Pashtun woman, a challenge to the conscience of the Humanity and human rights groups.

[kakargirl]

well said grave yard i don't think these people know that our true pashtun women love their culture and choose to live and respect their husbands , no true pashtun woman wants anything to do with these people the real pashtun women with haya and sharama are completely happy with their rights they have from the pashtun culture.long live pashtun culture and islam.

[Badlun]

There are many Pashtun women themselves who are happy where they are. The problem is that if an ignorant , poor, hungry, illiterate, terrorist, hypocrite person is satisfied from her or his situation , then should we struggle for the change for the better or not.

It is the question of the basic right of movement and expression of the 35 millions of Pashtun women. Why they are not equal with men. Why they dont have the same opportunities as men have. Why they are not involved in all political, economic, social, educational and religious activities as men are. Why this gender discrimination. Her equal participation in all such activities is not against any standard of modesty and honor. This is simply asking for their basic rights being a human being nothing else.

[kakargirl]

i dont know what your talking about even those poor men respect their women more than anything ,leave the good real pashtun women alone go and work on the ones that have lost all sharam haya pashtuness theres enough of them, i know my family women want to stay as they are or else all pashtun culture would be lost and wiped out totally so leave the real pashtun traditional women alone we are happy ,i know my family women dont want that ,and who said we are not equal we are equal but we dont want to be what you veiw as equal i can right down 1000 points about whats wrong with your human rights but i wont bother as its not worth it i dont want to be a begharath girl i like being pashtun i like being a girl with haya sharam long live our pashtun culture.

[graveyardofempires]

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Der khe jawab khorey
very well said

[da_ghaljay_shamar]

these people who promote western ideas of "liberating our women" will not be satisfied after they have seen each and every one of our women end up like those poor and unfortunate women who keep the beds of American troops warm.

They want our women to take off their hijab, dress like prostitutes, become self sufficient by working as prostitutes or as servants of foreign NGO's or those NGO's belonging to former communists and other types of secular criminals.

The real problem of such people with the state of our women is not that our women are illiterate, poor and desperate.

Their problem is with the fact that, there are still so many women out there that have not been exploited by the occupation and have not been dishonored.

These people who use to serve the Russians and Indians and now serve the Americans are the very same people who own brothels, dancing halls, and restaurants in Kabul where our mothers and sisters are part of the decoration for the entertainment of the invading forces.

[Badlun]

This is the main issue that liberating a Pashtun woman from the four walls of their houses, enabling them to get education in colleges and universities and choosong their own professions and earning their own money is considered making them prostitutes and making them indecent and immodest. The concept of honour is to enslave the Pashtun woman at houses and covering them with the coffins of hijab even when still they are alive.

Please diffentiate between a free woman with moden education, earning their own income by working in a respectable place and a sex worker or prostitutes. Prostitutes can be Pashtuns or non Pashtuns, There can be women with modern education and job living with honour and respect but with out hijab and not leading all their lives in the four walls of their prison like houses. You can be modest, decent and still with out hijab and with free movement without the male guardian.

In the west there are prostitutes and there are free women but are not prostiutes. In Pashtun world there are prostitutes with hijab and there few Pashtun women who are not prostitutes but are free, educated, professional and living with all dignity , respect and honour.

[da_ghaljay_shamar]

This is the main issue that liberating a Pashtun woman from the four walls of their houses, enabling them to get education in colleges and universities and choosong their own professions and earning their own money is considered making them prostitutes and making them indecent and immodest. The concept of honour is to enslave the Pashtun woman at houses and covering them with the coffins of hijab even when still they are alive.

Please diffentiate between a free woman with moden education, earning their own income by working in a respectable place and a sex worker or prostitutes. Prostitutes can be Pashtuns or non Pashtuns, There can be women with modern education and job living with honour and respect but with out hijab and not leading all their lives in the four walls of their prison like houses. You can be modest, decent and still with out hijab and with free movement without the male guardian.

In the west there are prostitutes and there are free women but are not prostiutes. In Pashtun world there are prostitutes with hijab and there few Pashtun women who are not prostitutes but are free, educated, professional and living with all dignity , respect and honour.

