Pashtun woman, a challenge to the conscience of the Humanity and human rights groups.

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i have even heard an iraqi blame the americans for saddam wasting iraqi money, building all those palaces.

which would have a large degree of accuracy.

[faye]

yes, of course. so would african men believing that if they have sex with a 3 year old they will rid themselves of aids.

[Badlun]

I am not formal adherent to New Age but I like many of its conepts. For details please see
New Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Approach of New Age on the issue of women is impressive

[ScimitarXEdge]

yes, of course. so would african men believing that if they have sex with a 3 year old they will rid themselves of aids.

I never thought of it that way, that's actually very possible since there are theories regarding how AIDS was created due to colonial interference.

It was proposed by Beatrice Hahn, Paul Sharp, and colleagues that "[the epidemic emergence of HIV] most likely reflects changes in population structure and behaviour in Africa during the 20th century and perhaps medical interventions that provided the opportunity for rapid human-to-human spread of the virus".[7] After the Scramble for Africa started in the 1880s, European colonial powers established cities, towns, and other colonial stations. A largely masculine labor force was hastily recruited to work in fluvial and sea ports, railways, other infrastructures, and in plantations. This disrupted traditional tribal values, and favored sexual promiscuity. In the nascent cities women felt relatively liberated from rural tribal rules[24] and many remained unmarried or divorced during long periods,[10][25] this being very rare in African traditional societies.[26] This was accompanied by unprecedented increase in people's movements.
Michael Worobey and colleagues observed that the growth of cities had probably a role in the epidemic emergence of HIV, since the phylogenetic datations of the two older strains of HIV-1 (groups M and O), suggest that these viruses started to spread soon after the main Central African colonial cities were founded.[15]
Clearly, there is a constellation of factors associated with the social changes prompted by colonialism that could have helped HIV to start to spread by the sexual route, establishing successful epidemics: urbanization, increased trade, a currency-based economy, behavioral changes, singlehood, sexual promiscuity, and increased movements of people.
[edit] Heart of Darkness

Amit Chitnis, Diana Rawls, and Jim Moore proposed that HIV may have emerged epidemically as a result of the harsh conditions, forced labor, displacement, and unsafe injection and vaccination practices associated with colonialism, particularly in French Equatorial Africa.[27] The workers in plantations, construction projects, and other colonial enterprises were supplied with bushmeat, this contributing to increase this activity, and then exposures to SIV. Several historical sources support the view that bushmeat hunting indeed increased, both because of the necessity to supply workers and because fire weapons proliferated.[27][28][29]
The colonial authorities also gave many vaccinations against smallpox, and injections, of which many would be made without sterilising the equipment between uses (unsafe or unsterile injections). Chitnis et al. proposed that both these parenteral risks and the prostitution associated with forced labor camps could have caused serial transmission (or serial passage) of SIV between humans (see discussion of this in the next section).[27] In addition, they proposed that the conditions of extreme stress associated with forced labor could depress the immune system of workers, therefore prolonging the primary acute infection period of someone newly infected by SIV, thus increasing the odds of both adaptation of the virus to humans, and of further transmissions.[30]
The authors predicted that HIV-1 originated in the area of French Equatorial Africa, and in the early 20th century (when the colonial abuses and forced labor were at their peak). Later researches proved these predictions mostly correct: HIV-1 groups M and O started to spread in humans in late 19th–early 20th century.[12][13][15][31] And all groups of HIV-1 descend from either SIVcpz or SIVgor from apes living to the west of the Ubangi River, either in countries which belonged to the French Equatorial Africa federation of colonies, in Equatorial Guinea (then a Spanish colony), or in Cameroon (which was a German colony between 1884 and 1916, then fell to Allied forces in World War I, and had most of its area administered by France, in close association with French Equatorial Africa).
This theory was later dubbed 'Heart of Darkness' by Jim Moore,[32] aluding to the book of the same title written by Joseph Conrad, the main focus of which is colonial abuses in equatorial Africa.

[Feroza_Banu]

the issue of oppression of women in pashtoon society is not a secret... Anyone who says women in Afghanistan or Pakhtoonkhwa choose to live in that situation is mistaken. they simply don't know any better... they are raised as oppressed individuals under their dad's and brother's authority, and for most cases mom's authority, and they continue the same routine in their husband's home... under their husband, father in law and brother in law's authority. and for the most part mother in law and sister in laws as well.

