Why

[Nokia_Apridy]

If our brothers of Pashtunkhwa refuse to join us......

YP armana chay sta Stargu ta ma na leday kaana Wos ma Admin ta zwab warkwalu

WALLAH da WEnay Tag (raftar) ma mandu shi ......

chay Dasey Post oyenam Khu bas

Naray (World) da cha da Stargu da para Jora

Zka ta Zma da Stargu da para Jor ya...

[ComradePashtun]

I think we are looking at this fundamentally from a different angle. I think maybe it is better to start by wronging the internal problems of both the Afghan/Pashtun areas or at least have a semblance of where to begin. It is important for Pashtunkhwa to first re fix the wrongs done within it especially the multiple political divisions, similarly Afghanistan has to basically reboot from 30 years of war. We can't use examples from the 90s and say well Afghanistan was destroyed by war, why would Pashtunkhwa join it? Remember that big parts of Pashtunkhwa are now destroyed as well, first by military operations and second by the recent flooding. These both have had massive political and economic implications...it isn't a coincidence that people are moving to Jalalabad or Kabul for work.
Unification will eventually happen, whether it antagonizes x group or y group, but eventually it will (in some form) due to the fact that this division is not only unnatural but propped up by foreign powers. There are one too many internal contradictions within Pakistan as a state that the amount that it needs to clean up is being hampered by its own 'defenders of the state'. In this instance Pashtuns should start thinking about their future down the line.

BLS,

90's is irrelevant, that would be deceptive if we were to shine away from the most illustrious periods of history, when perhaps time was more ripe than ever and in my view than it would ever be. It never happened. What makes it unatural? It is Achakzai, Afridis, Momands who are guarding the Pakistani borders. And Pashtuns are at the helm and forefront of Pakistan's engagement and confrontation with Afghanistan. From policy level and right to the last dot of its implemetation.

What is the difference between now and the past 100 years? Pakistani Pashtuns would tell you that their immediate concern is more Pakistan than be enthusiastic for a failed project. They will tell you that most of the upheaval they are suffering from, socially, politically are due Afghanistan and evil Afghanis who don't want to leave them alone. Even your best of Pashtun like Nokia Apridi who consider himself as the true follower of Bad Shah Khan is not moved by none of it.

[Baygham]

I don't think you should percieve my Afghan nationalism as opposed to Pashtun nationalism. "Afghan" is everything for me nothing beyond that I care for. You pretty much got it, bro.

So what is your's to the contrary, and you didn't answer my previous post, where does it leave you there.

comrade saab, in isreal every jew, from ethiopian to afghan, iraqi, german, russian have a place and a passport ready, even at tremendous cost. And with one stroke you strike off 30million who dont even ask for land or resources but bring it with themselves.

The pashtoons of pakhtunkhwa will indeed shift the balance of power in kabul towards pashtoon. This is not acceptable to many profiting in the status quo. But such are a minority the majority will benefit on both sides.

Like afghanistan we have minorities in pakhtunkhwa as well. We have hindku speaking, those that speak kohistani, kalash and others. These have as much a right as any pashtoon or any hazara, tajik or uzbek in kabul. No less no more.

[ComradePashtun]

Apridaya,

I have worked out a common trait with your kind and that is to be vague and slippery, than outward exposure of yourself, becase it is safer than have a clear outward exposition on certain issue. Never have a stance and always be on the offense. Good strategy that is. What is holding, come on, show us what have to say, don't be a coward Pathan. It is not like you are going swear at or beat up Admin. Enough of your BS.

[ComradePashtun]

comrade saab, in isreal every jew, from ethiopian to afghan, iraqi, german, russian have a place and a passport ready, even at tremendous cost. And with one stroke you strike off 30million who dont even ask for land or resources but bring it with themselves.

The pashtoons of pakhtunkhwa will indeed shift the balance of power in kabul towards pashtoon. This is not acceptable to many profiting in the status quo. But such are a minority the majority will benefit on both sides.

Like afghanistan we have minorities in pakhtunkhwa as well. We have hindku speaking, those that speak kohistani, kalash and others. These have as much a right as any pashtoon or any hazara, tajik or uzbek in kabul. No less no more.

Baygham saahiba,

Ka ba zama muram (and for that matter any Afghan Pashtun's aim would be) is to unify with Pashtuns from the east just so it can shift the power in Kabul in my favour ---- then, then may Allah never make this dream come true. And if Pathans of Pakistan are also follwing their basic ugly insticts for material desire, then may Allah also never bring that day. We have already paid too heavy a price and it is not even acknowledged.

We are helpless, when you are ready call us.

[ComradePashtun]

By the way, no need to shift powers in Kabul.

[Admin Khan]

If our brothers of Pashtunkhwa refuse to join us......

YP armana chay sta Stargu ta ma na leday kaana Wos ma Admin ta zwab warkwalu

WALLAH da WEnay Tag (raftar) ma mandu shi ......

chay Dasey Post oyenam Khu bas

Naray (World) da cha da Stargu da para Jora

Zka ta Zma da Stargu da para Jor ya...

