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  • Originally posted by osho View Post
    Comparison of adjectives

    Positive

    da kitab kha day<<<<< This book is good

    Comparative

    kitab A da kitab B na kha day <<<<< book A is better than book B

    Superlative

    kitab A da toolo na/ DA GARHDO NA kha day<<<<<< book A is best of all

    in Pashto the word NA is used for THAN and da toolo na/ da garhdo for best of all

    JanaanGull Kha/sha de > JanaanGull is good

    Smiley da JanaanGull na kha da > Smiley is better than JanaanGull

    Aimal khan da Tolo na kha de > Aimal khan is best of all

    Zeb Khesta de > Zeb is handsome

    Sanam da Zeb na khesta de > Sanam is more handsome than Zeb

    Fuad da tolo na khesta de > Fuad is most handsome of all

    zamasite.com mashahoor site/web panrha de/da >zamasite.com is a famous site

    Hewad.com da Pakwatan na mashahoor de > Hewad.com is more famous than pakwatan.com

    pashtunforums.com da tolo na mashahoor de >pashtunforums.com com is the most famous of all

    Pashto zda kol asaan di> Pashto is easy to learn

    angrezi zda kol da pukhto na asaan wi > English is easier to learn than Pashto

    spanish zda kol da tolo na asaan wi > spanish is easiest to learn of all

    1) Yaseer kha lob gharhey dey........... Yaseer is a good player

    Yaseer da Salman na kha player dey........ Salman is better than Yaseer

    Afridi da toolo na kha player dey.......Afridi is the best playerof all.

    2) Heena larnda da........................Heena is short.

    Nausheen da Heena na larnd da............ Nausheen is shorter than Heena.

    Fatima da toolo na larnda/chita/tita da........ Fatima is the shortest of all.

    3) Sharmeen masroof da.........Sharmeen is busy.

    Khushboo da Sharmeen na masroof da.......... Khushboo is busier than Sharmeen.

    Sanam da toolo na masroof da...........Sanam is the busiest of all,

    4) Amir khesta dey..........Amir is handsome.

    Salman da Amir na khesta dey...........Salman is more handsome than Amir.

    Haroon da toolo na khesta dey.......... Haroon is most handsome than all.

    5) Zama bag droond dey..........My bag is heavy.

    Sta bag zama da bag na droond dey...... Your bag is heavier than my bag.

    Sta bag da toolo na droond dey........... Your bag is the heaviest.

    PLEASE POST 5 SENTENCES WITH COMPARISON OF ADJECTIVES

    what is the difference between wi and di. and what is the difference between da and dey. please give examples. it's confusing

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    • We may talk of language not dialect at least for the beginners . Lets talk of Pashto as a language and leave the subject of dialect to prefessionels or liguists or the end users who have to use Pashto in a particular area.

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      • SALAM...
        I am new to this form..
        I dont knw pushto at all...
        but I really want to learn pushto....
        can u guys help me:-D

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        • Welcome Maiira
          I will advise you that you start reading the first pages of this Thread and quote whatever you dont understand and share your comments with us. Start from the basic words and phrases given there and discuss it here with us.

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          • salam

            i have a question ,how do you say
            he was beatin/hitting him
            he was beating/hitting her
            she was beating/hitting him

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            • pronouciation disagreement between major dialects in Alphbet table

              Originally posted by osho View Post
              One special request

              IN THIS THREAD ONLY LINGUISTIC DISCUSSION MAY BE CARRIED OUT,NO POLITICAL OR ANY OTHER KIND OF DISCUSSION MAY BE ALLOWED PLEASE



              Lesson no 1.




              For the learning of any language including Pashto there are 3 main prerequisites 1. grammar.2 Vocabulary 3. Communication or Practice.

              GRAMMAR ; Pronoun

              I زه ZA.
              WE مونږ/موږ MONG/J.
              YOU.SINGULAR ته TA

              YOU PLURAL تاسو TASO.
              HE/SHE هغه HAGHA.
              THEY هغوی HAGHOI

              VOCABULARY.ZA HALAK/ZANKAY YAM....... I AM A BOY.

