Pakistan's PM, DG ISI and COAS visit to Afghanistan

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Khyaala, I have also noticed Brakzai demonizes every Pashtun leader of the recent past or the present . What he doesn't demonize is the Rawalpindi establishment for the soul of Zia-ul-Haq the great benefector of "Muslim Ummah" would be hurt.

And I cannot understand the specific hatred for Achakzai.

Achekzai is the one up for discussion because you guys pay homage to him and a series of fallacious plans are based on his feudalistic thought processes. I have the same disdain for Mr. Asfandyaar and his ilk as well. I have the same disdain for General Wardak, Tooryalaai Wesa, and other dogwashers that came here to the US while their people bled. I have no issue with true Pashtun leadership. The keyword being true and not some unrepresentative, effeminate elite like Mr. Karzai who fled his country to save his own skin. Nor would I ever except some sick pyschopathic pervert like Najibushaytaan. It is the same disdain I feel for Mr. Chalabi and Mr. Maliki in Iraq, two men that fled Iraq while their people suffered under crushing sanctions. Now, they have the audacity to come back like vulchers and sit on the takhth?

These men are orchestrators of parties and fuedalists to the extreme. They limit a rural driven meritocracy to emerge.

Zia is an outsider and I could care less about him. He is in his tomb and cannot bother anyone today except in memory.

Matthew Hoh, and American sums up my inability to accept these severely disturbed individuals as capable leaders:

"History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets.

So we create a government that rewards one side and excludes the other. So there are cracks in the political order we created. This gets much worse in 2005 or 2006, when we decided extend the government’s power into southern and eastern Pashtun areas. At the same time, various elements of the Taliban and other insurgent factions had strengthened and returned into parts of Afghanistan.The push went badly, since villagers rebelled, turning to the Taliban to get rid of the outsiders. And so the cycle began. We add more troops, which strengthens the Taliban and weakens support for the government. Suicide attacks, IEDs, military and civilian dead or wounded—all rise commensuratelywith eachincrease in foreign troop or Afghan government presence. We misunderstand many ofthecauses of support for the Taliban. They didn’t wear sandwich boards or hand out pamphlets to win people. They are the Pashtuns. Most don’t want to rule the country. They just want to get rid of the occupiers."

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Bacha khan, Faqir Ipi, Khan Shaheed Abdul Samad Khan, Mahmood Khan, Karzai if had been the boot lickers of Punjab, I'm sure they would be your ideal personalities. LOL

The Faqir, in your camp? LOOOL, I just about laughed myself out of my chair. If he had a choice between you and Omar, or ANP acolytes and PMAP boot lickers and Omar he would spit in your faces within 2 seconds.

[khyaal]

Oh where do we start. I think someone spiked your punch at one of those late night gallas you red hatters have where everyone goes home with alcoholic liver disease.

As if you are the initiater of this thread.

Regarding the US: it operates generally based on what is best for its interests except in the case of its interventionsm in the Muslim word (and Latin America). My goal is that the indigenous people in all their lands, whether they want to impose nakedism, islamism, maoism, or whatever ism they desire be able to do so without the Americans being used as a battering ram for the interests of the vocal few (namely you and Toramana and Achekzai Bibi).

And you still preferred that country over any other to live in just to learn how to hate it. Amusing logic. You think you will dupe us with such faulty a logic?

Basically, if you are charging me with being a guilty American loyalist, guilty as charged. I dont think that Tim, Steve, and Bob should die for your silly fantasies. Do it yourself like Bugti did. He didnt run like Achekzai the poodle to take refuge in every country save his own. Also, Mr. Achekzai appears to have a limited intellect, having obtained an engineering "degree" from Peshawar off his daddy's back and yet he has not practiced a day in his life.

We have great praise Bugti for his role reversal working for decades for the Punjabi establishment. But fortunately you can't say the same about Mahmood Khan, Bacha Khan, Khan Shaheed, Faqir Ipi, the traitors of your spiritual home.

