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[Admin Khan]

Respected brother,

My political view: IT IS NOT MY DAMN BUSINESS AND NOR IN MY INTEREST TO BE ADVOCATING UNIFICTION THIS OR THAT! This is a failed policy, what is hard to understand? Failed, failed failed. This led Afghanistan to rubbles. Suppose I am from Peshawar, why should I join you? I haven't joined you in the past 100 years, there was no popular demand and don't expect it any time soon, when I do I will let know myself. Untill then keep all your attention to yourself. The love story aside. And?

So to sort of wrap up your view in a polite way, what you advocate is Afghan nationalism as opposed to Pashtun Nationalism? You think that since those affluent Pashtuns of Pakistan are so integrated into Pakistan and so comfortable with Urdu, that they won't join us and that we are simply wasting our energy and time on them?

Is that right? did I grasp your political intentions properly?

[ComradePashtun]

I don't think you should percieve my Afghan nationalism as opposed to Pashtun nationalism. "Afghan" is everything for me nothing beyond that I care for. You pretty much got it, bro.

So what is your's to the contrary, and you didn't answer my previous post, where does it leave you there.

[Admin Khan]

I don't think you should percieve my Afghan nationalism as opposed to Pashtun nationalism. "Afghan" is everything for me nothing beyond that I care for. You pretty much got it, bro.

Well, once you aim for Afghan nationalism it in a sense means that your audience and your scope is within the boundaries of Afghanistan. You are in a sense, excluding the 30million ethnically Afghans of Pakistan. In opposition, they might initiate Pakistani Nationalism and with that being said, you might as well look at our ethnic group as South and North Korea. Same ethnic group, divided into two. The minute you accept the borders, say bye-bye to your Pashtun counterparts of Pakistan.

I never have never will use force, all I am trying to say is that the doors will always remain open for them. They will always remain in our hearts as our Afghan brothers despite their opposition. Two wrongs don't make a right, we will leave it at that. My concern is that as of right now, considering the fact that we are a war torn nation, our main priority should also be our development. One of the reasons why I am so active in the development section is that I want my people to have hope. I want my people to know that Afghanistan isn't just "junk"[an anonymous person had stated that] you might picture but its a nation of proud people who are now slowly on the path of prosperity and peace.

[ComradePashtun]

Proud, be that as it is and hope that you care for your people, bring it in the most comfortable way that you can. Any involvement from us in to the affairs of so called or be that it, Pakistani Pashtuns is counter-productive both for us and and them in my view. Had you or Afghanistan the force to annex what you could, you would have not spared a moment, be realistic bro.

And read the history, when Afghan army in particular tried to taste the waters, the first ones were Pashtuns to turn their guns on them, not Panjabis.

Long live Afghanistan and I will never be traitor to Afghanistan.

[Admin Khan]

Proud, be that as it is and hope that you care for your people, bring it in the most comfortable way that you can. Any involvement from us in to the affairs of so called or be that it, Pakistani Pashtuns is counter-productive both for us and and them in my view. Had you or Afghanistan the force to annex what you could, you would have not spared a moment, be realistic bro.

And read the history, when Afghan army in particular tried to taste the water, the first ones were Pashtuns to turn their guns on them, not Panjabis.

Long live Afghanistan.

Not quite respected brother, I am very realistic. I oppose force like I stated explicitly several times. I already clarified my stance on how I feel about our unity; I also emphasized several times how important our unity is. As far as you stating that I would reluctantly annex the region if I had a chance, I would beg to differ. If I was in charge of Afghan affairs, I would hold a simple referendum. Considering the historical fact that Pashtuns of Pakistan were never given the chance to choose Afghanistan in a referendum, it would be a fair and square game. However, one thing I can ensure you is that Pashtuns of Pakistan will not chose to join us right now but that does not mean they don't have love for us. We are war torn and devastated with 3 decades of war. It’s a simple cost-benefit analysis, If you think about it why would the leave their luxurious lives for a nation that has the 2nd to worst human development index in the world? Do you get my drift now? Those Pashtuns of Pakistan who have lost Pashto, Pashtunwali pretty much means they have lost their identity. To sum it up, they are proud Pakistanis Pathans, if they are happy with chosing Urdu over Pashto, we shouldn't have any objections, let them live. For a further elaboration, refer to the UN Declaration of Human rights. My concern is that we should not give our people of Pakistan the cold shoulder. I, In a friendly way dare you to tell BLS1919v2.0 and Tor_Khan(who are staff members of PF) that they are not Afghan. Whats interesting is that Tor_Khan is from Swat valley while BLS is from Shangla.