              زه هلک یم

              HALAK/ZANKAY..................BOY.(halak, zankey, urhkey etc are geosynonyms for boy in Pashto)

              ZA JINAI YAM (Other geosynonyms for JINAI are jinkai, injlai etc)

              زه جنئِي یم


              YAM یم. AM

              Communication.

              How are you?.څرنګه /څنګه یی sanga ye? / saranga ye ?

              I m fine زه ښه یم za kha/sha yam

              GENERAL

              There are two main dialects in Pashto language.

              Hard dialect: spoken in areas like Peshawar, Mardan, Swat, Malakand, Dir, Kohat, Paracinar, Jalalabad, Bajawar, Mohmand, Khyber,etc mainly in northern part of Pashto speaking areas. Here the pure Pashto words are pronounced as kh and g not sh and j if the

              The word for fine is pronounced as kha not sha. The word for beard is pronounced as gira not jira.

              Soft dialect: Spoken in Kandahar and ares like Banu, Karak, Waziristan, Baluchistan, Paktya etc. Here the above sounds are pronounced as sh and g . Fine is sha here and beard is jira here.

              I will try for your orientation of both the dialects or accents.THERE IS NOTHING TO DO SPECIAL .Often the symbol/ in this course denotes the difference of dialects. However it is not necessary to learn both the dialects as both are easily mutually intelligible. Accents of Qandahar and Peshawar or Mardan are the standard accents through out the world.

              Remember that both the dialects are written in the same script . Thats why you see special Pashto letters for khe and ghe.









              Lesson no 2.

              Objective Pronouns

              my زما zama. our زمونږ zamong/j

              your.sing ستا sta. your.plu ستاسو staso

              his دهغه da hagha... her دهغی da haghay. their دهغوى da haghoi

              vcocabulary

              my house/home زما کور zama kor

              your book ستا کتاب sta kitab

              his cow د هغه غوا da hagha ghwa

              her university دهغی پوهنتون da haghaay univesity/ pohantoon

              communication

              welcome پخیر راغلی / ستړی مشی pakhair raghlay/starhi mashay

              thanks مننه / مهربانې merabani/manana

              General

              Pashto is the national language of Afghanistan and one of the two official languages(the other one is Dari). Thus we see particular words used there which has no so much currency in Pakistan as here Urdu or English words are dominant. As we saw above the actual pure word for university is pohantoon. Similarly for hospital the word is roghtoon but to many Pashtuns in Pakistan these words are not known because in Pakistan the official language is English or Urdu and the languages of sign boards , business, mass media and written communication.



              Practice
              I .......................زۀ
              WE.....................مونږ
              YOU.SINGULAR....تۀ
              YOU PLURAL........تاسو
              HE/SHE...............هغه
              THEY..................هغوی

              VOCABULARY
              زۀ هلک يم....... I AM A BOY.
              هلک..................BOY.
              يم ............................. AM

              communication.
              how are you?............... څنګه يې/څنګه يۍ
              I m fine .........................زۀ ښۀ يم





              Lesson no 3.

              Pronouns

              For the English pronoun mine Pashto pronoun is the same zama, for them da haghoi , for him da hagha and so on

              Vocabulary

              It is for him ده دهغه د پاره دی da da hagha da para day/da

              It ده da,him da دهغه hagha

              For د پاره da para, is دی/ ده day(masc.)da(fem)


              Communication

              Imperatives

              come راځه raza

              go ځه za

              General

              In Pashto you will come across many synonyms and homonyms. Context make the meaning clear. As we saw two meanings of the word za one I, second go. There is a little difference of stress as the one for go is more stressed






              Lesson no 4.


              Grammar

              Nouns

              Noun is a name . In Pashto for name the words num/nama are used.Number of the noun is either plural or singular. For making plural the suffixes AN ,ONA/una ,EE/i, are most frequently used

              Vocabulary

              person......کس/تن....... kas/tan, persons.... کسان/تنه ..... kasan/tanan


              table.......میز ..........mez, tables......میزونه.........mezona


              man.......سړی ...........sarhay men........سړي........sarhi


              woman ...ښځه....khaza-shaza ښځي women khazey-shazey



              boy .....هالک .......halak boys ..هالکان...halakan



              girl.......جنئِي .......jinai girls ..جنکئِي...kinakai



              Communication

              Meet these men.............. de sarho sara milaw sha/uwina/ogora(milaw sha is an urdu influence on Pashto specially in Pakistan which may be avoided to use)

              ده سړو سره ــــــ

              General

              In the above sentence we see the plural sarho not sarhi. Yes usually in a sentence and in objective case this plural is used. but

              These are men

              da sarhi di.

