Pashtun genetics?

[Tjanaparh]

This man looks really quiet Turkic, could be easily mistaken for an Uzbek or even more Central Asian Tatar

[pashtanajan]

Yeah the big lower lip and wide nose is a huge giveaway. Do you ever wonder why some pashtuns look like that? I thought i was a master at telling who is pashtun and who is not just by looking at them.

Afghanistan has many ethnic groups. Pashtun men have married with other minorities, and so that may account for why some Pashtuns appear different than what a stereotypical Pashtun should look like.

[Kushan Prince]

Afghanistan has many ethnic groups. Pashtun men have married with other minorities, and so that may account for why some Pashtuns appear different than what a stereotypical Pashtun should look like.

Well that's true. I have seen a few Pashtana's and honestly they look a bit different from an angle lol. Do you think your family members mixed with different ethnic groups like hazara, uzbek etc?

[pashtanajan]

Well that's true. I have seen a few Pashtana's and honestly they look a bit different from an angle lol. Do you think your family members mixed with different ethnic groups like hazara, uzbek etc?

The current generation has intermarried with other ethnicities. In the past, the only inter-ethnic marriage that occurred was between Pashtun men and Non-Pashtun women. This pattern still seems to hold today in my family, though my Aunt for instance has married an Uzbek. Her children all speak Pashto though, and are much more active in the Pashtun community.

I think your mother's ethnicity and language influences you more than your father's; I believe this accounts for why so many Pashtuns don't speak Pashto, as their mothers are from other ethnicities, and since Pashtuns are a patriarchal society, the mother's ethnicity is overlooked and her children are considered Pashtun (and these children are later blamed for being 'Persianized').

[Kushan Prince]

The current generation has intermarried with other ethnicities. In the past, the only inter-ethnic marriage that occurred was between Pashtun men and Non-Pashtun women. This pattern still seems to hold today in my family, though my Aunt for instance has married an Uzbek. Her children all speak Pashto though, and are much more active in the Pashtun community.

I think your mother's ethnicity and language influences you more than your father's; I believe this accounts for why so many Pashtuns don't speak Pashto, as their mothers are from other ethnicities, and since Pashtuns are a patriarchal society, the mother's ethnicity is overlooked and her children are considered Pashtun (and these children are later blamed for being 'Persianized').

This is true.

My uncle's wife is a farsiwan from balkh and their kids only speak farsi but understand pashto. It seems like the mother's side is only remembered and they adhere to their culture. But why can't Pashtuns just marry within each other for gods sake? lol.

[Haris]

It was a typo. You know what I meant. I know this guy personally who told me that the amarkhels belong to the greater wardak tribe. They also belong to the durani sector NOT the Khijis which the Ghilzai are party of. Also all these test are pretty useless and prove nothing. All it proves in your case is that you are full pashtun mixed with different tribes. That's all.

I concur with Midnight_Sun.

You are mixing Amarkhel with Mirkhel.
The Amarkhel in Wardag province live in Maidan Shahr as you said.
Just because they are from Wardag, it does not mean that they are Wardags.
Amarkhel are Ghilzai Pukhtuns.



The Mirkhel tribe is one of the three main Wardag tribes along with Nuri & Mayar.
No Wardag tribe belongs to either the 'Durani sector' or the 'Khiljis'.
Wardags are Karlanri Pukhtuns.

Has anyone noticed that the pashtuns of uruzgan and the Wardak tribe in general look a bit mongoloid? I have noticed this with this wardak family i know and they look a bit different then us.

I, too, have come across some Wardags with mongoloid features.
The reason for that is because Wardags are not the original inhabitants of Wardag.
It was initially occupied by Mohmand Pukhtuns.
They were driven out by the invading Mongols & their descendants.
Those Mongols were in turn driven out by the Wardag Pukhtuns who came from Paktika.
The province was named after those people.
Over the last few hundred years the Wardags have been expanding westward (though this stopped around 150+ years ago and there is now absolutely no animosity between your average Wardag & Hazara).
The Hazaras are now limited to the remote Behsud districts.
This encroachment is reflected by the fact that there are districts in Wardag (Dai Mirdad & Jaghatu) that are named after old Hazara tribes and yet are almost exclusively Wardag-Pukhtun dominated.

So the reason you might see Wardags with mongoloid features is that their ancestors took the local women for themselves.

I should stress though that there are relatively few Wardags with such features. Even those Wardags are fiercely Pukhtun in their disposition.

[Kushan Prince]

I concur with Midnight_Sun.

You are mixing Amarkhel with Mirkhel.
The Amarkhel in Wardag province live in Maidan Shahr as you said.
Just because they are from Wardag, it does not mean that they are Wardags.
Amarkhel are Ghilzai Pukhtuns.



The Mirkhel tribe is one of the three main Wardag tribes along with Nuri & Mayar.
No Wardag tribe belongs to either the 'Durani sector' or the 'Khiljis'.
Wardags are Karlanri Pukhtuns.