I don't blame you for not knowing enough about women's issue in pashtoon society, most of you are born and/or brought up in western society... most of you, if not all of you, are misinformed about women's situation back home... and even if someone informs u... u think its western propaganda... haha... i think its time to wake up and address an issue that is considered very taboo in our society back home... it is the your oppressed sisters can expect from their so called educated sisters and brothers in the West

[ScimitarXEdge]

There's no denying injustices happen in Pashtoon society against women; but the essential values of Pashtoon society and more over Islamic society are actually conducive to the welfare of women when put in their appropriate context. This is more so than the contemporary capitalist industrial societies which essentially uses it's loose value structure as a pretext for exploitation and moral decay.




There doesn't need to be reform, but rather renewal of those values. Where women are not merely deemed chattel at the expense of their In-Laws. If Pashtoon society was somehow intrinsically or traditionally hostile to women; then we wouldn't have Pashtoon women who wrote poetry encouraging men to fight to protect the dignities and values Pashtoon society had alloted to them.

[Feroza_Banu]

there is always exception-and those exception are the women who had a freedom to write and express themselves through poetry and novels. most of these women in the past belonged to elite and/or educated families in pashtoon society. the status of women in educated and elite families is the same it was decades or centuries ago even. such women have always enjoyed a higher degree of freedom and ability to pursue education -which, we shouldn't forget, is prerequisite for being a poet or a novel writer.

but our focus here shouldn't be the minority or the exception, we should focus on the majority, the norm of our society. and for the majority (women) it is a tough world out there. the injustice against pashtoon women is not an exception, rather a norm in our societies. it is very sad for me to point out, but i have to, since i owe it to those women, who i have encountered in my life; that women are third class citizens in our society, who do no deserve basic necessities in life, such as education, good food, or medical treatment and even love!

oh and i do not believe in painting rosy pictures... if one can't handle the truth, then one shouldn't pursue it

[ScimitarXEdge]

Those "exceptions" seemed to be pretty common, and they came from parts of of society which would be deemed rather conservative at least insomuch as our current models of social strata can understand it. In fact the pervasiveness of these reports would demonstrate that these were not exceptions at all, but were norms. So using standard Capitalist models of literary ability is flawed ans also not applicable in this context.

There's actually no prerequisite for composing poetry; traditionally people either had oral traditions or they developed their own writing. There was no PhD program for Literature when Pashto became a language nor was there one when people started writing poetry. Most of it was also centered in rural areas. so these expressions were not restricted for the elite, but were the soul of the people.

They pertained with subject matter that dealt with the preservation of the values and practices which are now being lauded as "oppressive" to the external eye. Everything must be understood in proper sociological context. We don't factor in how European interventionism inspired an extreme paradigm shift in how Pashtoon values were applied in reaction to it.

We're not saying that injustice against women isn't widespread, but there's a difference between a deteriorated situation and being a normative value in society. What exists in Pashtoon society today is a degradation of the normative values, not the values themselves. And these values are defined by social models which were relevant to their ecological relationships, using some manufactured standard as a measure of where Pashtoons stand is not logical or intellectually honest.

There's no need to paint rosy pictures, just an intellectually honest one; which doesn't seem to be the case here.

[graveyardofempires]

the issue of oppression of women in pashtoon society is not a secret... Anyone who says women in Afghanistan or Pakhtoonkhwa choose to live in that situation is mistaken. they simply don't know any better... they are raised as oppressed individuals under their dad's and brother's authority, and for most cases mom's authority, and they continue the same routine in their husband's home... under their husband, father in law and brother in law's authority. and for the most part mother in law and sister in laws as well.

I don't blame you for not knowing enough about women's issue in pashtoon society, most of you are born and/or brought up in western society... most of you, if not all of you, are misinformed about women's situation back home... and even if someone informs u... u think its western propaganda... haha... i think its time to wake up and address an issue that is considered very taboo in our society back home... it is the your oppressed sisters can expect from their so called educated sisters and brothers in the West

i disagree its nothing but western propaganda.
the only problem is that we dont have enough education institutes for girl and biys so not just women.

and you are feeding the propagandists with more disinfo so they can have their new pretext to continue the war and demonize Afghans and muslims.

so according to you these rapist invaders are here to free you Afghan women?
let me guess so they can have the situation such as vietnam.

i think this propaganda is created because we pashtuns dont have good free media especially not biased towards pashtuns.this means every dog can come and make up a story about Afghans.

btw i was born and raised in Afghanistan and you are wrong.