              ده سړي دي




              Lesson no 5.

              Grammar

              Nouns -gender

              masculine نر nar, feminine ښځه khaza/shaza

              In Pashto often the feminine ends with the suffix a or ai or ee-i

              There are also totally separate words for feminine and masculine

              There are masculine/ feminine difference in human beings, animals and things.

              There is also neuter(no feminine/masculine) and common (both masculine/feminine)gender which is mostly found in words taken from other languages

              Different auxiliary verbs are used for masculine and feminine. Remember that in grammar (language rules) there are always exceptions. I write mostly generalizations. If u come across some anomalies or exceptional cases please discuss it here.

              Vocabulary

              This is a man.......................da sarhay day,This is a woman... da khaza/shaza da

              ده سړی دی / ده ښځه ده

              This is a girl........................ da jinai da , This is a boy......... da halak day

              ده هالک دی / ده جنئِي ده

              meal/bread............ dodai/marhai/tikalay

              ډوډى/ مړى/مړئِي /ټکالی

              meal is good...................dodai kha /sha da

              ډودی ښه ده

              dog سپی spay, bitch سپۍ spai

              سپی / سپۍ

              Communication

              eat/take meal.................. dodai ukhra/wakhla

              ډودی اخره / واخلا

              bring one chair for me..............mala yawa kursai/chawkai rawrha

              مالا یو کرسۍ / چوکۍ راوړه

              General

              we see in the above examples that feminine words end with a, ai ,ee-I. For feminine is da for masculine day . One chair is yawa kursai but one book is yaw kitab because kursai is feminine and kitab is masculine.

              Mother > Mor

              مور

              Father > plaar

              پلار

              Brother > Ror-Wror

              ورور

              Sister > Khor

              خور

              Son > Zwey

              زوي

              Daughter > Loor

              لور

              Uncle > tra/kaka/mama

              تره / کاکا /ماما

              Auntie > tror chachi/maasi(urdu influence)

              ترور / چاچې /ماسې

              Grandfather > Neeka

              نیکه

              Grandmother > Nyaa

              نیا

              Grandson > nwase/masse

              نوسی / نمسی

              Grandaughter > Nwasai/Masai


              نوسي / نمسي



              Lesson no 7.(Re-cap)
              Just a few things you should know by now,

              how are you ----------- sanga ye

              I want to learn Pashto------- za Pashto zda kawal ghwarham

              Will you give me time for some practice... ta ba mala da mashq da para sa wakht rakey?

              why not .......... waley na




              Lesson no 6.

              Nouns gender

              Grammar.

              In Pashto the common gender is also some times modified as doctor<doctora, teacher <teachara.

              All the inanimate things are either feminine or masculine . Other parts of the speech/sentence especially helping verbs often agree with gender as

              sarhay day, but khaza /shaza da .

              maz day but kursai da ,
              kitab day but kapee<notebook< da.
              khaza raghla<came< but sarhay raghay.
              chowkai/ kursai kha/sha da <chair is good< but mez kha day.

              Vocabulary.

              Numbers<hindsay<Shmira

              1 > yaw يو

              2 > dwa دوه

              3 > drey درې

              4 > tsalor څلور

              5 > pinza پنځه

              6 > shpag/j شپږ

              7 > owa اووه

              8 > ata اته

              9 > naha/ana نه

              10 > las لس

              Communication

              These are two men<da dwa sarhi di
              These are three women<da dray khazay/shazey di

              General

              We see above that for sarhi we use di<plural..are
              for is we have da and day

              Please also note that most of the Pashtuns unfortunately use Urdu numbers in Pakistan but not in Afghanistan. This trend must be discouraged and stopped as we have our own numbers why should we use numbers of other languages.


              Lesson no 8.



