origin of pashtunised kasabgars

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Gadoonwal! you forget the most import Kasabgar of Pashtun Society i.e Mullah Jan. in our areas Mullahs are also considered Kasabgars coz they do all the religious rituals and customs for money.

Yes, the kasabgar Mullah also validates the nikkah of your mother and father. Keep making fun of Mullah. Says allot about you.

[gadoonwal]

I dont see a source. I see a secular Pathan telling fairy tales.

It means you have very limited knowledge of history.
The yousufzais and gadoons supported the syed ahmd barelvi.
In our area his follower were free.No one enterd our region to fight them.The local people backed him.
The yousufzais under the leadership of khan of penchtaar near swabi gave him every support but then he failed to understood the pashtun culture.
He try to impose his indain made sharia and challenged pashtun way of life.
READ SOME BOOKS BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

It means you have very limited knowledge of history.
The yousufzais and gadoons supported the syed ahmd barelvi.
In our area his follower were free.No one enterd our region to fight them.The local people backed him.
The yousufzais under the leadership of khan of penchtaar near swabi gave him every support but then he failed to understood the pashtun culture.
He try to impose his indain made sharia and challenged pashtun way of life.
READ SOME BOOKS BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS.

You and your fellow Pathan just supported shirk in the other thread and made takfeer because I said what Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam also said.

Considering your attitude and hostility towards Islam and Muslims, I can't trust your account of the story.

READ SOME BOOKS BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS

Which ones? Give me the titles and the names of the authors.

[Forum Member]

Is "banjara" the same as Kasabgar?

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Yes, the kasabgar Mullah also validates the nikkah of your mother and father. Keep making fun of Mullah. Says allot about you.

Hahaha why would a Kasabgar Mullah validate our Nikahs? We do have Muftis n Alims in our own family and luckily they do not attend a wedding or a Janaza for earning money or all the stuff which Kasabgar Mulyan get from the deceased's family like his cloths n shoes etc. mulyan call this Tskhaat and they often fight over it wed each other.
It is said that once a khan invited a kasabgar mullah in the wedding of his son. The mullah did the religious rituals and the dam did his own job. At the end of the wedding the khan was paying all the kasabgars. He give hundred rupees to Dam(singer), naayi and shakhel each. Now he asked Mullah jan that how much money should be given to him? The mullah replied "khan bas che da dam shakhel na rata kam unagory". Lolz

[Smarty]

Yousafzais went against syed ahmad for very stupid reasons. Under his leadership, pakhtuns were able to repel sikh invasions from punjab. But after assassination of most of syed's followers and chasing him away, yousafzais and other pakhtuns had to suffer the humiliating rule of sikhs...most of his followers were rohillas of rohailkhand, his own syed family originated from swat, so there is no sense in the story that they were rejected because they were indians.
Some of his followers survived and made tor ghar their abode, british called them "hindostani fanatics"

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Yousafzais went against syed ahmad for very stupid reasons. Under his leadership, pakhtuns were able to repel sikh invasions from punjab. But after assassination of most of syed's followers and chasing him away, yousafzais and other pakhtuns had to suffer the humiliating rule of sikhs...most of his followers were rohillas of rohailkhand, his own syed family originated from swat, so there is no sense in the story that they were rejected because they were indians.
Some of his followers survived and made tor ghar their abode, british called them "hindostani fanatics"

The pathans seem to have no books recording version of history.

Do you have any books I can read?

I want to investigate this matter thoroughly.

[Smarty]

The pathans seem to have no books recording version of history.

Do you have any books I can read?

I want to investigate this matter thoroughly.

