When/why did our cuisines diverge so much?

[Kushan Prince]

This thread makes me want to tear my hair out. I don't how a sane person can think that a bunch of minorties like tajiks and uzbeks can influence the cuisine of some 60 million Pashtuns. If anything, these tajiks/uzbeks are influenced by our food then we are by theirs. I don't ever recall tajiks or uzbeks in uzbekistan or tajikistan feasting on pulaow or bolani or drinking Turwey. Same goes or Pashtuns across the durand line, my dad told me when he went to peshwear a long time ago that the dishes were completly the same as the ones from Afghanistan.

[Pukhtoon]

This thread makes me want to tear my hair out. I don't how a sane person can think that a bunch of minorties like tajiks and uzbeks can influence the cuisine of some 60 million Pashtuns. If anything, these tajiks/uzbeks are influenced by our food then we are by theirs. I don't ever recall tajiks or uzbeks in uzbekistan or tajikistan feasting on pulaow or bolani or drinking Turwey. Same goes or Pashtuns across the durand line, my dad told me when he went to peshwear a long time ago that the dishes were completly the same as the ones from Afghanistan.

Just for the sake of being accurate, despite the obvious bias being that this is a Pashtoon forum, but what you said is completely inaccurate. They don't eat pulao in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan? Seriously? Mantoo? They don't eat tirway in places like Turkey?

About Pekhawar, your father's experience withstanding, I find it hard to believe that in the course of 60 years, let's say even 100, people, all across the Durrand absolutely shunned and or forgot how to cook any of the cuisine cooked in Afghanistan. In the west, people whose family immigrated 200 years ago still make their staple dishes from their ancestral homeland and to tell me that Pashtoons in Pakistan, who live literally next to Pashtoons in Afghanistan, have forgotten these dishes in the span of 60 years is absolutely ridiculous.

You really need to expand your sources outside of your family and Wikipedia to have an accurate view of things as its not much of a sample size. We have many admirable qualities but everything did not originate from us and we borrowed many things from others including language, clothes, food, etc.

What is more important, and what a Pashtoon should hang their proverbial hat on, or in our case I suppose our lungee are things others have attempted to copy from us, at least in antiquity, like our sturdiness, hospitality, respect, readiness to defend others, steadfastness to principal, etc. I feel these qualities are of the type that make a person and what Pashtoons truly feel proud of and have a right to feel proud of.

[Pukhtoon]

Geography, proximity and interaction of Pashtuns with Indians and Uzbeks/Tajiks etc is the prime factor of the divergent tendency of Pashtuns. Today's Pakistani Pashtuns were always closer geographically to Indians while Afghanistani Pashtuns to Uzbeks/Tajiks.

As Afghanistani Pashtuns today speak Dari while Pakistani Pashtuns are bilingual in Urdu, the same might have happened in cuisine.

What I have seen that because of geographical proximity dishes of Kunar are very similar or the same as I saw in Dir. The same can be found in case of Kandahar and Quetta.

An Ahmadzai wazir living in Waziristan of Pakistan will not cook differently than another Ahmadzai wazir living in Afghanistan however on regional level there may be differences in cuisine on both sides.

I think this difference of cuisine will be further minimized when Afghan dishes are introduced more and more in Paksitan and the same the other way round. As marriages are taking place in families on both sides of Durand line, the gap will be minimized.

Thank you for addressing the purpose of my post, appreciated. This makes more sense to me then your previous post although I still feel the cuisines, even between some of the areas close in proximity like you mentioned are much more different then you lead on.

Further, the regional argument doesn't seem to hold weight given that in the deep south of Afghanistan you see the same dishes as in the north with very minor differences, if any but at the same time, a place like Pekhawar which is much closer to Kabul then somewhere like Kandahar, has a vastly different cuisine and about zero overlapping dishes.

I believe I mentioned this point earlier in the thread but the long and short of things, I think, is that the Durrand line probably hasn't changed much practically as between Pashtoons - maybe the culture of Pekhawar et al. was always this way with a seemingly heavy adoption of South Asian elements and the Durrand just made it more official. The more I think about an issue like cuisine, and then subsequently other issues where our cultures deviate the more I think we were really fractured for some time prior to the Durrand which is maybe why it was so easy to divide Khyber Pakhtunkhwaa from Loiy Afghanistan.