Perhaps we can airdrop you, Toramana, Baygham, and Meseed into Wana to deal with Hakimullah, or into Nuristan to deal with Mullah Omar and his merry band of men. That way, multitudes of lives are saved to avoid your silly agendas.

Look by condemning others you can't prove that you are a muslim. Alhamd u lillah I'm. Your actions speak louder than your words. We have seen many Lawrence of the Arabia like you. You are an infidel and opportunist who uses Islam just as a bait to extend your Punjabi masters agenda.

Once again you are a loss and could not answer the glaring contradiction. Ill repeat myself because it gives me joy to watch you squirm in your own intellectual toilet: You claim data cannot be collected.... yet somehow you support Taj ANDERSEN's data... its glaringly contradictory. It just means basically: "I khyaal will cherry pick data that supports my views... even though its weak and has an N power size of 400 people despite claiming a N sample size of 500 or so."

Look I know your worth, I'm sure your are working for far less than Farhat Taj Anderson.

You will never succeed because you cannot think outside the party lines and that little strip of Charsadda where old Asfandyaar likes to smoke his charz from time to time. Regarding my criticism of Pakistan, trust me, its more balanced than yours is because yours is based on some mentally handicapped idealism that has no grounding in reality and no data to back it up. It relies on occupation, hegemony, and a series of false assumptions.

Look I could also extend my horizon by collaborating with your Punjabi masters but I won't even, I'm not that cheap.

It certainly wont be parasites like Achekzai and Asfandyaar that break the back of the Pakistani confederacy that feeds him and built his Quetta estates. We have yet to see Achekzai Bibi succesfully off a single Panjabi soldier. I think it would be interesting to see how many Paki soldiers H Mehsud and his men have killed and put them on the side of the scale versus how many all of the PMAP/ANP members and party leaders have successfully put 6 feet in the ground or sent to their makers.

Bootlickers of General Hamid Gul and General Kiyani are sure can't be expected to say something good about Pashtun(afghan) nation or it leadership. It is in the very nature of Punjab's boot lickers, we have seen several here throughout the history.

[khyaal]

The Faqir, in your camp? LOOOL, I just about laughed myself out of my chair. If he had a choice between you and Omar, or ANP acolytes and PMAP boot lickers and Omar he would spit in your faces within 2 seconds.

No. Faqir in the ISI camp. hahahaha

[Nokia_Apridy]

Zaka za wayam chay.........da 18 feb na walay rosta shway wa..

[BarakzaiAbdali]

As if you are the initiater of this thread.



And you still preferred that country over any other to live in just to learn how to hate it. Amusing logic. You think you will dupe us with such faulty a logic?



We have great praise Bugti for his role reversal working for decades for the Punjabi establishment. But fortunately you can't say the same about Mahmood Khan, Bacha Khan, Khan Shaheed, Faqir Ipi, the traitors of your spiritual home.



Look by condemning others you can't prove that you are a muslim. Alhamd u lillah I'm. Your actions speak louder than your words. We have seen many Lawrence of the Arabia like you. You are an infidel and opportunist who uses Islam just as a bait to extend your Punjabi masters agenda.




Look I know your worth, I'm sure your are working for far less than Farhat Taj Anderson.



Look I could also extend my horizon by collaborating with your Punjabi masters but I won't even, I'm not that cheap.



Bootlickers of General Hamid Gul and General Kiyani are sure can't be expected to say something good about Pashtun(afghan) nation or it leadership. It is in the very nature of Punjab's boot lickers, we have seen several here throughout the history.

LOL, hate the US? Hardly. The US shall do what all empires do. The sad creatures are you and Senorita Achekzai, who cannot make do, are afraid to fall for their cause, and then decided to use innocents to execute their sick games.