But, if our higher education and govt begins to function properly and we begin to taste prosperity, mark my words if a referendum is held, they will join. If Kabul University, Kandahar University appears to be better than Peshawar University, who wouldn't want to relocate? If the Afghan Govt begins great programs for its citizens with awesome social services, who wouldn't want to repatriate? As of now, If the Afghan diaspora itself refuses to return to Afghanistan, how can we expect Pashtuns of Pakistan to join us? How about we build great institutions, great social service schemes and we will let our nation speak for itself.

Singa Comrade Jaana? Khwasha jhey da ka na?

And read the history, when Afghan army in particular tried to taste the waters, the first ones were Pashtuns to turn their guns on them, not Panjabis.

Long live Afghanistan and I will never be traitor to Afghanistan.

We are aware that sold out Pashtuns who were loyal to ISI have showed opposition, does that mean they all show opposition? This is not a trick question at all. Can one use Amir Abdur Rehman as a choice to represent all Afghans?

[ComradePashtun]

What are you talking about intitiating Pakistani nationalism..? They are are proud Pakis and they don't give a rat about AFGHANS and your AFGHANISTAN. Sorry bro, but this is a fact. Do you doubt them being Pakistanis, bro, seriously?

[ComradePashtun]

Not quite respected brother, I am very realistic. I oppose force like I stated explicitly several times. I already clarified my stance on how I feel about our unity; I also emphasized several times how important our unity is. As far as you stating that I would reluctantly annex the region if I had a chance, I would beg to differ. If I was in charge of Afghan affairs, I would hold a simple referendum. Considering the historical fact that Pashtuns of Pakistan were never given the chance to choose Afghanistan in a referendum, it would be a fair and square game. However, one thing I can ensure you is that Pashtuns of Pakistan will not chose to join us right now but that does not mean they don't have love for us. We are war torn and devastated with 3 decades of war. It’s a simple cost-benefit analysis, If you think about it why would the leave their luxurious lives for a nation that has the 2nd to worst human development index in the world? Do you get my drift now? Those Pashtuns of Pakistan who have lost Pashto, Pashtunwali pretty much means they have lost their identity. which pretty much means they have lost their identity. which pretty much means they have lost their identity. To sum it up, they are proud Pakistanis Pathans, if they are happy with chosing Urdu over Pashto, we shouldn't have any objections, let them live. For a further elaboration, refer to the UN Declaration of Human rights. My concern is that we should not give our people of Pakistan the cold shoulder. I, In a friendly way dare you to tell BLS1919v2.0 and Tor_Khan(who are staff members of PF) that they are not Afghan. Whats interesting is that Tor_Khan is from Swat valley while BLS is from Shangla.

But, if our higher education and govt begins to function properly and we begin to taste prosperity, mark my words if a referendum is held, they will join. If Kabul University, Kandahar University appears to be better than Peshawar University, who wouldn't want to relocate? If the Afghan Govt begins great programs for its citizens with awesome social services, who wouldn't want to repatriate? As of now, If the Afghan diaspora itself refuses to return to Afghanistan, how can we expect Pashtuns of Pakistan to join us? How about we build great institutions, great social service schemes and we will let our nation speak for itself.

Singa Comrade Jaana? Khwasha jhey da ka na?


We are aware that sold out Pashtuns who were loyal to ISI have showed opposition, does that mean they all show opposition? This is not a trick question at all. Can one use Amir Abdur Rehman as a choice to represent all Afghans?

Thank you this is better.

We cannot afford a second of diverting our entire attention from Afghanistan, no matter what. So we don't need to inspire any one the other side of the Durrand line, it will come from themselves, if the reasons are what you have mentioned which are understandable, if not then we don't belong to each other. So is it fair and rational to advocate your unification when it is not tenable as a policy (only blow-backs) and unreaslistic in aim to antagonise minorities in Afghanistan and creat further disharmony internally, when it is the alst thing we need? Where is the logic there bro?

Why would you want to take such an imprudent course?

[Admin Khan]

What are you talking about intitiating Pakistani nationalism..? They are are proud Pakis and they don't give a rat about AFGHANS and your AFGHANISTAN. Sorry bro, but this is a fact. Do you doubt them being Pakistanis, bro, seriously?