              Adjectives

              Like all other languages Pashto also has a vast reservoir of adjectives. Vocabulary of adjectives will help you a lot in descriptions and fluency of your language

              Some English Adjectives are high, beautiful, short, huge, strong, sleepy, painful, old, noisy, hungry,one, three etc

              While describing nouns or pronouns and say any thing about them you need adjective.
              Definition of adjective Adjective is a word which adds some thing to the meaning of a noun or pronoun or modifies a noun or pronoun.

              For example sarhay is noun but

              yaw sarhay ... one man

              kha/sha sarhay .... good man

              bad sarhay .... bad man

              zorh sarhay..... old man

              awal/wrhambay/lumrhay sarhay...... first man

              here yaw, kha, bad, zorh, awal are Pashto adjectives

              Translation of the above given english Adjectives


              high,<uchat/jag/lwarh,
              beautiful<khkwalay/khaysta,/shkwaley/shayasta
              short<larnd,

              huge<ghat, strong<mazboot/klak, sleepy<ooda, painful<darnnak, old<zorh/buda, noisy<shorwala/zwag kawoonkay,

              hungry< wagay,one..yaw. three...drey

              Here are a few more adjectives
              scary, heavy, handsome, sick, famous, difficult, dangerous, cold, busy, angry

              scary, Yareedunkeh, heavy, Droon, handsome, Khesta/khkuley, sick, Najorra, famous, Mash-hoor/ Namawar, difficult,Graan dangerous,Khatarnaak cold,yakh/sorh busy,Masroofa, angry, Ghussa
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              salamona .pashtu have two dialects and this division is was there when pashtu got its written form . it is necessary for a teacher to let his students know that why some additional alphabets are used in table when these sounds already exists . a pashtu word for one dialect is "zmonga " but for the other dialect is "moza" .

              for the second dialect people "zhe" is silent. and "ge" is " ya"

              Similarly when one dialect person pronounce "zama" other make "ze" silent and pronounce "ma". "pa kixay" is "pa kay" for the other dialect . "tsey" is another sign of disagreement between both dialect. one pronounce it like "say " the other pronounce it "chey" for example "sangay" comes 'changay" in other dialect . to conclude. "zhe" and "xin" are silent’s for one dialect but "Tsey" comes "Chey" whereas "Ge" becomes "Ze" for the people of other dialect.

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              • he was beatin/hitting him....hagha hagha wahalo (Simple present tense) OR Hagha lagya woo hagha ye wahalo(Present progressive tense)
                he was beating/hitting her....hagha hagha wahala OR hagha lagya woo hagha ye wahala
                she was beating/hitting him.....haghey hagha wahalo,,OR Hagha lagya wa hagha ye wahalo

                Good question
                Please note that in Pashto HAGHA ia used both for HE and HIM.
                For she one form is HAGHEY
                Wahalo is for HE while Wahala is for the SHE. In Pashto verbs are inflected.
                We should also note that in Pashto the continuous or progressive tense can be expressed by indefinite or simple tenses.
                Last edited by Badlun; 01-19-2011, 08:16 AM.

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                • Originally posted by zarin144 View Post
                  salamona .pashtu have two dialects and this division is was there when pashtu got its written form . it is necessary for a teacher to let his students know that why some additional alphabets are used in table when these sounds already exists . a pashtu word for one dialect is "zmonga " but for the other dialect is "moza" .

                  for the second dialect people "zhe" is silent. and "ge" is " ya"

                  Similarly when one dialect person pronounce "zama" other make "ze" silent and pronounce "ma". "pa kixay" is "pa kay" for the other dialect . "tsey" is another sign of disagreement between both dialect. one pronounce it like "say " the other pronounce it "chey" for example "sangay" comes 'changay" in other dialect . to conclude. "zhe" and "xin" are silent’s for one dialect but "Tsey" comes "Chey" whereas "Ge" becomes "Ze" for the people of other dialect.
                  Good points. Please note that Pashto like any other language has different accents, dialects , geosynonyms and other variations but core of the language is the same thats why Pashto is considered as one language if its spoken in Qandahar or Peshawar or Kabul or Waziristan. mainly there are two dialects hard with Khin and Soft with Shin sound patterns. Details have been given above.
                  As for any other language there is a received pronunciation(RP). Pashto RP is the language spoken in Qandahar or Peshawar. These are the standard dialects with standard pronunciation. If you speak Pashto in any of these two dialects you will be understood and your pronunciation will be accepted. However it does not mean that the accent used in other regions is substandard. Basically the accent used in these two cities almost represent nuances of the variations in other areas.