And at the end of the day, you preach some fantasy devoid of data. Which is fine, because it just shows that the very patient and practical foe you face, will undo you. There are those that operate in reality and then there are those that play dungeons and dragons and video games and live in virtual reality like you.

You? A Muslim? By backing an outside, non Muslim force propping up Mr. Karzai on his ready to give way throne? LOOOOOL. Forgive me if I fail to see the logic there. Btw, Lawrence of Arabia far more would have enjoyed your company my friend. You were just the type of stool pigeon he could use for his games.

Data please. Dont detract from the subject. Show me a single poll from Nowshera or any other center and I might give you the time of day. Otherwise, you fail.

[khyaal]

Achekzai is the one up for discussion because you guys pay homage to him and a series of fallacious plans are based on his feudalistic thought processes. I have the same disdain for Mr. Asfandyaar and his ilk as well. I have the same disdain for General Wardak, Tooryalaai Wesa, and other dogwashers that came here to the US while their people bled. I have no issue with true Pashtun leadership. The keyword being true and not some unrepresentative, effeminate elite like Mr. Karzai who fled his country to save his own skin. Nor would I ever except some sick pyschopathic pervert like Najibushaytaan. It is the same disdain I feel for Mr. Chalabi and Mr. Maliki in Iraq, two men that fled Iraq while their people suffered under crushing sanctions. Now, they have the audacity to come back like vulchers and sit on the takhth?

By mixing everything in one pot you can't deceive and confuse Pashtun(afghans) mr. US Citizen.

These men are orchestrators of parties and fuedalists to the extreme. They limit a rural driven meritocracy to emerge.

A person who doesn't know why Afghanistan opposed Pakistan's UN membership and becomes the exponent of Punjab's cuase by posting a thread in this forum, can't be expected any good for Pashtun(afghan) nation. You won't spare anyone who is despised by Punjab and its boot lickers. Your character assassination campaign won't raise your worth in the eyes of your masters. Somepeople are fixed-salaried employs.

Zia is an outsider and I could care less about him. He is in his tomb and cannot bother anyone today except in memory.

What Zia has to do with all this?

Matthew Hoh, and American sums up my inability to accept these severely disturbed individuals as capable leaders:

"History tells a different story. The conflict is very complex, multi-dimensional and goes back three decades. In 2001–02 we installed a government in Kabul headed by Karzai. In doing this, we backed one side in a long civil war—the more progressive-secular and urban camp, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras, and some Pashtuns and those who live in the north and west. But it excluded one-third of Afghans, the rural, religious, traditional camp, who are Pashtuns in the south and east—which include the Taliban—whose forerunners we backed in 1980s, against the Soviets.

So we create a government that rewards one side and excludes the other. So there are cracks in the political order we created. This gets much worse in 2005 or 2006, when we decided extend the government’s power into southern and eastern Pashtun areas. At the same time, various elements of the Taliban and other insurgent factions had strengthened and returned into parts of Afghanistan.The push went badly, since villagers rebelled, turning to the Taliban to get rid of the outsiders. And so the cycle began. We add more troops, which strengthens the Taliban and weakens support for the government. Suicide attacks, IEDs, military and civilian dead or wounded—all rise commensuratelywith eachincrease in foreign troop or Afghan government presence. We misunderstand many ofthecauses of support for the Taliban. They didn’t wear sandwich boards or hand out pamphlets to win people. They are the Pashtuns. Most don’t want to rule the country. They just want to get rid of the occupiers."

What secular and religious? Who are you to decide this Mr split personality?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

By mixing everything in one pot you can't deceive and confuse Pashtun(afghans) mr. US Citizen.



A person who doesn't know why Afghanistan opposed Pakistan's UN membership and becomes the exponent of Punjab's cuase by posting a thread in this forum, can't be expected any good for Pashtun(afghan) nation. You won't spare anyone who is despised by Punjab and its boot lickers. Your character assassination campaign won't raise your worth in the eyes of your masters. Somepeople are fixed-salaried employs.