I gave you two core examples in my previous post to address the above quoted and raised issue. For starters, I have seen and witnessed most of what I have stated in the previous posts with my own eyes. If you want to witness it yourself, like I said, try telling Tor_Khan or BLS1919v2.0 who are from Swat and Shangla[respectively] that they are proud Pakistanis. You will experience a great(fierce?) opposition.

Put it this way, from this very own website of ours, I can give you at least 20 examples to further strengthen the stipulations that I have made. I also added some more text to my previous post.

[ComradePashtun]

Bro, I am fully aware of people like BLS, tor-khan and other Pashtuns, whom I equate with angels upon our nation. There would be no hope otherwise. I have family and have intermarried with Yousufzais from Dir, by the way. They themselves will admit to you, they alone and our PF cannot be proviso for unification and what will set the course for millions to break away from a country and join another. You evade my questions, and the real arguement. As I have put to you as far as Afghanistan is concerned, if such a policy was not tenable when Afghanistan was in its strongest, then why should we pursue the same course? You yourself admited that when it is the right time they themseleves will join us, so why can't we not put our priorities in order? What is the cost and benifit for Afghanistan right now?

Afghan nationalism for ever!!!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Not quite respected brother, I am very realistic. I oppose force like I stated explicitly several times. I already clarified my stance on how I feel about our unity; I also emphasized several times how important our unity is. As far as you stating that I would reluctantly annex the region if I had a chance, I would beg to differ. If I was in charge of Afghan affairs, I would hold a simple referendum. Considering the historical fact that Pashtuns of Pakistan were never given the chance to choose Afghanistan in a referendum, it would be a fair and square game. However, one thing I can ensure you is that Pashtuns of Pakistan will not chose to join us right now but that does not mean they don't have love for us. We are war torn and devastated with 3 decades of war. It’s a simple cost-benefit analysis, If you think about it why would the leave their luxurious lives for a nation that has the 2nd to worst human development index in the world? Do you get my drift now? Those Pashtuns of Pakistan who have lost Pashto, Pashtunwali pretty much means they have lost their identity. which pretty much means they have lost their identity. To sum it up, they are proud Pakistanis Pathans, if they are happy with chosing Urdu over Pashto, we shouldn't have any objections, let them live. For a further elaboration, refer to the UN Declaration of Human rights. My concern is that we should not give our people of Pakistan the cold shoulder. I, In a friendly way dare you to tell BLS1919v2.0 and Tor_Khan(who are staff members of PF) that they are not Afghan. Whats interesting is that Tor_Khan is from Swat valley while BLS is from Shangla.

But, if our higher education and govt begins to function properly and we begin to taste prosperity, mark my words if a referendum is held, they will join. If Kabul University, Kandahar University appears to be better than Peshawar University, who wouldn't want to relocate? If the Afghan Govt begins great programs for its citizens with awesome social services, who wouldn't want to repatriate? As of now, If the Afghan diaspora itself refuses to return to Afghanistan, how can we expect Pashtuns of Pakistan to join us? How about we build great institutions, great social service schemes and we will let our nation speak for itself.

Singa Comrade Jaana? Khwasha jhey da ka na?


We are aware that sold out Pashtuns who were loyal to ISI have showed opposition, does that mean they all show opposition? This is not a trick question at all. Can one use Amir Abdur Rehman as a choice to represent all Afghans?

Peera a clarification, majority of Pashtuns in pashtunkhwa have maintained their language and pashto. That is the least of problems. The real issue is that Pashtunkhwa is politically hampered, they are sub divided into many polities which has internally created gaps within Pashtuns. These are not cultural but more political. The real issue in Pashtunkwha is political. Language and pashto is very much there..there are only about two areas where pashto is not spoken as much and those are half of hazara division and parts of DIK.

ISI has Pashtuns, but they have pashtuns on both sides on their payroll, so it isn't as much of an issue of one being more assimilated than the other. Granted there are Pashtuns who have accepted Pakistan as a state and do see their future within this country, but that has nothing to do with their identity...it is merely a present tense way of thinking. Just wanted to clarify.

[Admin Khan]

Thank you this is better.

We cannot afford a second of diverting our entire attention from Afghanistan, no matter what.

