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  • #16


    In Pashto, the term kisb literally translates to skill. Kisbgars are generally labourers. Labourers are farmers and handymen who make their living by physical means. Regardless of where they travel, they carry their bread and butter with them. Their well principled work ethics that have been inherited by them from their forefathers leaves them with very little need or fear of ending up at a point in life with nothing to feed their children with. They are not people of greed or manipulation because through out history, they have not depended on anyone else to feed or fetch for them.
    And since you haven't troubled yourself to ask anyone about their opinions of you, it's pretty obvious that you think very high and mighty of yourself. Therefore, if you will excuse me, I will like to point out the fact that you have manged to make an ass out of yourself once again and for what possibly could be the 105th time since you joined this forum.
    The Islam that you speak of so arrogantly was introduced by a man named Mohammad (pbuh). This man was not born a Muslim and neither were any of his immediate followers. Amongst many other admirable qualities that ge had, one quality that was like none other of his time. He used to set slaves free from slavary because the God that he was a messenger of had clearly stated that best ways to redeem ones self for their sins in the presence of God was to set a slave free.
    When the Pashtuns supposedly brought these "kisbgaras" from here or there as slaves, they chose to ignore that fact. In that they were wrong. Today when you stand here and accuse these people of not having been born Muslims, you insult God, the prophet and hazart Bilal ra who was a former slave himself.
    So in your attempt to prove others less, not only do you prove yourself a fool, you also introduce Islam, Pashtuns and pashtunwali as an embarrassment to the rest of te world. I don't know which type or cast of people you are trying to represent here, but I genuinely and wholeheartedly feel pity ashamed for them. Your ignorance/jahalat and lack of humility has not limit to it.


    O, and when you talk about their women, know that yours are not in their spot not because they are pure and pious but because you have tied them in your homes like cattle from the very fear of them ending up there. You know very well that if you had given them the choice, they would be doing things ten times worse. And don't worry, sooner than later, God will curse you for your arrogance and show you the exact reflection of disgust and hatred that you see others in. It has happened to the lightest beings out there. And you are just another idiot.




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    • #17
      Marwat indeed are very patriotic Pakistani..Infact in my life i have never seen any marwat being anti Pakistan.I would rate them as blind patriotic pakistanis

      They are Pro pakistan but very good and true pashtuns

      In my life i have never seen a marwat selling their daughters.Though it is quite common among mehsud and barki(pashttunized ormar)

      Wazir of Bannu doesnt sell their daughters but those of Wana do.Not majority but some of them do.

      In KPK or atleast in Bannu,Swat is famous for selling their daughters.


      NOTE:By selling we doesnt mean they sell their daughters without looking into the marriage matters.The money they recieve is usually invested into buying many things for the brides.All of the money
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Smarty View Post
        Daman are present in swat as well as in your gadoon area. Discussing their origin is a useless topic, after 1857 war even mughal princesses ended up as prostitutes.
        Yousafzais have custom of selling their women for cash, so is the case with gadoon tribe. A wahabi hindostani syed ahmad bareilvi asked yousafzais, utmanzais and gadoons to leave this custom of selling daughters....on this your tribe and yousafzais rebelled against syed ahmad and his hindostani followers.
        Please do jihad against this bad custom in your tribe, be positive.
        That's your self made story gula! No such custom exists in Yousafzais but in Pakhtunkhwa people of Swat and Dir used to sell women. That Wahabi Hindustani named Syed Ahmad and his followers came to Peshawar Valley from Braili(india) with a slogan to fight against the then sikh rulers. Yousafzai's due to their love for islam joined him in his struggle. But when he captured certain areas here he enforced 'his" shariat in those areas and according to that shariat he wanted Yousafzai's to marry their daughters/sisters to the indian Mujahideen that accompanied him all the way from Braili. Now this was a matter of Ghairat for Yousafzais (as is always been) they didn't wanted to have relations with non-pakhtuns, so they became hostile to Syed Ahmad and his men due to which he fled to Balakot and their he was killed in an ambush with the Sikh rulers.
        Na soz sho na saaz sho,
        Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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        • #19
          As far as topic is concerned, In Pakhtunkhwa these days their is complete freedom to everybody including Kasabgars to do whatever kasb they want. At first they were not allowed to educate their children in Schools or to do a respectable job (and that was too british policy, which was endorced by some Khans, Nawabs later) but this division in Pashtun society can't be compared to Hindu caste system. Kasabgars are now doing high rank jobs in government offices they are educating their children more than the Khans and Nawabs (becoz they still considers it shameful to educate their daughters) but yea you can judge a Pure Khanadani pakhtun and a kasabgar by their attitude and behaviour. Allah has created different races and people so that they can know each other.

          "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another." (Sura Hujurat, Verse 49:14)

          "Among His signs is the creation of Heavens and Earth and the variations in your languages and colors, certainly in that are signs for the World. (Surat Rum Verse 22)"
          Na soz sho na saaz sho,
          Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Yousafzai Pakhtun View Post
            As far as topic is concerned, In Pakhtunkhwa these days their is complete freedom to everybody including Kasabgars to do whatever kasb they want. At first they were not allowed to educate their children in Schools or to do a respectable job (and that was too british policy, which was endorced by some Khans, Nawabs later) but this division in Pashtun society can't be compared to Hindu caste system. Kasabgars are now doing high rank jobs in government offices they are educating their children more than the Khans and Nawabs (becoz they still considers it shameful to educate their daughters) but yea you can judge a Pure Khanadani pakhtun and a kasabgar by their attitude and behaviour. Allah has created different races and people so that they can know each other.