Wrora, no one here is stopping you from responding to me. If you feel like I said something that went against your set of opinions, feel free to offer your rebuttal. As far as I know, based on my posts, I have preached nothing but Pashtun unity. Also, just to add, I am a big fan of constructive criticism. I like it when people quote me, It makes me think even harder for my next response. For a better understanding, refer to my dialogue with ComradePashtun. I made my stance on this particular case very clear. Also, refrain from quoting me out of context. If you would have comprehended that sentence in its context its saying IF such is the case. Say what you have to say wrora, las mu azaad. And please, stay on topic i.e no ranting what so ever. For those of you wondering what he is talking about, he is speaking in context of my response to our member Parsiwaan. Parsiwaan wrote,

I respect your choice... but you should spend your energy on Afghanistan unity... now if you want to unite with Pashtons of NWFP and Uzbak wants unity with those of Uzbakistan, Hazara with Iran and Tajik with Tajikistan...there will be no afghanistan left. Think about it.

And I responded to our brother Parsiwaan with this,

Dear Brother, no one can separate us from our beloved brothers of Pashtunkhwa. You can't separate a child from his mom. I have unconditional love for my brothers of Pashtunkhwa and that is because I envision them as my people. I don't share a common language, culture or history with those other ethnic groups of those nations. I don't have much in common with Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. Does that mean I don't respect them? of course not. I respect all Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hindko speakers, Kohistanis, Kalash and all other ethnic groups. But what does that have to do with me being more close to my people? Can I go up to an Uzbeki and speak to him about Pashtunwali or Pashto? no I cant. The core purpose of this post is that those Pashtuns of Pakistan were once part of our united nation. we separated due to unfortunate circumstances but that does not mean we have to live our lives as divided people. Do you have any clue how serious of an issue there is? There are families that have been divided, tribes that have been divided. There are people of the same household possessing different nationalities. With all due respect, I cant change my feelings about my people. I wish to see Afghanistan prosper, but my scope ranges far beyond Afghanistan. I hope you understand. But just to make things easier for you, let's make this a multiple choice thing.

1)Was Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Iran once part of Afghanistan?

Yes or No?

2)Was NWFP once part of Afghanistan?

Yes or No?

If our brothers of Pashtunkhwa refuse to join us, that's fine, I cant force them can I? I can't put a gun to everyone's head and say join us or die but you must acknowledge that they share a common language, culture and history with us. The national language of Afghanistan[Pashto] is spoken by them as a mother tongue, I think that alone sums up my stance on this particular issue. I have absolutely nothing against Parsiwaans, In fact, I respect all ethnic groups and languages, but as a Pashtun, I have love for my people residing in Pashtunkhwa and for my language.


Note:
˙ɯәhʇ hʇiʍ әƃɐnƃuɐl puɐ ʎɹoʇsih'әɹnʇlnɔ ɹɐliɯis ɐ әɹɐhs suɐhƃɟɐ әʍ ˙sәʎ si 2 uoiʇsәnb ɹoɟ ɹәʍsuɐ әhʇ ˙ou si 1 uoiʇsәnb ɹoɟ ɹәʍsuɐ әhʇ

Why Nokia_Apridy quoted that 1 sentence of mine is beyond my comprehension and level of understanding. Perhaps one can say I am incompetent.

[ComradePashtun]

Admina,

Because he doesn't believe in what you do. That is another way expressing it.

[Admin Khan]

Admina,

Because he doesn't believe in what you do. That is another way expressing it.

If one disagrees with me, they can bring forward a thought-provoking argument to which I will offer my refutations at my nearest convenience. I don't like discussing something with someone who is just going to respond with 1 sentence, I am sure you know about my temper problems.(joking)

I said something, ComradePashtun respectively disagreed with certain portions of my post, I respect his opinion. I respect him for offering constructive criticsm to what I had stated and professionally refuting what I wrote. I learned from him, I hope he learned from me. That should be the main purpose of this platform. Learning.

[ComradePashtun]

Bro,

You response to Parsiwan in principle was wrong as both of you citizens of Afghanistan. Why can't he use the same arguement for his ethnic kin. He would probably have a better chance of some Khorassan than your unification with Pakistanis.

[Admin Khan]

Bro,

You response to Parsiwan in principle was wrong as both of you citizens of Afghanistan. Why can't he use the same arguement for his ethnic kin. He would probably have a better chance of some Khorassan than your unification with Pakistanis.

My response is a mere reflection of my attitude towards my people of Pashtunkhwa. Like I specified in the past, If Pashtuns of Pakistan are happy with Pakistan, who am I to force them? Long story short, my response represents how I feel about Pashtuns of Pakistan. I look at them as if they are my people and I weight them equally when compared to a Pashtun of Afghanistan. Part of my bond has to do with our common culture,language and history. The fact that we are once united under a common banner alone is enough for me to be saddened about our current scenario.