I wholeheartedly agree. I never implied that we should begin ignoring our land, I specifically said we should work on creating great institutions with with awesome hair-raising higher education system. We shouldn't be bewildered with our fates, we should know that our most important strategic goal is to see our people educated and Pashto enjoying a prestigious status. Once our people are educated, most of our day to day tragedies will disappear. People won't have time to gossip about one another, people will be too busy teaching our youth calculus problems as opposed to teaching them how to beg.

So we don't need to inspire any one the other side of the Durrand line, it will come from themselves, if the reasons are what you have mentioned which are understandable, if not then we don't belong to each other.

Do we need to inspire? Absolutely, we need to show them that we love them, care for them and that we get saddened when we see our brothers suffer. However, let's not mix apples with oranges, inspiring and annexing are two different political notions. When Afghanistan has a great Army, great social-services, a booming economy with great free higher education, who wouldn't want to join? Who wouldn't want to relocate? You tell me. Why do people come to the USA? Why is the west similarly working on immigration reforms? Its because people want to live in those countries and they don't have enough space for them. They can't afford to further cut down the pie. Our Afghan brothers of Pashtunkhwa want to see that we care, and to those Pashtunkhwa brothers reading my text, copy and paste the following in your minds, we care, we want to see you happy. If Pakistan is what makes you happy, so be it.

So is it fair and rational to advocate your unification when it is not tenable as a policy (only blow-backs) and unreaslistic in aim to antagonise minorities in Afghanistan and creat further disharmony internally, when it is the alst thing we need? Where is the logic there bro?

Why would you want to take such an imprudent course?

I think I tackled this part of your post above and in my previous post.

[Admin Khan]

Peera a clarification, majority of Pashtuns in pashtunkhwa have maintained their language and pashto.

I never said they all have. I said those who have lost Pashto... and went on with my post on what to do with them. I am very well aware that traitors exist on both sides. I already elaborated on this quite extensively. Please refer to my previous post wror jaana. Also, if Pashto schools are not built as soon as possible, the status of Pashto will continue to decline. More and more will adopt Urdu. But let's save that for another thread.

[ComradePashtun]

No you haven't tackled that part, if I can remeber your exact words from your other post, you said you will take a certain path, which I see as a f ailed policy trajectory even now with now with any cost.

We are the ones destroyed, we need the love, care and compassion more than any one, by the way, Admina.

Take care bro, going sleep now.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I think we are looking at this fundamentally from a different angle. I think maybe it is better to start by wronging the internal problems of both the Afghan/Pashtun areas or at least have a semblance of where to begin. It is important for Pashtunkhwa to first re fix the wrongs done within it especially the multiple political divisions, similarly Afghanistan has to basically reboot from 30 years of war. We can't use examples from the 90s and say well Afghanistan was destroyed by war, why would Pashtunkhwa join it? Remember that big parts of Pashtunkhwa are now destroyed as well, first by military operations and second by the recent flooding. These both have had massive political and economic implications...it isn't a coincidence that people are moving to Jalalabad or Kabul for work.
Unification will eventually happen, whether it antagonizes x group or y group, but eventually it will (in some form) due to the fact that this division is not only unnatural but propped up by foreign powers. There are one too many internal contradictions within Pakistan as a state that the amount that it needs to clean up is being hampered by its own 'defenders of the state'. In this instance Pashtuns should start thinking about their future down the line.

[Admin Khan]

No you haven't tackled that part, if I can remeber your exact words from your other post, you said you will take a certain path, which I see as a f ailed policy trajectory even now with now with any cost.

We are the ones destroyed, we need the love, care and compassion more than any one, by the way, Admina.

Take care bro, going sleep now.

How about when you get the chance, you elaborate on the last part. I am confused with several parts of it, you said,

antagonise minorities in Afghanistan and creat further disharmony internally

I don't quite think that is the underlying concern here, Pashtuns of Pakistan if anything will help us in further strengthening our nation. Let's not act as if we are adding people who are aliens, these are our very own people. They do not even have to integrate, they are already integrated in Afghan culture. They don't have to learn the language, they already speak Pashto. I disagree with your part that states it will create disharmony.

If this was coming from a non-Pashtun, It would make more sense. I could see the angle that he might be coming from since he might have Dari in mind all along our conversation. However, I do admit that an influx of more Pashtuns in Afghanistan will equate to the status and influence of Pashto and Pashtuns rising.


Shpa khey pa khair wror Jaana, It was an honor and pleasure speaking to you. Sha shpa darsakha ghwarama.