Please take your normative rant elsewhere where nobody knows about the fact that your American troops are making Amateur porn movies using our mothers and sisters.

Go talk to those people who don't know how children as young as 4 years old are in the prostitution business in Kabul, Qandahar and other major cities where you can go and purchase a child to sodomize.

Tell your fairy tales about liberating people to the ignorant people who rely on Wester media and Western sponsored media. Tell your fairy tales to people who have never visited slums of Kabul where women live in much worse situation than ever in our history.

You can talk all this nonsense all day, and say whatever you think will please your masters, the crusaders and invaders who are destroying our country. But I dare you to visit any of the slums in outskirts of Kabul and say what you say here out loud.

People like you can't even get off the Pajero's and Prado's with blinded windows and your charsi bodyguards.

You probably never smelled the rotten body of victims of rape and torture after your murtad army and your crusader troops have "conducted an operation" in those villages.

[graveyardofempires]

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[ScimitarXEdge]

People relax, if Osho is not coming to us hostily, we should not react towards him/her hostily; if he was like Toramana or Mazloomyar, making directly derogatory remarks and assaults. Then perhaps it's valid; but so long as he remains within the bounds of respectable debate, we should respect him/her. Even if he/she is completely wrong .

[unknownprince]

You probably never smelled the rotten body of victims of rape and torture after your murtad army and your crusader troops have "conducted an operation" in those villages.

[unknownprince]

So where is your response Osho?

With all these crimes, now you know why US is losing.

Your media is just as guilty too.

[Badlun]

Child pornography, sex with minors, selling of buying of human beings or sex or other purposes is a crime in the West and if any one perpetrate these crimes is a criminal and punishible by law.If American troops does it or any body all must be condemned equally. I am sure American will be unaware of such heinous crimes. If any body has any concrete proof o these crimes must share it here and send it to the Minisry of Interior of Afghanistan if you cant manage sending it to USA or NATO headquarters.

Also think over it that for such crimes we are equally responsable. If one buys a child for bad purposes, the other sells it. Both buyer and seller are to be blamed. Then in Afghanistan we have a democratic government of local people with a parliament and such issues should be stopped by the local authorities.

[unknownprince]

Everyone in Afghanistan is against US and US backed warlords.

Your not bad person, you wish to be ignorant to crimes so you can sleep well at night.you want to believe the liars like Obama and Petraeus. Because they can't beat us, they committing crimes, killing innocent civilians. Please read up about it.

But you can free your mind, you should seek information and get it published in US media.

[unknownprince]

There is a list of pimps. They are being killed regularly.

A sort of blacklist.

[kakargirl]

[QUOTE=osho;333562]This is the main issue that liberating a Pashtun woman from the four walls of their houses, enabling them to get education in colleges and universities and choosong their own professions and earning their own money is considered making them prostitutes and making them indecent and immodest. The concept of honour is to enslave the Pashtun woman at houses and covering them with the coffins of hijab even when still they are alive.

Please diffentiate between a free woman with moden education, earning their own income by working in a respectable place and a sex worker or prostitutes. Prostitutes can be Pashtuns or non Pashtuns, There can be women with modern education and job living with honour and respect but with out hijab and not leading all their lives in the four walls of their prison like houses. You can be modest, decent and still with out hijab and with free movement without the male guardian.

In the west there are prostitutes and there are free women but are not prostiutes. In Pashtun world there are prostitutes with hijab and there few Pashtun women who are not prostitutes but are free, educated, professional and living with all dignity , respect and honour.[QUOTE]sorry your veiws dont fit in with the real pashtun women , they only are suitable for the ones that have become free and have lost all haya and sharam, my mother is illiterate my father was a scientist, my mother was provided for,my father put a few propertys on her name as well a heavy bank balance ,so if he passed away she had security and didnt have to relay on her sons , my mother her self is more stricter than my father she ran the house like a military house, the women are not weak or oppressed or enslaved so dont use that word again or else i will start listing the faults with your liberation ,as i said the real pashtun women choose to live like this and they are not oppressed they rule the house and are more tougher than you knowand very happy women all our women are cared for take your debate and aim it at the already liberated women not at the real pashtun women long live islam and our pashtun culture its a sense of belong your trying so hard yo wipe it out .