                  For a beginner it is must to learn the basic grammar, vocabulary and phrases instead of involving in complications of accents, dialects, phonetics and phonology. We should talk of Pashto language and not of its dialects. This should be left for more advanced stages.

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                  • Der manana Osho

                    Thank you for posting a reply to my questions.
                    How do you say
                    I sent You
                    You sent me
                    He sent You
                    She sent you
                    He sent her
                    He sent him
                    She sent her
                    she sent him

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                    • For the verb to send in Pashto we have two verbs, legal and astawal. LEGAL can also be pronounced as LEJAL in soft dialect. Also this verb is transitive so needs an object as we have to send some thing. For your sentences I have added the object BOOK-KITAB

                      I sent You MA TA TA KITAB ULEGALO-WASTAWALO(ulegalo can also be pronounced as walegalo -walejao in some areas)
                      You sent me TA MA TA KITAB ULEGALO
                      He sent You HAGHA MA TA KITAB ULEGALO
                      She sent you HAGHEY MA TA KITAB ULEGALO
                      He sent her HAGHA HAGHEY TA KITAN ULEGALO
                      He sent him HAGHA HAGHA TA KITAB ULEGALO
                      She sent her HAGHEY HAGHEY TA KITAB ULEGALO
                      she sent him HAGHEY HAGHA TA KITAB ULEGALO

                      If the sender is at the other end far away and for emphasis then infinitives ralegal -rawastawal can also be used. The inflection will be rawastawalo-raulegalo or rawalegalo

                      Also for the preposition TA some poeple use LA as ta ma la kitab ulegalo
                      Last edited by Badlun; 01-22-2011, 08:40 AM.

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                      • Past Continuous Tense

                        Past Continuous Tense

                        I was going< za lagya wum tlam
                        mong/j lagya woo tloo
                        hagha lagya wu tlo
                        hagha lagya wa tla
                        haghoi lagya woo tlo
                        ta lagya way tlay
                        taso lagya wai tlai

                        here lagya +wum, woo, wu,wa,woo,way and wai are used for English was and were

                        The permanent part is lagya woo, lagya wum etc . You might have read in present continuos tense that the forms of lagya kaidal are yam, yoo, day, da, dee, ye, yai

                        for example
                        I was looking
                        za lagya wum lidal me
                        mong/j lagya woo lidal mo
                        hagha lagya wo lidal ye
                        hagha lagya wa lidal ye
                        haghoi lagya woo lidal ye
                        ta lagya way ledal de
                        taso lagya wai lidal mo

                        Here me. mo, ye, de and mo are used for the object

                        Past continuous tense is rarely used in pashto..but its part of the language. We can easily use Simple Past tense for Past continuous tense.
                        Suppose some one called me and I was busy eating.
                        He called again and said. I called you before but you didn't answer. So my reply should be like this
                        za lagya wum dodai meh khwarha.. But I can simply also say.. Ma dodai khwarha

                        Mong pa kaar lagya woo(this sentence is correct but lagya kaidal is used as main /principal verb)/mong/j lagya woo kar mo kawaloo ==haghoi lagya woo pati ye kawalay==taso lagya way daig mi/mo pakhawoo

                        Please try to understand the difference in lagya kaidal as helping verb and lagya kaidal as main verb. In continiuos tenses it is used as helping verb. in the above sentence ZA PA TV LIDALO KAGYA WUM lagya kaidal here is as main verb which mean to be busy/ , while doing an action but lagya kaidal used as helping verb/auxilary verb in such a sentence would be za lagya wum tv me koot/katalo. Here the verb lidal is not appropriate instead the verb katal.