I do not have them, but here are the names of two books
1) Sawanag Ahmedi wa
Tawareekh Ajeeba by Munshi
mohammed jafar Thaneswari 2) Hayat Tayyeba by Mirza
Hairat Delhvi
Both books are biographies of syed ahmad bareilvi and shah ismael delhvi

[Sarbani]

Yousafzais went against syed ahmad for very stupid reasons. Under his leadership, pakhtuns were able to repel sikh invasions from punjab. But after assassination of most of syed's followers and chasing him away, yousafzais and other pakhtuns had to suffer the humiliating rule of sikhs...most of his followers were rohillas of rohailkhand, his own syed family originated from swat, so there is no sense in the story that they were rejected because they were indians.
Some of his followers survived and made tor ghar their abode, british called them "hindostani fanatics"

At first Syed Ahmad was good but then later he began to suppress the Yusafzai by imposing heavy taxes and forcefully marying their women. So the Yusafzais expelled him and all other Indians that had come with him and he was then killed at Balakot, Mansehra by the Sikhs. Also, I've never heard of him claiming Pashtun lineage. He was just a Muslim from India.

[Kushan Prince]

Any more information on these guys? My dad knows these pakis who are meat cutters at the local supermarket who speak pashto and claim to be pashtuns from quetta but look very punjabi in looks.

[gadoonwal]

Any more information on these guys? My dad knows these pakis who are meat cutters at the local supermarket who speak pashto and claim to be pashtuns from quetta but look very punjabi in looks.

yes,they are called kasaban.Kasaban are part of kasabagars.They are not pashtuns by origin.
Some pashtuns also do kasabi but they are not related to the real kasabans.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Any more information on these guys? My dad knows these pakis who are meat cutters at the local supermarket who speak pashto and claim to be pashtuns from quetta but look very punjabi in looks.

The way you described yourself you sound Tajik or Nuristani

[Kushan Prince]

yes,they are called kasaban.Kasaban are part of kasabagars.They are not pashtuns by origin.
Some pashtuns also do kasabi but they are not related to the real kasabans.

interesting. What do they generally look like, do they look like pashtuns or indic groups in pakistan like punjabi?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

That's your self made story gula! No such custom exists in Yousafzais but in Pakhtunkhwa people of Swat and Dir used to sell women. That Wahabi Hindustani named Syed Ahmad and his followers came to Peshawar Valley from Braili(india) with a slogan to fight against the then sikh rulers. Yousafzai's due to their love for islam joined him in his struggle. But when he captured certain areas here he enforced 'his" shariat in those areas and according to that shariat he wanted Yousafzai's to marry their daughters/sisters to the indian Mujahideen that accompanied him all the way from Braili. Now this was a matter of Ghairat for Yousafzais (as is always been) they didn't wanted to have relations with non-pakhtuns, so they became hostile to Syed Ahmad and his men due to which he fled to Balakot and their he was killed in an ambush with the Sikh rulers.

BHAHAHHAHAHAHAH .....Joke? I have pages from Baburnama where Yusufzais cuckolded Bibi Mubaraka out to Mongol Babur to save their hind ends from Babur's ghazab and Babur went on to write about how he basically ravaged her without a Nikkah.

Don't be so disingenuous, Yusufziyan are the first to give out women to a foreigner. Pakhtun Ghairat is a joke SO MANY MANY examples of Pakhtuns giving daughters/women to foreigners ...even kafirs like the British.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

BHAHAHHAHAHAHAH .....Joke? I have pages from Baburnama where Yusufzais cuckolded Bibi Mubaraka out to Mongol Babur to save their hind ends from Babur's ghazab and Babur went on to write about how he basically ravaged her without a Nikkah.

Don't be so disingenuous, Yusufziyan are the first to give out women to a foreigner. Pakhtun Ghairat is a joke SO MANY MANY examples of Pakhtuns giving daughters/women to foreigners ...even kafirs like the British.

We are discussing the causes of Syed Ahmad's downfall and the hostility of Yousafzai against him. I am not telling you which Pashtun tribe have more Ghairat and Pakhtunwali. There are pashtuns who do not care about pashtunwali and ghairat but you can't generalize it for the whole tribe or nation. Referring to those Pashtuns who do not follow the code of Pashtunwali Khushal Khan Khattak has said:
Che dastaar tarree hazar dee
Da dastaar sarree pa shmaar dee
There are good and bad people everywhere and may be pashtuns and Yousafzai's have more Beyghairats but in the case of Syed Ahmad it was their collective ghairat and pakhtunwali which compelled them to raise against him.