Split Discussion: Should Pashto Be Standardised with a Roman Script?

[ScimitarXEdge]

based on my admittedly cursory knowledge of computer science; I think the idea of a technical benefit of a Romanized script to be a faulty and a clear mask for culturally subserviant/inferiority complex driven motives masquerading as rationality; when really being highly irrational/

Firstly if we examine the nature of something as basic as ascribing binary values to letters. It would simply make no sense Every letter of the Roman Script has a certain assembly of values. Now When you take a Pashto word like

"zjhamai" zjhamai is spelled with a "zjh" now that's 3 letters, which means it would correspond to 3 times the values. Now if we used the Pashto script that we currently have, we'd have 1/3rd of that theoretically, and furthermore we could, depending on proficiency of the readers of the language get rid of the zewar (zer, pesh , zabar etc etc) so that voweling is reduced, this way we can optimalize memory usage and processing efficiency.

If we argue from a vantage of latinized or Hellenic scientific language, This is intellectual subservience; just like many people have innovated words from preexisting Pashto words like Electronic Mail became "Brikhnalik" or electricity became "brikhna"

However; if we want to go by pure rationality without any cultural attachments; this would be a true challenge for those who claim their motives are rational; when we know they really suffer from White man induced inferiority and low self esteem issues.

We should have Arabic as a scientific language over latin or greek. Even in Sciences so many words are of arabic origins, Sugar, Alcohol, Alkaline Chemistry, Algebra, Azimuth.

But asides from that, Arabic has a unique feature; it uses Tri-Literal Root system which makes it multiapplicable; you can compound words easier and apply them based on their root system.

for example the the root "ra ba ayn"; can be Four (Arb'ah) or rab'iah (spring) or muraba' (square). It follows a very logical system of procession unlike latin or greek which are very arbitrary.

[ScimitarXEdge]

But furthermore this is based on the assumption that foreign models of progress are intrinsically valid.

In reality we're better off in balance with nature than following our current way of life; only reason we follow this way of life is because it's imposed on us artificially. So the arguments that try to evaluate our progress by it is solely rooted in a feeling of inferiority rather than rationality.

[graveyardofempires]

All the solutions Muslims use today are "foreign" based because they cannot produce their own (due to the archaic value system and the tendency to de-evolve)...Even they cannot use a foreign based solution efficiently and usually abuse it (due to negativities rooted in culture and religious traditions)...

If it were not for Berner-Lie, Muslims would not have come up with HTML and WWW for probably few hundred years...

I consider it irrational to resist something with proven effectivesness on the ground that it originated in a foreign civilization and not your own (intellectually-moribund) civilization...

well if it wasnt for muslims who invented algorithm you will have no computers.
now go back and take a nap.
btw if it wasnt for muslims you wouldnt have this modern world you are living in.

[Feroza_Banu]

^the reason why we have 'swat' and 'zwat' and other repeated alphabets is because pashto has some arabic words that are used on daily bases...and if we remove them then we basically will be writing those words wrong, because those are originally arabic words, whether we like it or not haha...

plus... Dari/Farsi words are also used in pashto, which needs to be spelled correctly.

and did you forget the 10000s of arabic and farsi names that have swat and zwat in it... we will be miss spelling thousands of names in writing.

[Soldat_Amir]

I support the full Pashtunization of Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa.

Every citizen should be able to Speak Pushto, Dari can be classed as a secondary language.

In a Loy Afghanistan/Pakhtunkhwa, Majority will be Pashtun, so hence, everyone should speak Pushto, with Dari second and Russian/English as optional as they are the most dominent languages of the region in trade and education.

Scrap the Arabic scrip for our language and return back to our Original text which Toramana mentioned and highlighted on another thread.

[muslim]

I support the full Pashtunization of Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa.

Every citizen should be able to Speak Pushto, Dari can be classed as a secondary language..

i agree.

In a Loy Afghanistan/Pakhtunkhwa, Majority will be Pashtun, so hence, everyone should speak Pushto, with Dari second and Russian/English as optional as they are the most dominent languages of the region in trade and education.

Scrap the Arabic scrip for our language and return back to our Original text which Toramana mentioned and highlighted on another thread.

arabic should be important as pashtu and dari.

[IamDZJ]

When i was in Afghanistan I noticed that most professional buildings had their pashtu and Dari names written in English below pashtu and Dari script. Apparently the government had banned everyone from naming their businesses in English. *They had all government owned buildings and businesses *named in pashtu and Dari while privately *owned ones were either pashtu or Dari. I liked that idea.*

[ScimitarXEdge]

I support the full Pashtunization of Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa.

Every citizen should be able to Speak Pushto, Dari can be classed as a secondary language.

