dewlar was continuing as commander of Garnezoon ee Markazee. You should read Genral Nabi Azami book….but then you need to live with yourself… you have to turn this into Farsi against pashton for your servitude of Pakistan…or how else you would suck the blood of afghans? As for as Pakistani support you should read how much they liked Massod...there are tons of books about this..go educate yourself.

Yes, Tajakan don't even exist when it comes to accepting any responsibility for all that destruction that happened in Afghanistan. These were all Pashtuns. Yes all the commie generals who catapalted Massoud, Russian asset in Afghanistan, to power were Pashtuns...and yes all Tajakan are angels and have no role in the instability of Afghanistan.


Mr Parsiban your behavior is typical of the spoiled Gelam Jami women that one finds in brothal houses, very experienced and trained in the skill of playing the victimhood drama, shifting the blame to others, crying, yelling, vailing, and pretending, with all the audacity and shamelessness, to be innocent.


General Baba Jan, Dilawar, and all other generals who revolted against Najibullah, were non-Pashtuns. They were mostly Tajak and favored Massoud out of ethnic piety and political consideration, my friend. Your glaring lies cannot conceal the truth.

Afghanistan is yak-Kishawar-i-Afghan not Yak-Kishawar-i-Parsi Zaban, my friend where diversity should be mainatained and cultural rights granted according to demographic proportion.

[Toramana]

Karmal was Tajik or may be rather a Kashmiri immigrant. Just like Abdullah X 2 claimed to be a Kandahari Pashtun and dreamt of becoming president.LOL

As a matter of fact Abdullah is the son of Abdul Qodus Khan Panjsheri. Haha

Some Kandahari clerk or lawyer met his mom and married her... I don't know the whole storry. Karmal also lied and once he become the president it all transpired who he really was - a fraud Tajik.

Karmal was a Tajak. Even if he was a Kashmiri, he spoke Dari and so had more affinity with Tajaks as later events tetstified. He made some fake claim of Pashtun descent around 1985 to win political favor with Pashtun majority. Actually, Russians were disappointed with him for failing to make political inroads into the (pacifying Pashtuns) Pashtun south where resistance was the stiffest. He even got his daughter married to a Pashtun from Pukhtunkhwa for political reasons (I heard the marriage didn't go very well).

[ComradePashtun]

Taromana,

Man every knows this in Afghanistan. One of my uncle was a general and he knows his entire family. I can even ask him to provide me a name list of his entire family and even history of his great great fathers and who he really is and post it here. This is a fact.

[Toramana]

Your barking on the wrong door, if Pakistan had no plan to "Kabul must burn" they would have not unleashed their pashtons dog to destroy kabul... the fact of matter is Shakoko Rabbani and Massod both were genuinely ready for power sharing, they even allowed Golbodin when Pakistan unleashed their other dog Taliban to become priminster again...yes off course as legetimate government of Afghanistan...recognize by UN, Rabbani had full right o seek partnership with international community. Maybe as true successor of British you Cholaa Pakis think Kabul must care her international relationship true Pakistan ha? like those pervious amirs that were doing throw British raj?

Typical Gelam Jami nonsense devoid of all logic. "Kabul must be burnt" was what General Zial-ul-Haq and Akhtar Abdur Rahman said once not because they were against Afghanistan's status as "Yak-Kiswhawar-i-Farsi-Zaban" but because Afghanistan was a symbol of Pashtun/Afghan cultural/political identity and a source of inspiration for pan-Pashtun/Afghan sentiments. That is why they initially imposed Rabbani, etc. on Afghanistan to politically weaken Pashtuns. And once Rabbani took Kabul thanks the backing from Tajak generals, he didn't want to share power. In 1992, Pashtuns were a marginalized community in Kabul.

Had Rabbani and Co displayed political wisdom and not become desparate to impose their Tajak-agenda on Afghanistan, situation would not have gone that way. Even the Perianized Mujadidi couldn't withstand the Tajak chauvisim and had to made an escape.

Rest what you've said here is just rubbish worth throwing on fire.

ahhaha what secular pashton leadership? you mean those double headed khans that were eating salt on one pot and then pissing on the same pat? like those Ghaffar khan and his grandson who today proudly claims that like German American, Anglo, American and Spanish America he is Afghan Pakistani...meaning he is Pakistani! What good did Afghanistan got from these secular two headed khan other then they milking Afghanistan, getting free education in our universities and then even badmouthing those afghan refugees and wanted to send them back.(just as Afsandaar wali had said few years ago in Peshawar.)

All this is rubbish with no relevance to what I mentioned i.e., they were secular.