What Zia has to do with all this?



What secular and religious? Who are you to decide this Mr split personality?

Lol, why are you frothing at the mouth like a rabid lap dog of ANP/PMAP/XYZDNP/CBS/ABC etc, the letters dont matter, its all once big farce. Have you ever stopped to think, that Mr. Achekzai roams free in KP and walks around... yet every now and then he claims his life "is in danger?" So he enters the ground like a gopher only to emerge safe and sound on the other side of the hole? Lemme guess... he is soooo powerful that if anyone touched a hair on his head, the whole KP would erupt in flames? Give me a break.

Do you understand quotes? That quote is from Matthew Hoh, an American, not me. Its unfortunate that despite the British being your overlords your mastery over the English language leaves much to be required.

Hmmm, same old canard on a different day. Blah blah blah, Pakistani this and UN that.

Its simple Khyaal, dont detract from the point here:

1) produce data as I have requested that even a sizable majority of KP wants to join in your Karzai led love fest and I will accede. It is that simple my friend. Give me some high N sample size data with some good confident intervals and I will easily say, now we are talking.

2) Fight your own wars. You want NATO as your overlord because you know taht the data in 1 is lacking? So you decided to impose another one of your sick experiments on the Afghan people... just like your near worship if Najib, placing him at the side of Messengers themselves. Go get your gun, find Omar, Fazlullah, and Hakimullah and take care of them yourself. Its that simple.

3) If you are afraid to do 2 and simply skulk that you are a simple party worker, then be quiet and be a bit more humble. I'm waiting for you to follow in the example of the brave Afghans and the FATA people and rouse a rebellion in KP proper. Oh no, wait that was your Flat Earth Society Dream.

[khyaal]

LOL, hate the US? Hardly. The US shall do what all empires do. The sad creatures are you and Senorita Achekzai, who cannot make do, are afraid to fall for their cause, and then decided to use innocents to execute their sick games.

LOL. There is pashto proverb che"Ghul ba hum khuree aw makhooka ba hum sandee'.

And at the end of the day, you preach some fantasy devoid of data. Which is fine, because it just shows that the very patient and practical foe you face, will undo you. There are those that operate in reality and then there are those that play dungeons and dragons and video games and live in virtual reality like you.

Yeah I believe your vision of reality from your choice of adopting US as your country of residence, the most developed but simultaneously the most anti Muslim country. You really have a faculty for objectivity and pragamatism.

You? A Muslim? By backing an outside, non Muslim force propping up Mr. Karzai on his ready to give way throne? LOOOOOL. Forgive me if I fail to see the logic there. Btw, Lawrence of Arabia far more would have enjoyed your company my friend. You were just the type of stool pigeon he could use for his games.

Look, imperialism is imperialism, this way you can't justify Punjab's imperialism in the name of Islam

Data please. Dont detract from the subject. Show me a single poll from Nowshera or any other center and I might give you the time of day. Otherwise, you fail.

LOL. For data ask the master of your masters, Mr. Mounbatton who merged Pashtun by force in Punjab. Lord Mountbatton will provide you some data of Nowshehra, Charsadda and Peshawar.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOL. There is pashto proverb che"Ghul ba hum khuree aw makhooka ba hum sandee'.



Yeah I believe your vision of reality from your choice of adopting US as your country of residence, the most developed but simultaneously the most anti Muslim country. You really have a faculty for objectivity and pragamatism.



Look, imperialism is imperialism, this way you can't justify Punjab's imperialism in the name of Islam



LOL. For data ask the master of your masters, Mr. Mounbatton who merged Pashtun by force in Punjab. Mountbatton will provide you some date of Nowshehra, Charsadda and Peshawar.

Ok now we are talking, that is all I asked for. Give me Mr. Mounbotton's data. If its pre 2009, its the same crap as you float above.