                        Discussion and usual errors

                        Za lagya wum lwalam> is incorrect. I was reading.please note that lwalam is present indifinite tense. here it should be <za lagyam wum lwastal me
                        Mong lagya woo lwaloo>We were reading<mong lagya woo lwastal mo
                        Hagha lagya wu lwalee>He was reading<lwastal ye
                        Haghoi lagya woo lwalee>They were reading<lwastal ye
                        Ta lagya way lwalay>You were reading<lwastal de
                        Taso lagya wai lwalai>You were reading(plu)<lwastal yo or mo

                        Comparison Of Present And Past Continuous Tenses

                        present.,, za lagya yam khwram< I am eating
                        past .,,za lagya wum khwarhal me < I was eating
                        mong lagya yoo khwroo
                        mong lagya woo klhwarhal mo
                        hagha lagya day khwree
                        hagha lagya wo khwarhal ye
                        hagha lagya da khwree
                        hagha lagya wa khwarhal ye
                        haghoi kagya dee khwree
                        haghoi lagya wu khwarhal ye
                        ta lgya ye khwrey
                        ta lagya way khwarhal de
                        taso lagya yai khwrai
                        taso lagya wai khwarhal mo

                        MORE SENTENSES
                        I was talking
                        to talk khabarey kawal , khabarey means talks and kawal means to do
                        za lagya wum khabarey me kawaley
                        taso lagya wai khabarey mo kawaley
                        hagha lagya wo khabarey ye kawaley
                        hagha lagya wa khabarey ye kawaley
                        haghoi lagya woo khabarey ye kawaley
                        ta lagya wey khabarey de kawaley
                        taso lagya wai khabarey yo/mo kawaley

                        To talk can also be translated by infinitives like jaghedal, ghagedal, gonrhedal etc

                        Please conribute more sentences in Present Continuous tense.
                        Last edited by Badlun; 01-23-2011, 07:21 AM.

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                        • salam
                          he was beatin/hitting him....hagha hagha wahalo (Simple present tense) OR Hagha lagya woo hagha ye wahalo(Present progressive tense)
                          he was beating/hitting her....hagha hagha wahala OR hagha lagya woo hagha ye wahala
                          she was beating/hitting him.....haghey hagha wahalo,,OR Hagha lagya wa hagha ye wahalo

                          how would you say
                          she was beating/hitting her?
                          haghey hagha wahala or haghey haghey wahala?
                          i get confused.

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                          • Originally posted by 2jan View Post
                            salam
                            he was beatin/hitting him....hagha hagha wahalo (Simple present tense) OR Hagha lagya woo hagha ye wahalo(Present progressive tense)
                            he was beating/hitting her....hagha hagha wahala OR hagha lagya woo hagha ye wahala
                            she was beating/hitting him.....haghey hagha wahalo,,OR Hagha lagya wa hagha ye wahalo

                            how would you say
                            she was beating/hitting her?
                            haghey hagha wahala or haghey haghey wahala?
                            i get confused.
                            She was beting -hitting her. haghey(she) hagha(her) wahala. the correct one is haghey hagha wahala

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                            • Can someone help me with structuring Pashto sentences, this is my main difficulty. This is what I know so far:

                              Subject-can be pronoun, noun, interrogative pronoun
                              Object- nouns, prepositions, adjectives, conjunctions
                              Verb- action

                              Can someone help me, explaining how to structure the object? Like the order which comes first and such?
                              Thanks

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                              • Structuring Pashto sentences.

                                Pashto is a S-O-V language with split ergativity. SOV means subject-verb-object. Adjectives come before nouns.
                                Pashto is an ergative language; i.e., transitive verbs in any of the past tenses agree with the object of the sentence.

                                The usual structure of Pashto sentences is like English

                                Subject-verb-object
                                I-read-book
                                za-kitab-lwalam

                                I eat meal
                                za dodai khwram

                                Khayasta jinai-beautiful girl adjective-noun

                                Ergativity-hagha dodai ukhwarha-he ate meal
                                hagha aam ukhorh-he ate mango
                                Here we see that the verb khwarhal-to eat changes with the object. Dodai is feminine object so the verb is ukhwarha while mango.aam,,is masculine so the verb is ukhorh

                                Structure of some poetic or figurative language may differ with the SVO system as we may see

                                HAGHA LWALI KITAB ...HE READS BOOK.. but as it seems its a poetic structure and is not day to day construction of Pashto sentences

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