Who's The Problem?

[tor_khan]

If they really did name the 'NWFP' as Pashtunkhwa-Hazara, I would've always gone out of my way to call it "Subha Sarhad" or "NWFP".

Pashtunkhwa/Afghania = preferable
Pashtunkhwa-Khyber/Pashtunkhwa-Abaseen = acceptable

Anything else is simply unacceptable.

Why doesn't the PML (N) name Punjab as Punjab-Seraikai? .... or something else because the Pakistani province of Punjab no longer has 5 rivers....

Edit: I think the PML (N) is doing a good job at stalling the renaming issue. Eventually, it'll become stone-walled and be relegated to status of a 'non-issue'.

Yaraa lewanaye asal kae daa yaw siyaasee gandh pml jorr karrae da..kaaga largee dee. Pa Afghanistan, Pashtunkhwa ao Kashmir kae dyuu da talibano ao noro militia saraa ba ae mrastha kawal...ao che kala 10 dhamakae pae raaghlal nu hawaa warnaa laarra. Don't expect much from them. Khabaraa dasae da pakistan establishment pakhtun/afghan identity par zidh dee..dyuu khpla nazar bandae pakhtun tol duniya tha raamakhae tha karree dee ya'anee pakhtun = taliban. Kho dyuu na ghwaree chae pakhtun siyasee ddalae khpla khabaraa raa makhae tha kee, wa lae che bya pakistan establishment/isi ao milli urdu altha murdaaree gee. Dyuu da ham nashee manalae chae daa ddalarae/aid che zee agha dae pashtunkhwa tha awal na zee kho dae awal federal hukumath ao army tha zee ao bya pashtunkhwa tha. daa ae hal dae chae 62 kaala na pass hum mung dagha num badhlawalo tha walarr yuu.

Quite agree.

[Master Khan]

pakhtoonkhwa hazaara..whats with the Hazara at the end?..I want just pakhtoonkhwa!!

[tor_khan]

pakhtoonkhwa hazaara..whats with the Hazara at the end?..I want just pakhtoonkhwa!!

• Pakhtoonkhwa
• Abaseen
• Afghania

... and then the small matter of autonomy ...

An absolute necessity in the interests of a peaceful Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[Master Khan]

I rather have NWFP then pakhtoonkhwa hazaara.
This country always screw us Pashtun people.

[Talal]

I rather have NWFP then pakhtoonkhwa hazaara.
This country always screw us Pashtun people.

there are other ethnicities within NWFP that are not pashtun, in order to be fair to all the name will have two parts.

[Dinosaur Khan]

^There are also other ethnicities in punjab, sindh and balochistan. in balochistan, the pashtuns make up half of the total population of province.
Why minorities are highlited only in case of NWFP?

[Dinosaur Khan]

^There are also other ethnicities in punjab, sindh and balochistan. in balochistan, the pashtuns make up half of the total population of province, it deserves renaming also.
Why minorities are highlited only in case of NWFP?

[Dinosaur Khan]

Between pakhtunistan-hazara will be a stupid name, because beside hazara people there are other minorities also like derawals (people of di khan), kohistanis and chitralis.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

there are other ethnicities within NWFP that are not pashtun, in order to be fair to all the name will have two parts.

It's good to have non-Pashtuns here so they can share their perspectives with us Pashtuns.

The Pashtun perspective on this issue is that the will of the minority (10-15%) should not be imposed on the majority (77-85%). It's undemocratic.

Lastly, the PML (N) is not against the name Pashtunkhwa. It believes that it'll lose out on the Hazara vote and that's the only confirmed area for the Nawaz League outside Punjab. If it wants to create a federal government in the next elections, it'd need this area. Moreover, some say the PML (N) doesn't want to see not only the signing of the NFC Award but also the Constitutional Reforms Package under the PPP government... Yesterday's DAWN had a good editorial on this as well as some very insightful letters.

^There are also other ethnicities in punjab, sindh and balochistan. in balochistan, the pashtuns make up half of the total population of province, it deserves renaming also.
Why minorities are highlited only in case of NWFP?

Good post.

[Master Khan]

there are other ethnicities within NWFP that are not pashtun, in order to be fair to all the name will have two parts.

I haven't seen a Hazara in my life!!.

