Your response....

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Meemwawmeemnoon,

Would you agree that asking someone to move because a few beghairat people are bothering her is a bit too extreme? Wouldn't something like traveling to her house on a different street etc be more applicable as opposed to moving everytime someone says, "Hi, You are pretty?"

Just a thought.

Dearest brother, I was referring to extreme cases.

If a woman carries herself in a dignified manner it won't happen the second time by the same man.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Beloved and dearest brother,

A luchak is a luchak!

The least the girl can is to follow Islamic injunctions and not respond back. That is all that I am saying.

Leave the rest in the hands of Allah.

This topic is encouraging discussion on what to say. I totally disagree with a woman degrading herself to respond to a pervert.

Women are dignified. They have been created as such. Don't let a loser take that away from you by responding to him.

Yes but as guys we don't go through it, so it is hard for us to comprehend it. Ye they (and guys as well) should follow what Islam says, but again easier said then done, since for us guys it is a compliment if a girl 'checks us out; (general scenario), but girls I assume it is different. Allah u aalim.

[PFgulalai]

It's more how you carry yourself and you body language. If you exude confidence and boldness, guys would think twice before getting in trouble with you. On the other hand, if you appear timid, fearful, and weak, then you definitely incur the wrath of the "such" males.
While considering the wildness of some males, they could be potential danger to any woman--bold or timid; covered or naked; tall or short, etc. The best thing is to protect yourself as much as you can.My reaction to a particular situation is spontaneous (depending upon the severity of the situation). Self-defense classes have helped me in boosting my self-confidence in such situations. Certain comments/gestures can be ignored; certain winks can be ignored; but when it comes to unbearable ones I would not tolerate since simply ignoring would just put me in a more miserable condition. I can ignore comment like "what is your number?", but offensive sexual advances, comments, or acts would stimulate my basic defensive (natural) instincts quite reasonably and hence I will deal with the situation accordingly.

[Roshina]

^ Self-defense classes are rrrrreally worth taking! If they don't help in making you keep yourself safe physically, they at least make you more confident in yourself. And I think many women -- programmed to grow into timid, shy, insecure women -- would benefit from them greatly.

Gulalai, you should share some tips in the thread we have created for self-defense for women. Here --> http://www.pashtunforums.com/pashtun...ips-women-121/

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Yes but as guys we don't go through it, so it is hard for us to comprehend it. Ye they (and guys as well) should follow what Islam says, but again easier said then done, since for us guys it is a compliment if a girl 'checks us out; (general scenario), but girls I assume it is different. Allah u aalim.

It is not a compliment. You might think it is a compliment.

Your looks are not yours. You did not work for it. You can only take care of yourself to stay healthy, but end of the day it is your looks that matter. And that is not your own work. It has been bestowed upon you by Allah.

As for your akhlaaq, that is what you should work on. And even then you should hate it when people compliment your akhlaaq. A believer, only seeks the respect of his Creator. Allah Ta'ala respects people by bestowing favour upon believers when He gives them respect.

One of those forms of respect is Martyrdom.

If a handsome man rather fight for his deen and stay pure rather to stoop low because he could have all girls then Allah will bestow Martyrdom on him instead because he walked in a dignified mannner, instead of having all the girls he could have had.

Physical beauty is limited to those who care for flattery. Internal beauty is only limited to the eyes of Allah and those dignified people.

Flattery is Satan's tool.

[PFgulalai]

Dearest brother, I was referring to extreme cases.

If a woman carries herself in a dignified manner it won't happen the second time by the same man.

MWMN, I have seen burqa-clad (dignified) women being sexually harassed by random guys in the crowded places of Saddar Bazaar in Peshawar as much as the just-saloo (undignified) wearing girls.
Would you tell them not to go to Saddar Bazaar? What a nonsense of profoundest degree!!

[Roshina]

If a woman carries herself in a dignified manner it won't happen the second time by the same man.

This is completely untrue. It may depend on which society you live in (I doubt even that, though), but it is completely untrue for at least most females. And as some females here have said, nothing helps them in keeping men away, even dressing what you'd consider decently or modestly or Islamically.

However, would it be safe for me to assume that you're saying that the only reason a female would get teased by the same man more than once is if she's not carrying herself in a "dignified" manner? In which case, it's the woman's fault for getting harassed?

As I always say, let the women talk when they're the ones who know better about a certain topic or situation -- like this one.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This is completely untrue. It may depend on which society you live in (I doubt even that, though), but it is completely untrue for at least most females. And as some females here have said, nothing helps them in keeping men away, even dressing what you'd consider decently or modestly or Islamically.

However, would it be safe for me to assume that you're saying that the only reason a female would get teased by the same man more than once is if she's not carrying herself in a "dignified" manner? In which case, it's the woman's fault for getting harassed?