I think, as I mentioned in an earlier post, at our very core, the things we hold most dear, we are the same but much of our "facade," things like clothing, entertainment, food, proverbs, idioms, etc. have become much more distinct. It stands to only get worse the longer Khyber Pakhtunkhwaa and Afghanistan remain apart especially with the way Pashtoon language and culture is being attacked on the Pakistan side through lack of funding, exposure, education in Pashto, etc. Afghanistan faces a similar attack, at least implicitly, on all things Pashtoon but because of the demographic breakdown, and Pashtoons being the majority, its much less pervasive then on the Pakistan side where, despite having an equal or greater number of total Pashtoons then Afghanistan, as a percentage, they pale in comparison to the Punjabi population.

[Pakwatan]

Oh yar, Bismillah paro toh kah lo.

This thread made me so hungry..

Anyways as a Pakistani Punjabi, I'd like to throw in my two cents.

Pashtuns and Punjabis do not cook the same way in terms of preparation or even ingredients.

A basic example would be that Pashtuns generally use hari mirch, while in Punjab we will use lal mirch.

I think food entirely depends on if it's tasty or not. I don't know if you guys have shwarmas in Afghanistan, but today in Pakistan we do. Ten years back shwarma was entirely unheard of in Pakistan.

Somebody picked it up from an Arabic country, brought it over and the people ended up liking it.

Also sajji is very popular all over Pakistan which is a Baluch dish. I don't know if Pashtuns have an equivalent to sajji, but the people approved and now can be found in every city.

People will adopt whatever food tastes good.


Afghan food is quite popular in Pakistan, even in Punjab. Many Afghans own truck refueling stations and will build nice restaurants right next to them.

Contrary to popular belief, villages in Punjab do not use spices in their day to day meals.

[Kushan Prince]

Just for the sake of being accurate, despite the obvious bias being that this is a Pashtoon forum, but what you said is completely inaccurate. They don't eat pulao in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan? Seriously? Mantoo? They don't eat tirway in places like Turkey?

About Pekhawar, your father's experience withstanding, I find it hard to believe that in the course of 60 years, let's say even 100, people, all across the Durrand absolutely shunned and or forgot how to cook any of the cuisine cooked in Afghanistan. In the west, people whose family immigrated 200 years ago still make their staple dishes from their ancestral homeland and to tell me that Pashtoons in Pakistan, who live literally next to Pashtoons in Afghanistan, have forgotten these dishes in the span of 60 years is absolutely ridiculous.

You really need to expand your sources outside of your family and Wikipedia to have an accurate view of things as its not much of a sample size. We have many admirable qualities but everything did not originate from us and we borrowed many things from others including language, clothes, food, etc.

What is more important, and what a Pashtoon should hang their proverbial hat on, or in our case I suppose our lungee are things others have attempted to copy from us, at least in antiquity, like our sturdiness, hospitality, respect, readiness to defend others, steadfastness to principal, etc. I feel these qualities are of the type that make a person and what Pashtoons truly feel proud of and have a right to feel proud of.

My family is excellent proof. Unlike you who is a bigoted moron acussing me of using Wikipedia, you more unaware that historians say pashtun culture is pure and im pretty sure that includes our cusine as well. Turwey is most drinked among the pashtuns of kandahar, but you being a paki you wouldn't know that since turwey is a DRINK and not a food. your people eat curry and other punjabi dishes.

"and we borrowed many things from others including language, clothes, food, etc."

Really? so according to you, Pashto language was borrowed from tajiks or whoever comes to mind? so what exactly do you think pashtuns were wearing in alexanders time Einstein if it wasn't kameez partog?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

My family is excellent proof. Unlike you who is a bigoted moron acussing me of using Wikipedia, you more unaware that historians say pashtun culture is pure and im pretty sure that includes our cusine as well. Turwey is most drinked among the pashtuns of kandahar, but you being a paki you wouldn't know that since turwey is a DRINK and not a food. your people eat curry and other punjabi dishes.

"and we borrowed many things from others including language, clothes, food, etc."