I, too, have come across some Wardags with mongoloid features.
The reason for that is because Wardags are not the original inhabitants of Wardag.
It was initially occupied by Mohmand Pukhtuns.
They were driven out by the invading Mongols & their descendants.
Those Mongols were in turn driven out by the Wardag Pukhtuns who came from Paktika.
The province was named after those people.
Over the last few hundred years the Wardags have been expanding westward (though this stopped around 150+ years ago and there is now absolutely no animosity between your average Wardag & Hazara).
The Hazaras are now limited to the remote Behsud districts.
This encroachment is reflected by the fact that there are districts in Wardag (Dai Mirdad & Jaghatu) that are named after old Hazara tribes and yet are almost exclusively Wardag-Pukhtun dominated.

So the reason you might see Wardags with mongoloid features is that their ancestors took the local women for themselves.

I should stress though that there are relatively few Wardags with such features. Even those Wardags are fiercely Pukhtun in their disposition.

Oh so you are saying those Wardags who came from paktia mixed with a few mongols giving them a different look? I guess that makes sense but how come other pashtuns don't look like that if they have mixed?

[Haris]

Oh so you are saying those Wardags who came from paktia mixed with a few mongols giving them a different look? I guess that makes sense but how come other pashtuns don't look like that if they have mixed?

Not all of them. In fact very few of them would have, otherwise you would see such features more widespread among Wardags.
In reality, like I said, very few Wardags look like that. Many Wardags have coloured eyes and coloured hair for instance without the mongoloid features (my whole family other than myself have green eyes, I had brown hair but its now black....though my beard is a mix).


Which other Pashtuns do you know of that invaded a predominantly Hazara area and drove out those inhabitants taking that area as their new homeland? There's your answer to that question. Wardags have killed more Zaragaan than any other group of Pashtuns. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing is up to you.

Also you do still get Pashtuns from other provinces (i.e. Kandahar) with such features...though the reasons for that will differ.

[Kushan Prince]

Not all of them. In fact very few of them would have, otherwise you would see such features more widespread among Wardags.
In reality, like I said, very few Wardags look like that. Many Wardags have coloured eyes and coloured hair for instance without the mongoloid features (my whole family other than myself have green eyes, I had brown hair but its now black....though my beard is a mix).


Which other Pashtuns do you know of that invaded a predominantly Hazara area and drove out those inhabitants taking that area as their new homeland? There's your answer to that question. Wardags have killed more Zaragaan than any other group of Pashtuns. Whether you think that's a good or bad thing is up to you.

Also you do still get Pashtuns from other provinces (i.e. Kandahar) with such features...though the reasons for that will differ.

Your'e right.

I have seen Pashtuns from different tribes that also look a bit mongoloid, well obviously some mixed with hazara's but majority of them were killed like you said. I have also seen the reverse thing with a few hazaras, some of them look Caucasoid, maybe those hazaras mixed with pashtuns giving them those looks?

[Karachi]

This is a good article on Harrapa Ancestry project: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn.../#.UgGOm6yK-AM

[کیش]

Are the Khadar Khel's both considered Kharoti and Waziri? There's a sub branch of Wazir that's Khadar Khel, and a Khadar Khel from Kharoti. There's also a village of Khadar Khel on the border of the province of Paktika and North Waziristan, and there's a village of Khadar Khel a few kilometers away inside North Waziristan?

I'm a Khadar Khel, and my family says we're Kharoti. But my great grandparents left their village during the 20's right about the time between the British-Waziri war) to live in a refugee camp in Ghazni before relocating to Kabul. My parents were both born in Kabul and obviously weren't alive in that time so they don't know too much about this issue. My grandfathers were brothers, and my dads dad was born in Ghazni in 1926, and my mothers father is the oldest sibling and my mom doesn't really know where he was born.

There's also syedagi's (descendants of the Prophet) in North Waziristan, and my great grand mother was one. She spoke Arabic as a first language and Pashto as second.

[HalloIsBack]

do someone of you have a medical education? no! so why do you speak about something about you don't have any clue?

btw my genes are the best shut up the rest!

[کیش]

do someone of you have a medical education? no! so why do you speak about something about you don't have any clue?

btw my genes are the best shut up the rest!

seriously don't know what the f*** are you doing here? you don't contribute anything, all you do is troll around and waste bandwidth

[RevolutionThroughReason]

There's also syedagi's (descendants of the Prophet) in North Waziristan, and my great grand mother was one. She spoke Arabic as a first language and Pashto as second.

Was your grandmother Syrian or Iraqi? because the Syeds of Afghanistan are usually from one of the two.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

In Kandahar you have people who claim to be Chaghatai and Chaghatai is an Uzbek/Mongol clan. Whether or not it is merited this is their claim; strangely NONE I have met look Mongoloid; but that maybe due to a Mongol man marrying Pashtun women and eventually descendants marrying with other locals and diluting it.