[graveyardofempires]

there is always exception-and those exception are the women who had a freedom to write and express themselves through poetry and novels. most of these women in the past belonged to elite and/or educated families in pashtoon society. the status of women in educated and elite families is the same it was decades or centuries ago even. such women have always enjoyed a higher degree of freedom and ability to pursue education -which, we shouldn't forget, is prerequisite for being a poet or a novel writer.

but our focus here shouldn't be the minority or the exception, we should focus on the majority, the norm of our society. and for the majority (women) it is a tough world out there. the injustice against pashtoon women is not an exception, rather a norm in our societies. it is very sad for me to point out, but i have to, since i owe it to those women, who i have encountered in my life; that women are third class citizens in our society, who do no deserve basic necessities in life, such as education, good food, or medical treatment and even love!

oh and i do not believe in painting rosy pictures... if one can't handle the truth, then one shouldn't pursue it

excuse me
can you please explain what you mean with freedom for women?
and do you think the Afghan women will agree with these invaders giving them "freedom?
do you think Afghan women will want to be prostitutes for tourists in the future?
do you think Pashtun women are that beghairath to be against their husband and family in favour of western culture?

[Badlun]

As we have no female prophets similarly we have few Pashtun female poets(poetess). Even we dont have a famous female Pashtun writer, philosopher, scientist or professor or politician. More than 90% pashtun women does menial works of domestic servants i.e. cleanliness, cooking, washing clothes and serving meals. A 16 years sister has to give a glass of water to a 7 years brother. A 7 years old brother has to sit in front seat of a car while a 25 years old mother or sister has to sit at the back seat. Women driving cars is a rarity and janaza of ghairat.

Pashtun women are the same for the last 1400 years not now that USA attacked the Taliban and fighting still against those scoundrels. There are many Pashtun prostitutes where USA is not present. And all the Pashtun women in Afghanistan are not prostitutes where USA is present. And women are suffering there too like in Pakistan where there is no USA. Thus USA has nothing to do with the plight of Pashtun women.

pashtun society has to be cleansed totally from the evils for Pashtun women. This is not the context or the values or whatever. Philosophyzing the situation with terminologies of sociology and ecology will not serve as an excuse to hide the down trodden situation of Pashtun women.

[graveyardofempires]

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go talk to Pashtun women and tell them that they are prostitutes in hijab and they will slap you on your filthy face.

your filthy tongue doesnt dirty the name of great pashtun women.

Pashtun women not just have freedom(not freedumb)thye enjoy respect and are honoured.
you are the one who is protitute here prostituting for americans and spread BS about pashtun women.

[Dreamer]

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go talk to Pashtun women and tell them that they are prostitutes in hijab and they will slap you on your filthy face.

your filthy tongue doesnt dirty the name of great pashtun women.

Pashtun women not just have freedom(not freedumb)thye enjoy respect and are honoured.
you are the one who is protitute here prostituting for americans and spread BS about pashtun women.

hes not saying they are prostitutes... READ his post carefully

[Feroza_Banu]

As we have no female prophets similarly we have few Pashtun female poets(poetess). Even we dont have a famous female Pashtun writer, philosopher, scientist or professor or politician. More than 90% pashtun women does menial works of domestic servants i.e. cleanliness, cooking, washing clothes and serving meals. A 16 years sister has to give a glass of water to a 7 years brother. A 7 years old brother has to sit in front seat of a car while a 25 years old mother or sister has to sit at the back seat. Women driving cars is a rarity and janaza of ghairat.

Pashtun women are the same for the last 1400 years not now that USA attacked the Taliban and fighting still against those scoundrels. There are many Pashtun prostitutes where USA is not present. And all the Pashtun women in Afghanistan are not prostitutes where USA is present. And women are suffering there too like in Pakistan where there is no USA. Thus USA has nothing to do with the plight of Pashtun women.

pashtun society has to be cleansed totally from the evils for Pashtun women. This is not the context or the values or whatever. Philosophyzing the situation with terminologies of sociology and ecology will not serve as an excuse to hide the down trodden situation of Pashtun women.

in pashtoon society, women don't even exist... and u are talking about freedom? u r preaching to the choir.

[Feroza_Banu]

excuse me
can you please explain what you mean with freedom for women?
and do you think the Afghan women will agree with these invaders giving them "freedom?
do you think Afghan women will want to be prostitutes for tourists in the future?
do you think Pashtun women are that beghairath to be against their husband and family in favour of western culture?

u r really excused. ur questions are irrelevant to my post... thus, won't be answered.