Who's The Problem?

[Dinosaur Khan]

We pashtuns were wishing only for singular name like pakhtunkhwa or afghania. compound names pakhtunkhwa-hazara and pakhtunkhwa-abaseen are very annoying and lengthy, old NWFP name is even better than these weird names.

[Talal]

Buddy Karachi has many ethnic conflicts...what rock have you lived under? Second of all I am from Shangla, so kindly do not lecture me about Pashtunkhwa. As I am a Pashtun from that area, it is my business. Forget quashing the voice of minorities (which it has btw, what do you think is happening to Baloch?), they didn't even let the Bengalis live in dignity.
And Pashtuns there do have an issue with it? Do you think we Pashtuns enjoy this division? Pakistan, like its previous master/father, Britain, conitnued the policy of keeping the Pashtuns divided...that is why Pashtuns are divided into balochistan, FATA, and NWFP.
No the reason is that Pakistan establishment has a piss poor record of treating the minorities. The fact of the matter is that hazara is not a minority, it is a region. Talk about lost lolzz

There are too many people on internet speaking for pakistani pashtuns whereas they arent one themselves so thats why i asked you to clear that. Secondly bangladesh shouldn't have been a part of Pakistan from the beginning, you cannot possiblyy hope to manage a province which is divided by a country four times the size of your own and which is hell-bent on destroying you.

what is happening in Balochistan ? that area of Pakistan has been largely ignored by the GoP and that caused a lot of bad blood between the centre and balochistan. But recently GoP has taken effective steps to bring balochis into the mainstream society, that includes finishing up gawadar and diverting bulk of the budget into development programs in Balochistan. As to the little miscreants, they were dealt with as traitors are dealt with the exception of Bugti, but thats not surprising considering Musharraf was hated by everyone in Pakistan

Where did i say that hazara is a minority ?? i was referring to ethnic minorities within those regions. And what "piss poor" record ?? agreed Pakistans government isn't exactly an authority on human rights but what genocides are yout talking about ?

[Talal]

We pashtuns were wishing only for singular name like pakhtunkhwa or afghania. compound names pakhtunkhwa-hazara and pakhtunkhwa-abaseen are very annoying and lengthy, old NWFP name is even better than these weird names.

Afghania is out of question it sends too many signals, ANP itself wont put it forward

[Pakhtunzai]

Between pakhtunistan-hazara will be a stupid name, because beside hazara people there are other minorities also like derawals (people of di khan), kohistanis and chitralis.

I agree..its like calling punjab..punjab-seraiki and there are also quite a bit of pakhtuns there too now, we dont see punjab being called punjab-pakhtunistan do we??

[Dinosaur Khan]

Afghania is out of question it sends too many signals, ANP itself wont put it forward

I agree it is a sensitive name but then we have to rename our country because "A" in word pakistan stands for afghania.

[Talal]

I agree it is a sensitive name but then we have to rename our country because "A" in word pakistan stands for afghania.

By that logic a lot of countries would have to change their names, cuz all of them have A in their names

[Dinosaur Khan]

By that logic a lot of countries would have to change their names, cuz all of them have A in their names

i mean to say that creator of word pakistan chauhdry rehmat ali said that "A" in the name stands for afghania province. He said so because NWFP was not a proper name and the region was inhabited by afghans.

we should respect the words of creator of pakistan name.

[Talal]

i mean to say that creator of word pakistan chauhdry rehmat ali said that "A" in the name stands for afghania province. He said so because NWFP was not a proper name and the region was inhabited by afghans.

we should respect the words of creator of pakistan name.

There is a lot of bad blood between pakistan and Afghanistan right nowm everyone here likes to talk about ISI and what-not but rarely anyone here discusses the fact that all of the support for TTP is coming from Afghanistan which is allowing India to fund this insurgency, so renaming it to Afghania is highly unlikely scenario. If the relations between two countries were different there wouldnt have been any dispute

[Dinosaur Khan]

You are right ,Support for TTP is surely coming from india through afghanistan soil. The simpleton afghans are cheering that they are taking revenge from pakistan through their indian brothers.

I think afghania has nothing to do with afghanistan. we are ethnic afghans and if our province is named afghania then nothing is wrong in it.

[Talal]

You are right ,Support for TTP is surely coming from india through afghanistan soil. The simpleton afghans are cheering that they are taking revenge from pakistan through their indian brothers.

I think afghania has nothing to do with afghanistan. we are ethnic afghans and if our province is named afghania then nothing is wrong in it.

They say they dont want proxies yet they allow themselves to be used as tools for blowing up their fellow brothers. Anyways this lil game of india's is finished, we've got them by the balls

[BLS_1919v2.0]

This is nonsense, and Jodigul I expect to know better you are from there. TTP was tacitly supported by ISI and army. This has been reiterated by many people from Pashtunkhwa/afghania, as well as even on declarations by aman tehreek recently in peshawar. As they rightly said "ye jo dehshatgardee hai is ke peechae wardee hai.". Also, if there happens to be a group that is getting support from external groups well that is how the cookie crumbles...ISI created a shar in our areas and now the game is getting out of their hands. I have zero sympathy for them, and there are many pashtuns who would agree to that. Loll@India, it was your intel's little game...nobody else. I love how the drama is now being shifted like this, without anyone of the intel or army taking responsibilities for their blunders in the region.