Really? so according to you, Pashto language was borrowed from tajiks or whoever comes to mind? so what exactly do you think pashtuns were wearing in alexanders time Einstein if it wasn't kameez partog?

Genius, terwey means salty. It can be a drink. But it can refer to other stuff as well. The drink, terwey is also called shlombey or shrombey.

[Pukhtoon]

My family is excellent proof. Unlike you who is a bigoted moron acussing me of using Wikipedia, you more unaware that historians say pashtun culture is pure and im pretty sure that includes our cusine as well. Turwey is most drinked among the pashtuns of kandahar, but you being a paki you wouldn't know that since turwey is a DRINK and not a food. your people eat curry and other punjabi dishes.

"and we borrowed many things from others including language, clothes, food, etc."

Really? so according to you, Pashto language was borrowed from tajiks or whoever comes to mind? so what exactly do you think pashtuns were wearing in alexanders time Einstein if it wasn't kameez partog?

A few things, first, I'm from Afghanistan.

As to Pashto language, you seriously think we haven't borrowed anything? Have you ever compared Persian grammar and Pashto grammar? You do know we had NO written script until the 1500's and Persian did and Pir Roshan, who is credited with creating the written Pashto language, was fluent in Persian and Arabic, and relied on Persian grammar to create written Pashto. So, that's all a lie? Also, where is kitaab originate from? Lobaiy? Awdas? All indigenous words? Have you opened up a Pashto dictionary and taken a look at all the Arabic loan words which actually came by way of Farsi? Have you put a Pashto and Farsi dictionary side by side and tell me their is no overlap? Or did Persians steal all of the Pashto language since Pashtoons were the center of learning and arts for centuries (sarcasm since you probably think this is true). Probably makes more sense that the language of intelligentsia in the region for several centuries, Persian, was borrowed from and not vice versa but that's too logical an assumption make, it was probably other way around.

Also, do you even speak Pashto? As far as I understand it you don't, so I don't know how this makes you an authority and from what I understand, all your information is third hand and stories, so again, you really need to back up how strongly you are asserting your opinion here.

Secondly, if your such the Pashtooon purist, why the Paki comments? A Paki Pashtoon is more Pashtoon then a Canadian Pashtoon, they at least speak Pashto.

Third, your family is not a great sample size to draw from. You cite your father as your sources on numerous posts, have you ever consulted an academic paper, ever? Have you ever seen any bibliography say "Source: Dad." Without going into great detail, I figure you would understand that a source like mom, dad, etc. is probably not going to be given a lot of credibility especially since your bias' are probably theirs as well and secondly, who has vetted anything your "source" has said? This is why we typically cite to texts and other sources who have at least been vetted somewhat.

Your retorts to me were calling me bigoted? Exactly how was I bigoted? Seriously, before you try to insult people do you even know what it means? I also in no way, shape, or form understand how you could take anything I had to say as anti-Afghan, which probably means you didn't read the whole of the post which is another clue as to why your talking the way you are.

Because I said tirway is eaten, and not drunk, a mistype on my part, it just does the rest of the argument in? Got it - when someone can't respond to substances this is what they do. As to tirway, in its many shapes and forms, is drunk all over Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. with the same common ingredients although with different hints and regional flavors - you are so unequivocally sure that this drink has its origin amongst the Pashtoons and no one else based on what? The Pashtoon food almanac circa what year? Did they find a bottle of petrified tirway somewhere in Kandahar? To be so adamant about something that can't really be substantiated and on top of that, much information to lead someone to believe their might have been some assimilation of cuisine or foreign introduction is just stupefying. You don't know this because your honestly very unaware of the world and have this crazy, silly, unsubstantiated belief about Pashtoons. Also, you talk about tirway as though no one in Pakistan drinks it or its something unique to Kandahar lol. Every part of Afghanistan drinks tirway, or shulumay/shurumbay.

You say, "historians say" that Pashtoon culture is pure so your sure our cuisine is as well, seriously, that's your response? Have you ever read or written even a simple school paper? Do you understand how silly what you said sounds? For starters, because "a historian" (God knows who or if they even exist) said something it doesn't make it accurate. Secondly, if culture is "pure" what does that even mean? Based on what standard? Third, if one aspect of culture is pure, it immediately means the rest is as well? That was a dead serious argument? So, essentially, every food like sambosa, mantoo, even rice, all Pashtoon dishes 100% and everyone else copied us forgetting the fact that we weren't even one nation until the 1700's but rather roaming nomads and khanates. No one wore lungee before us, no one grew wheat, no one hit a dool, no one made a kabab, nothing, we invented everything and it spread through the rest of the world, got it.