In a Loy Afghanistan/Pakhtunkhwa, Majority will be Pashtun, so hence, everyone should speak Pushto, with Dari second and Russian/English as optional as they are the most dominent languages of the region in trade and education.

Scrap the Arabic scrip for our language and return back to our Original text which Toramana mentioned and highlighted on another thread.

can you show evidence of Pashto written in this ancient script?

[khushal]

I support the full Pashtunization of Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa.

Every citizen should be able to Speak Pushto, Dari can be classed as a secondary language.

In a Loy Afghanistan/Pakhtunkhwa, Majority will be Pashtun, so hence, everyone should speak Pushto, with Dari second and Russian/English as optional as they are the most dominent languages of the region in trade and education.

Scrap the Arabic scrip for our language and return back to our Original text which Toramana mentioned and highlighted on another thread.

not gonna happen. pashto is too far behind in literature. how can you teach science, engineering, medicine in pashto. there is hardly any literature written to teach in it. you need incentive for people to learn pashto. forcing people wont work.

bringing ancient text is ludicrous. people move forward not backward. If you want to replace it, it is more feasible to replace it with the roman alphabet. but the roman alphabet is confusing and illogical, too many rules. the Arabic alphabet is much more logical, easier.

but you have so much hate for the arabs, because of your blind judgement you would rather go backwards than forward.

[retro]

Arabic script is very poor and I do not agree with you that it is in anyway shape or form better than roman script. The roman alphabet is a variety of the Greek alphabet. The fundamental problem is that the existing English alphabet has, only 26 letters for the 34 sounds used in standard spoken English. Hence English could really do with a few more characters.

[Soldat_Amir]

can you show evidence of Pashto written in this ancient script?

I dont have much knowledge in this area, I am sure Toramana does, but I am sure pre-Islamically, Pashtuns never wrote nor spoke in Arabic script or in Arabic.

and No Arabic, should not be an important language for Pashtuns, the Arab world has no benefit for us.

[Tjanaparh]

Kharoshthi isn'T a bad script too!
Only becuase it isn'T used doesnt mean it is retarded.

However no one of those scripts are own scripts, nor latin , nor Greek,nor Kharoshthi.
Using a script the most important is that it is conform to all sounds of the language(if it is a sound script), or to the sense(like Chinese).

[Tjanaparh]

The Kharosthi Script was more or less contemporarily with the Brahmi script, appearing around the 3rd century BCE mainly in modern-day northern Pakistan and eastern Afghanistan, although some examples do occur in India. Like Brahmi, Kharosthi seemed to have been developed for Prakrit dialects (which was the common speech of everyday life as opposed to Sanskrit which was the liturgic language). For instance, the earliest example of Brahmi and Kharosthi did not have the dipthongs /ai/, /au/, and the vocalic /r/ and /l/, which existed in Sanskrit but not in Prakrit. In particular, Kharosthi seemed to be used primarily for the Prakrit dialect of Gandhari, the language of the ancient kingdom of Gandhara. The evidence for this is in the form of a diacritic mark that denotes a transformation of an intervocalic constant (sometimes from a stop to a fricative), which existed in Gandhari.

Structurally, the Kharosthi and the Brahmi are nearly identical. The "letters" in both represent a constant followed by the short vowel /a/ (we'll denote this a "C-a" sign). Both denote change in vowel by adding marks to a sign. Consonant clusters are formed in both system by juxtaposing two signs closely together, sometimes forming a ligature. There are some difference, though. For one, while Brahmi had different signs for different initial vowels, Kharosthi used the same marks that change vowels in C-a signs on the sign for initial /a/ to denote other initial vowels. Another difference is that while Brahmi differentiated long and short version of the same vowel, Kharosthi used the same sign for both.

Eventually the Kharosthi Script fell out of use by the 3rd or 4th century CE, and the descendent of Brahmi eventually took hold in the northwestern South Asian.

This is the basic Kharosthi script.



Ancient Scripts: Kharosthi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_scripts_in_Afghanistan

[randolph85]

ironic that the only people who agree here is the communist atheist and the wahabbi.

no wonder both types of people have been toxic to afghanistan.

[retro]

ok.

i was just asking if afghanistan culture is = pashtun culture.
because i have seen lots of beghirete ppl and most of them were non pashtun afghan.
that's why i asked you.

haha really? or you are joking over here ?
arabic is the only complete language on this earth and thats why the quran is in arabic.
if you don't know anything, then don't share BS here.

Arabic evolved from Nabataean, a Semitic script that is closely related to Aramaic. However the problem with modern Arabic script is that it suffers from poor legibility.

The Quran was originally written in a unintelligible, abridged form without diacritical marks or vowels, which gave rise to the creation of Quranic variants.

Arabic, Hebrew, Latin, and Greek scripts are all descended from Phoenician. The Greeks adopted a modified Phoenician alphabet and script.

Phoenician