LOL, lordy, the same US canard again. There are people here like Dr. Ron Paul who want nothing to do with your sordid sick fantasy of using his country, the same way israel does, to put the yolk on a mass of people. He prefers you do it yourself. LOOOL, lemme guess, he is a Paki agent.

[khyaal]

Lol, why are you frothing at the mouth like a rabid lap dog of ANP/PMAP/XYZDNP/CBS/ABC etc, the letters dont matter, its all once big farce. Have you ever stopped to think, that Mr. Achekzai roams free in KP and walks around... yet every now and then he claims his life "is in danger?" So he enters the ground like a gopher only to emerge safe and sound on the other side of the hole? Lemme guess... he is soooo powerful that if anyone touched a hair on his head, the whole KP would erupt in flames? Give me a break.

Look! People like you are non-entities for Pashtuns. You have lost all rights to comment about Pashtun(afghans) or their leadership.

Do you understand quotes? That quote is from Matthew Hoh, an American, not me. Its unfortunate that despite the British being your overlords your mastery over the English language leaves much to be required.

Hmmm, same old canard on a different day. Blah blah blah, Pakistani this and UN that.

British being my masters? Mr. asylum seeker to the US?

Its simple Khyaal, dont detract from the point here:

1) produce data as I have requested that even a sizable majority of KP wants to join in your Karzai led love fest and I will accede. It is that simple my friend. Give me some high N sample size data with some good confident intervals and I will easily say, now we are talking.

2) Fight your own wars. You want NATO as your overlord because you know taht the data in 1 is lacking? So you decided to impose another one of your sick experiments on the Afghan people... just like your near worship if Najib, placing him at the side of Messengers themselves. Go get your gun, find Omar, Fazlullah, and Hakimullah and take care of them yourself. Its that simple.

3) If you are afraid to do 2 and simply skulk that you are a simple party worker, then be quiet and be a bit more humble. I'm waiting for you to follow in the example of the brave Afghans and the FATA people and rouse a rebellion in KP proper. Oh no, wait that was your Flat Earth Society Dream.

Look, the data is perhaps availabel in the GHQ Rawalpindi as well as in your masters' master (the British) libraries. Contact your masters, they might help you prove me wrong.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Look people like you are a non-entities for Pashtuns. You have lost all rights to comment about Pashtun(afghans) or their leadership.



British being my masters? Mr. asylum seeker to the US?



Look, the data is perhaps availabel in the GHQ Rawalpindi as well as in your masters' master (the British) libraries. Contact your masters, they might help you prove me wrong.

That's a big resounding equivalent of: "sorry I dont have it... I prefer to live on a non evidence based world."

Sure, Ill abstain from commenting on Afghan affairs once you stop parasitizing off my army here to use as cannon fodder to support a jackass that runs around Kabul in a karakul cap and a green cape like he is some sort of superhero when he is really a not so super zero.

Once you pick up your gun, go over to Afghanistan and defend the corrupt government with your own lives, treasure, and blood, then Ill stop commenting. So long as you maintain your efforts on my tax dollars, I basically own you and can comment endlessly.

The equation is simple as I said:

1) Produce data for us that everyone from Attock to the durand line will rise up in sufficient numbers. I wish this were the case, but I cannot believe in nonstarters without evidence. We have this evidence for Afghanistan

2) Go grab your buddies, and fight your own wars. I am sure with you being so familiar with Afghan lands, you could easily locate Mr. Bin Ladin, Mr. Omar Hotak, Mr. fazlullah, and Mr. Mehsud and have it out with them without using my tax dollars and our weaponry.

[khyaal]

That's a big resounding equivalent of: "sorry I dont have it... I prefer to live on a non evidence based world."

That evidences and data will be acceptible to you but Pashtun(afghan) nation won't recognize any data obtained under Punjab's hegemonic control. We know our situation better here under Punjab's colonization. They won't let even fair census let alone any statistics which could undermine the very roots of this artificial state.