            "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another." (Sura Hujurat, Verse 49:14)

            "Among His signs is the creation of Heavens and Earth and the variations in your languages and colors, certainly in that are signs for the World. (Surat Rum Verse 22)"

            The verses you mentioned do not say we should divide people into castes. Neither does it justify tribalism.
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Yousafzai Pakhtun View Post
              That's your self made story gula! No such custom exists in Yousafzais but in Pakhtunkhwa people of Swat and Dir used to sell women. That Wahabi Hindustani named Syed Ahmad and his followers came to Peshawar Valley from Braili(india) with a slogan to fight against the then sikh rulers. Yousafzai's due to their love for islam joined him in his struggle. But when he captured certain areas here he enforced 'his" shariat in those areas and according to that shariat he wanted Yousafzai's to marry their daughters/sisters to the indian Mujahideen that accompanied him all the way from Braili. Now this was a matter of Ghairat for Yousafzais (as is always been) they didn't wanted to have relations with non-pakhtuns, so they became hostile to Syed Ahmad and his men due to which he fled to Balakot and their he was killed in an ambush with the Sikh rulers.
              Did sayed Ahmed Barelwi force yousufzais to marry their women to non-Pashtuns?
              Originally posted by Firdousi
              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                Did sayed Ahmed Barelwi force yousufzais to marry their women to non-Pashtuns?
                Is it allowed in Islam to marry somone outside your race?(If he/she is muslim aswell)
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                  Is it allowed in Islam to marry somone outside your race?(If he/she is muslim aswell)
                  Prophet muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam married non-Arabs.

                  One black ex-slave who was famous as an ugly and poor person wanted to get married. Prophet muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam encouraged him to marry the most beautiful Arab woman from a noble family. the purpose of this marriage was to violate Arab traditions.

                  Today people no longer do such things. But from an Islamic point of view, such marriages should be encouraged. After all, Prophet Muhammad came to brake traditions of jaahiliyyah. Tribalism and caste system is jaahiliyyah.

                  This should answer your question.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                    Did sayed Ahmed Barelwi force yousufzais to marry their women to non-Pashtuns?
                    Yes his shariah/law ordered so and many of his friends married daughters/sisters of the yousafzai khans. yar muhammad khan of peshawar was one among them who rose a standard of revolt against this so called sharia later.
                    Na soz sho na saaz sho,
                    Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                      The verses you mentioned do not say we should divide people into castes. Neither does it justify tribalism.
                      Where did i say this? Did i?
                      Na soz sho na saaz sho,
                      Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Yousafzai Pakhtun View Post
                        Yes his shariah/law ordered so and many of his friends married daughters/sisters of the yousafzai khans. yar muhammad khan of peshawar was one among them who rose a standard of revolt against this so called sharia later.
                        Do you have a neutral source for this?

                        I keep hearing this from secular yousufzais.

                        I suspect them of fabricating this story to justify their ghadr.

                        I may be wrong. I want to see evidence of him FORCING marriage.
                        Originally posted by Firdousi
                        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                          Do you have a neutral source for this?

                          I keep hearing this from secular yousufzais.

                          I suspect them of fabricating this story to justify their ghadr.

                          I may be wrong. I want to see evidence of him FORCING marriage.

                          hahhaa. If you have a little bit of common sense you would not reject this historical fact.
                          If Yousafzais were Ghadar(as you said) Why would they have cooperated and supported those Indians i.e Syed Ahmad and his men at the beginning? When syed Ahmad started his movement he couldn't get any support from the Indian Muslims nor the Punjabis, he went from place to place and then he came to Peshawar valley, the Yousafzai's who always supported religious movements (but ironically every time they were deceived and the Mullahs can't keep their words) they supported him and fought wars with the Sikh army. One battle was fought at my village and the place is still known as "Sangar" there. The people fully cooperated him but when he tried to impose his own version of Sharia which challenged their Ghairat and Pakhtunwali, they rebelled.
                          Na soz sho na saaz sho,
                          Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
                            kASABAGARS are jolagan,chumyaran,zargaran,daman,parachgan,nandapa n,tarkanan,awanan,kulalan and many more names.
                            Gadoonwal! you forget the most import Kasabgar of Pashtun Society i.e Mullah Jan. in our areas Mullahs are also considered Kasabgars coz they do all the religious rituals and customs for money.
                            Na soz sho na saaz sho,
                            Bas hasy jwand tamam sho

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Yousafzai Pakhtun View Post
                              hahhaa. If you have a little bit of common sense you would not reject this historical fact.
                              If Yousafzais were Ghadar(as you said) Why would they have cooperated and supported those Indians i.e Syed Ahmad and his men at the beginning? When syed Ahmad started his movement he couldn't get any support from the Indian Muslims nor the Punjabis, he went from place to place and then he came to Peshawar valley, the Yousafzai's who always supported religious movements (but ironically every time they were deceived and the Mullahs can't keep their words) they supported him and fought wars with the Sikh army. One battle was fought at my village and the place is still known as "Sangar" there. The people fully cooperated him but when he tried to impose his own version of Sharia which challenged their Ghairat and Pakhtunwali, they rebelled.
                              I dont see a source. I see a secular Pathan telling fairy tales.
                              Originally posted by Firdousi
                              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Yousafzai Pakhtun View Post
                                Gadoonwal! you forget the most import Kasabgar of Pashtun Society i.e Mullah Jan. in our areas Mullahs are also considered Kasabgars coz they do all the religious rituals and customs for money.
                                Thats true wrora,
                                i forgot to mention ,,mula,,saib sorry.
                                mulas are now leading and controling pashtuns from mosques.
                                mulayan are the leading kasabgars.
                                In past ,,maingan,,also played a role but they are no longer in control.



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