[Talal]

Between pakhtunistan-hazara will be a stupid name, because beside hazara people there are other minorities also like derawals (people of di khan), kohistanis and chitralis.

hazaara is suggestion among many others, other ethnicities in other provinces have no problem with their respective province's names..its only NWFP that there is such a strong issue of ethnicities and what not..Thats because the people from these particular areas have been living in clans and tribes and families so they tend to feel more strongly about their own traditions and everything so they are more sensitive towards these issues and therefore it requires to be dealt with more carefully.

It's good to have non-Pashtuns here so they can share their perspectives with us Pashtuns.

The Pashtun perspective on this issue is that the will of the minority (10-15%) should not be imposed on the majority (77-85%). It's undemocratic.

Lastly, the PML (N) is not against the name Pashtunkhwa. It believes that it'll lose out on the Hazara vote and that's the only confirmed area for the Nawaz League outside Punjab. If it wants to create a federal government in the next elections, it'd need this area. Moreover, some say the PML (N) doesn't want to see not only the signing of the NFC Award but also the Constitutional Reforms Package under the PPP government... Yesterday's DAWN had a good editorial on this as well as some very insightful letters.



Good post.

yes i read the article and i was making that point earlier on here when everybody started cursing the punjabis that its basic politics nothing more, ANP won the election just on this agenda.. The pakistanis from all provinces are in favour of this renaming, however it wont just be pakhtoonkhwa because that would cause unrest among other ethnicities and possible backlash. Therefore it has to be pakhtoonkhwa 'something'

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Why and where will it create backlash? 45 % of balochistan is pashtun/afghan. Quetta is not even a baloch city, but where was this ethnic sensibilities then? Hazara is not even an ethnicity, a good half if not more are pashtuns in that area, so this is just political mumbo jumbo by Pakistan establishment, pml (n). It reminds of the nonsense of muslim league when they considered calling Pashtunistan an unislamic thing, what a joke.

If this type of standard is imposed on one portion of pashtun land, then it should be put forward on the other provinces, but I can guarantee you they will forget all this when it comes to their areas.

[Talal]

Why and where will it create backlash? 45 % of balochistan is pashtun/afghan. Quetta is not even a baloch city, but where was this ethnic sensibilities then? Hazara is not even an ethnicity, a good half if not more are pashtuns in that area, so this is just political mumbo jumbo by Pakistan establishment, pml (n). It reminds of the nonsense of muslim league when they considered calling Pashtunistan an unislamic thing, what a joke.

If this type of standard is imposed on one portion of pashtun land, then it should be put forward on the other provinces, but I can guarantee you they will forget all this when it comes to their areas.

Its Pakistans business, we take care of our own and dont believe in squashing the voice of our minorities maybe if you guys got out of this mindset you might actually be able to unite against a common threat. Pakistani pashtuns have no problems with having hazaara or abaseen in the name and thats all that matters. As to your other point, we in Pakistan are not ethnically divided, Karachi has the largest pashtun population in the world do u see it being renamed to peshawar do you see people in quetta or balochistan making a fuss ?. The reason hazaara or other names are to be included is because these minority ethnicities will feel neglected and Pakistan's GoP doesnt want that.

If we went by your logic of ethnic superiority and dominance, Pakistan would be in no better shape than Afghanistan

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Buddy Karachi has many ethnic conflicts...what rock have you lived under? Second of all I am from Shangla, so kindly do not lecture me about Pashtunkhwa. As I am a Pashtun from that area, it is my business. Forget quashing the voice of minorities (which it has btw, what do you think is happening to Baloch?), they didn't even let the Bengalis live in dignity.
And Pashtuns there do have an issue with it? Do you think we Pashtuns enjoy this division? Pakistan, like its previous master/father, Britain, conitnued the policy of keeping the Pashtuns divided...that is why Pashtuns are divided into balochistan, FATA, and NWFP.
No the reason is that Pakistan establishment has a piss poor record of treating the minorities. The fact of the matter is that hazara is not a minority, it is a region. Talk about lost lolzz

[BLS_1919v2.0]

You still missed the point. If by principle, Pashtuns in nwfp should not get their name in entirety and respect should be given to other minorities, the same should apply to Punjab, balochistan and Sindh.