As I always say, let the women talk when they're the ones who know better about a certain topic or situation -- like this one.

You see dearest sister,

one has to adjust to one's environment. That is why in certain environment to be in the presence of a mahram is so important. and in certain cases to go fully veiled

Another note, sister, sometimes when Allah's wrath hits a people, He makes them lose all sense of dignity. Muslim countries are especially a good example of this today. Not even a full veil can help a woman in Muslim countries.

These are signs to look for when judging if Allah is angry with a particular country or not.

I am not saying that Western countries are safe, but here a woman can wear simple clothes without even going veiled in some cases and she won't be harassed.

[PFgulalai]

This topic is encouraging discussion on what to say. I totally disagree with a woman degrading herself to respond to a pervert.

Women are dignified. They have been created as such. Don't let a loser take that away from you by responding to him.

Oh, so you mean to say that the next time a guy attacks a girl to rape her, she should not respond???What the hell!!!
If a woman responds to protect herself against the beast, she is is degrading herself? What the hell!
A woman allowing a man degrading her, should remain dignified by not responding to him in order to avoid degrading herself.What the hell!!

[PFgulalai]

dressing modestly would obviously help. Its common sense.

Shlombay, if not 100%, majority of the Pashtanee here do dress modestly (I assume here).Yet they do not consider safe.Why is itso hard to accept the reality that women do get harassed all across the globe,whether covered or uncovered, verbal or physical, or at home or outside on streets. What kind of a lame logic is this? Being Muslim or Christian does not help you in not getting harassed my males.I am talking about this--the REAL/IMPERFECT--world, I don't know if you live in some PERFECT world of yours.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Shlombay, if not 100%, majority of the Pashtanee here do dress modestly (I assume here).Yet they do not consider safe.Why is itso hard to accept the reality that women do get harassed all across the globe,whether covered or uncovered, verbal or physical, or at home or outside on streets. What kind of a lame logic is this? Being Muslim or Christian does not help you in not getting harassed my males.I am talking about this--the REAL/IMPERFECT--world, I don't know if you live in some PERFECT world of yours.

wo pa pekhawar saddar bazaar khalk ham tsa kam na woo..zanae wakhtoona ba kha spak starrgae ae raamakhae kawall....even when people have their faces covered.

P.S. this isn't anti pekhawar just an example...I love pekhawar.

[PFgulalai]

All I meant to say was yes they might get harassed but by wearing a scarf or hijab the harassment will decrease. It obviously will not go away. My friends will tease a girl who is exposing her rear end first before they ever go up to a hijabi girl. Its the nature of men.

My observations and experiences (real!!) are different than the propositions that you are presenting here. Bad men harass women whether they are wearing Hijab or wearing the minimum-essential. Good men do not harass women--covered or uncovered. Good women like good men.Bad women like bad men.That is my conclusion.

[PFgulalai]

wo pa pekhawar saddar bazaar khalk ham tsa kam na woo..zanae wakhtoona ba kha spak starrgae ae raamakhae kawall....even when people have their faces covered.

P.S. this isn't anti pekhawar just an example...I love pekhawar.

Au kana BLS, ma pa khapal goonahgaro stargoo tamashe karee de..moonga pa Bazaar ki wror au plaar sara ba chi woo no ughwee ba raana geer chapeera garzedaa..au chi mor ya tror sara ba woo, no bya bum khair na woo...pa akhira by moonga Saddar ta tlaal preekha..doomra shamaol ba woo chi bas tapos ye ma kawa..au da hom chi la pakee ghat saloo au pooza pata karee wee..Pekhawar wee au ka New York, kharab saree hom yaw shantee wee...

P.S. I love Pekhawar too.Pekhawar kho Pekhawar de kana

[ayub]

lolz nowadays hijabis wear skin tight chest hugging clothes..many hijabis are the biggest hypocrites.

As for hijab protecting woman or hijabis being stared at...it's the men who have the issues not the women. Women shouldn't really need to cover up especially in a 'muslim' country because all the men their would of course be 'good' Muslims who wouldn't dare look at a woman.

Men are the problem. Men should put on blindfolds that way they won't see women and lust after them.

Okay, imma go e-flirt on a different thread now. Lolz.

[IamDZJ]

lolz nowadays hijabis wear skin tight chest hugging clothes..many hijabis are the biggest hypocrites.

As for hijab protecting woman or hijabis being stared at...it's the men who have the issues not the women. Women shouldn't really need to cover up especially in a 'muslim' country because all the men their would of course be 'good' Muslims who wouldn't dare look at a woman.

Men are the problem. Men should put on blindfolds that way they won't see women and lust after them.

Okay, imma go e-flirt on a different thread now. Lolz.

you can donate the future of your off springs in to creating however type of the society that you wish to see in future.