I am not here to yell and scream death to Pakistan. That isn't my style or my approach. I am not here to offend people either, if anyone is offended because I have unconditional love for Pashtuns, I apologize in advance. All I want is a referendum to be held in which they will have an opportunity to decide who they want to join. If they all choose Pakistan, I will respect their decision and still consider them as my people. I have never sought to annex the region, all I have implied in the past is that we should first work on developing our own Afghan institutions. We should first work on developing our health care and many other of our social systems. The fact that we lack justice courts in many Afghan provinces, most notably Bamiyan and Khost is sad. However, when we are on the rise to an economic boom, we can hold a referendum which will for once and for all decide the fate of our people. If they agree to live a divided life, I won't go running around chasing every Pashtun and asking them why they didn't vote for uniting. I know my limits, I know my boundaries. I like to think I am pretty rational in such a sensitive discussion. I am not a fan of force. Nevertheless, my first and foremost concern is Afghanistan and wishing to see her improve her human development index. I will reiterate what I had previously stated, If a referendum is held right now as we speak, I am more than confident they will not choose to unite with us. Its common sense, who wants to join a nation that is invaded by 40+ Nations? For a further understanding, refer to my previous posts. Just an FYI, I am by no way saying that we should drop what we are doing right now and begin to campaign to annex the region, we should first work on developing our institutions. We should serve our people, Its just that when I say my people, I also mean Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa. I want to see a strong Afghanistan, I want to see my people education and strong.

Mark my words or perhaps print this post out and keep it with yourself, If we do not preach unity now, In the next couple of decades, a Pashtun of Pashtunkhwa won't have the same love for us. We can see as of right now there are Pashtuns residing in those areas who perhaps don't care about us at all but I expect our elders to pass on the message, I expect our seniors like Khan Gul, Feroz Afridi and others to tell the youth that those Pashtuns of Afghanistan are the same exact people like us. Its either now or never. Once a Pashtun from Pakistan forgets Pashto, Pashtunwali, he won't have those aspirations that I might share. If he is not taught about Pashtun history in his school[which is the case] how can he ever feel the sense of unity?

[ComradePashtun]

Admin Khan bro,

This is politics and your feeling aside, you don't want to know my feeling and the raw side of it.lol

What makes you think they are not happy with Pakistan? And what right do you have to ask for referendum? They rather pursue a strategic depth for Pakistan through that common culture and bond, excuse me.

I don't need to preach no one; what love and care. They never cared for you and unifying with you. Forget the now and never, it doesn't matter.

[ComradePashtun]

They think we Afghanis are rather desperate.

[Admin Khan]

Admin Khan bro,

This is politics and your feeling aside, you don't want to know my feeling and the raw side of it.lol

Isn't it your feelings which ultimately influences your political stance? Isn't it your feelings that contributes to how you feel about a certain issue? Isn't it your feelings and love for Afghanistan that makes you feel more attached to the land as compared to a Belgian who probably doesn't even care if Kandahar and Kabul are on fire, he will continue living his life with some pale lager, lambic beer and Flemish red.

What makes you think they are not happy with Pakistan? And what right do you have to ask for referendum? They rather pursue a strategic depth for Pakistan through that common culture and bond, excuse me.

Because I have traveled to Pakistan. I have met Pashtuns in real life, also, our e-diaspora here also at times voices distaste don't they? Baygham, who is from Swat doesn't seem to happy with the Pakistani state now does he? I can continue with such examples.

I don't need to preach no one; what love and care. They never cared for you and unifying with you. Forget the now and never, it doesn't matter.

I beg to differ, I like to think that they do care. They might not love me, love is a strong word. But I am sure the minute they hear me saying "Singaya" they will have this feeling of "Da kho zma Pashtun dey!". Get it? Matter of fact, speaking from my prior experiences, they already do.

Put it this way, I am employed for this technological company. When I have a Pashtun from Pakistan who very rarely walks in to our building, they usually converse with me in Urdu. I can easily tell from the Urdu accent that he is a Pashtun so I usually say, "Pa pashto ki khabarey rasara waka". The smile and excitement on his face is what keeps me going, I get a "Oh! Ta khu me khpal ya, ta khu zma Pukhtun ya". And during the rest of the conversation, they forget what they came in for, they are just happy they met a Pashtun.

Before you tell me that they think I am from Pakistan, I am from Kandahar city, my accent is extremely distinguishable.

[tor_khan]

With a user-name like yours Comrade Jan, I would imagine that you would seek comradeship, brotherhood, and that boundaries, borders etc. would not be an obstacle.

Parsiwaan's name and his views say it all in my opinion. (Before, I go on, let me say there is nothing wrong with Farsi, Parsi, Dari, Tajik, Persian, call it whatever name.) Similarly, there is nothing wrong with Pashto, Pakhto, Pukhto (or however you choose to say it in your dialect). In fact, let me go further. There is a lot that is good about our language, our people, our culture and history. We can have a Renaissance, a revivalism, as well as an acceptance of very modern things like technology and the need to change and my feeling is, this HAS to happen - but there are forces who worry that a thinking Pashtoon, educated and proud of his Pashto, may demand other things.

Same past, so why should our futures be separate?