Sure, Ill abstain from commenting on Afghan affairs once you stop parasitizing off my army here to use as cannon fodder to support a jackass that runs around Kabul in a karakul cap and a green cape like he is some sort of superhero when he is really a not so super zero.


Once you pick up your gun, go over to Afghanistan and defend the corrupt government with your own lives, treasure, and blood, then Ill stop commenting. So long as you maintain your efforts on my tax dollars, I basically own you and can comment endlessly.

The equation is simple as I said:

1) Produce data for us that everyone from Attock to the durand line will rise up in sufficient numbers. I wish this were the case, but I cannot believe in nonstarters without evidence. We have this evidence for Afghanistan

2) Go grab your buddies, and fight your own wars. I am sure with you being so familiar with Afghan lands, you could easily locate Mr. Bin Ladin, Mr. Omar Hotak, Mr. fazlullah, and Mr. Mehsud and have it out with them without using my tax dollars and our weaponry.

You can post anything you like to spread lies about Pashtun(afghan) nation or its leadership but it won't carry any credibility since your intentions are very obvious.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

That evidences and data will be acceptible to you but Pashtun(afghan) nation won't recognize any data obtained under Punjab's hegemonic control. We know our situation better here under Punjab's colonization. They won't let even fair census let alone any statistics which could undermine the very roots of this artificial state.



You can post anything you like to post about Pashtun(afghan) nation or its leadership but it won't carry any credibility since your intentions are very obvious.

If a girl like Farhat Taj ANDERSEN can generate fake data... you're telling all you red hatters cannot collectively put your many small brains together to come up with one big idea and do your own study? If new america foundation can do studies there... who is stopping you from doing it in your homeland. Come on man, you are looking ridiculous here. On the one hand you are peddling anti reality that the mighty Pashtuns are ready to rise up like some janhanna fire and burn Pakistan alive... and yet you are so downtrodden you cannot produce a single survey? In all of southern Afghanistan the map is dotted with warlord bastions form Gul agha sherzaay on one side to some dogs of kandahar on the other, and they could produce a survey. Yet you cannot do even this? What good are you if you cannot even work on an evidence based platform.

My intentions be as they may, Mr Pauls or others have nothing to do with mine. They are asking you a simple question:

Ron Paul: Khyaal, why do you gotta use my American army to kill your enemies? Take care of your own issues over there. Do your own dirty work. You claim the masses are behind you, so go ahead light the spark to start the fire you claim will burn.

its that easy.

[khyaal]

If a girl like Farhat Taj ANDERSEN can generate fake data... you're telling all you red hatters cannot collectively put your many small brains together to come up with one big idea and do your own study? If new america foundation can do studies there... who is stopping you from doing it in your homeland. Come on man, you are looking ridiculous here. On the one hand you are peddling anti reality that the mighty Pashtuns are ready to rise up like some janhanna fire and burn Pakistan alive... and yet you are so downtrodden you cannot produce a single survey? In all of southern Afghanistan the map is dotted with warlord bastions form Gul agha sherzaay on one side to some dogs of kandahar on the other, and they could produce a survey. Yet you cannot do even this? What good are you if you cannot even work on an evidence based platform.

What I've to do with the data of Azad Afghanistan for getting rid of Punjabi imperialism? I think your totally out of your mind now. Before this you asked me to provide data about Peshawar or Nowshehra? That was relevant but I replied to that

My intentions be as they may, Mr Pauls or others have nothing to do with mine. They are asking you a simple question:

Ron Paul: Khyaal, why do you gotta use my American army to kill your enemies? Take care of your own issues over there. Do your own dirty work. You claim the masses are behind you, so go ahead light the spark to start the fire you claim will burn.

its that easy.

Who is using Americans? It was one of your masters General Mehmood who deceived Mula Omar not to let Osama leave Afghanistan so that the General could divert the bombs from GHQ Rawalpindi to Kabul and Qandahar.