BTW Afghania is very much being put forward by the nationalists. It sends all the right signals, we are Afghans(Pashtuns) and this is our historic land. I don't see where you all get your ideas from what a joke.

Bangladesh is where the muslim league got its base from, it was where it had its strongest support, they were the majority, if anything they should have been pakistan. This is just a petty excuse for the complete ignorance of the establishment at the time for their rights. In fact, NWFP didn't even really vote for Pakistan, its ruling party was Khudai Khidmatgars, who boycotted the referendum. In turn, muslim league only got 50.5 % of the votes in the settled districts. So if anything, we shouldn't have been part of pakistan, but the Bengalis definitely deserved to. They were just denied their rights.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

If any of you have facebook, access the page and listen to these videos...this was a jirga held in Peshawar, and they knew who the culprits are. The killers of pakhtun qaam sit in GHQ

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1236543115503&ref=mf

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1236543115503&ref=mf#!/video/video.php?v=1236389671667

[Talal]

i dont have the time to sit here and school you kid go join the conspiracy theory club or something dont derail this discussion any further than you already have. TTP isnt a double game anyone with a pinch of sanity would know that, then again reading your posts i guess thats expecting a lot

Anyways troll or whatever you wanna do do it, i just replied this one time to ask you where you moved from ?

ISLAMABAD: Taking advantage of Pakistan Day celebrations, the inhabitants of Kurram Agency have appealed to the government to come to their rescue in the face of long-continuing siege, militants’ barbarism and economic blockade of their region.

Though an open letter, representing the over 0.5 million population of the agency, several locals of Turi and Bangash tribes through e-mails, have sought the government’s intervention to rid them of the militants, who were after them to implement their diabolical agenda.

“Through this open letter/petition, we, half-a-million population of Kurram Agency, Fata capital Parachinar and surroundings, want to draw the attention of the government, media and civil society towards inhuman behaviour being meted out to us on our own land in the form of siege and economic blockade since April 2007, has converted the paradise-like valley into a Gaza Strip,” they said.

They wondered why the state apparatus was helpless in dealing with a very small number of militants and why it lacked the ability to also open the road permanently. They noted through Voice of Parachinar (Parachinar-based website) if Swat and other areas, infested with militants could be cleared, why not the Kurram Agency?

The valley is located on the Pak-Afghan border. The inhabitants have to risk their lives while coming to other parts of Pakistan, as they have to do this via restive Afghanistan. Many of them have lost their lives in the bid during the last three years. The main road leading to the agency is blocked.

“The real challenge to the government is how to permanently make the Tall-Parachinar road secure at least for vehicular movement. But unfortunately, this has not been done so far,” said Hasan Gul Ishrat, who last visited Parachinar in November 2007, told this correspondent here.

He said only a few days back, a suicide bomber hit a convoy, escorted by the FC personnel, again ringing alarming bells, for those who either wanted to visit their families in Kurram Agency or planned to come out of the under siege valley.

Sajid Hussain Turi and Munir Khan Orakzai, the two MNAs are from Kurram Agency, from NA-37 and NA-38, respectively. They too have not been able to freely visit their constituencies, let alone carrying out development works there. They have raised the issue on the floor of parliament several times and also brought it to the notice of President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, but the situation by and large remains unchanged.

Hasan Gul noted the Kurram Agency was divided mainly into Turi and Bangash tribes — Turis were Shias, whereas Bangash Sunnis, but unfortunately, both were hostages and suffering at the hands of the Taliban.

The residents feel that if it was difficult to take on the militants on ground, they could be effectively dealt a decisive blow by helicopters or jets. They have even offered to lead security forces in hunting down the militants.

A journalist from Parachinar, who is Islamabad-based, Ali Hussain Turi, talking to The News requested to the government to launch a decisive action to cleanse the Kurram Agency of militants on the auspicious anniversary of 1940 Resolution.

He said that making the main road safe for public could provide the desperately-needed relief to the people of the Kurram Agency and this ultimately could lead to ending its occupation. Ali’s parents, brothers and sisters have also been under siege in Parachinar for the last three years.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Where I moved from? What do you mean? This is not a conspiracy theory, this is a fact. Lollz you super pakistanis cease to amaze me hahahaa. Even little kids in swat/malakand know this. In fact, ask qrattugai, and other people of the area. They will all say the same. I don't blame you, your not a pashtun, so you didn't see these things, nor did you have family from there. Pradho dasae hal wee, khpl naasth khabarae kaee nuru tha tableegh.

[Talal]

Where I moved from? What do you mean? This is not a conspiracy theory, this is a fact. Lollz you super pakistanis cease to amaze me hahahaa. Even little kids in swat/malakand know this. In fact, ask qrattugai, and other people of the area. They will all say the same. I don't blame you, your not a pashtun, so you didn't see these things, nor did you have family from there. Pradho dasae hal wee, khpl naasth khabarae kaee nuru tha tableegh.

a fact eh and any neutral source to back it up ??