And just as an aside, your very ill-mannered. It just baffles me some of the people I meet here and to know their Pashtoon and better yet (worse) from the Afghan side, I never have encountered people that react in this way in real life - if your so concerned about laying claim to anything positive for Pashtoons maybe you should work on your adab first.

[Kushan Prince]

A few things, first, I'm from Afghanistan.

As to Pashto language, you seriously think we haven't borrowed anything? Have you ever compared Persian grammar and Pashto grammar? You do know we had NO written script until the 1500's and Persian did and Pir Roshan, who is credited with creating the written Pashto language, was fluent in Persian and Arabic, and relied on Persian grammar to create written Pashto. So, that's all a lie? Also, where is kitaab originate from? Lobaiy? Awdas? All indigenous words? Have you opened up a Pashto dictionary and taken a look at all the Arabic loan words which actually came by way of Farsi? Have you put a Pashto and Farsi dictionary side by side and tell me their is no overlap? Or did Persians steal all of the Pashto language since Pashtoons were the center of learning and arts for centuries (sarcasm since you probably think this is true). Probably makes more sense that the language of intelligentsia in the region for several centuries, Persian, was borrowed from and not vice versa but that's too logical an assumption make, it was probably other way around.

Also, do you even speak Pashto? As far as I understand it you don't, so I don't know how this makes you an authority and from what I understand, all your information is third hand and stories, so again, you really need to back up how strongly you are asserting your opinion here.

Secondly, if your such the Pashtooon purist, why the Paki comments? A Paki Pashtoon is more Pashtoon then a Canadian Pashtoon, they at least speak Pashto.

Third, your family is not a great sample size to draw from. You cite your father as your sources on numerous posts, have you ever consulted an academic paper, ever? Have you ever seen any bibliography say "Source: Dad." Without going into great detail, I figure you would understand that a source like mom, dad, etc. is probably not going to be given a lot of credibility especially since your bias' are probably theirs as well and secondly, who has vetted anything your "source" has said? This is why we typically cite to texts and other sources who have at least been vetted somewhat.

Your retorts to me were calling me bigoted? Exactly how was I bigoted? Seriously, before you try to insult people do you even know what it means? I also in no way, shape, or form understand how you could take anything I had to say as anti-Afghan, which probably means you didn't read the whole of the post which is another clue as to why your talking the way you are.

Because I said tirway is eaten, and not drunk, a mistype on my part, it just does the rest of the argument in? Got it - when someone can't respond to substances this is what they do. As to tirway, in its many shapes and forms, is drunk all over Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. with the same common ingredients although with different hints and regional flavors - you are so unequivocally sure that this drink has its origin amongst the Pashtoons and no one else based on what? The Pashtoon food almanac circa what year? Did they find a bottle of petrified tirway somewhere in Kandahar? To be so adamant about something that can't really be substantiated and on top of that, much information to lead someone to believe their might have been some assimilation of cuisine or foreign introduction is just stupefying. You don't know this because your honestly very unaware of the world and have this crazy, silly, unsubstantiated belief about Pashtoons. Also, you talk about tirway as though no one in Pakistan drinks it or its something unique to Kandahar lol. Every part of Afghanistan drinks tirway, or shulumay/shurumbay.

You say, "historians say" that Pashtoon culture is pure so your sure our cuisine is as well, seriously, that's your response? Have you ever read or written even a simple school paper? Do you understand how silly what you said sounds? For starters, because "a historian" (God knows who or if they even exist) said something it doesn't make it accurate. Secondly, if culture is "pure" what does that even mean? Based on what standard? Third, if one aspect of culture is pure, it immediately means the rest is as well? That was a dead serious argument? So, essentially, every food like sambosa, mantoo, even rice, all Pashtoon dishes 100% and everyone else copied us forgetting the fact that we weren't even one nation until the 1700's but rather roaming nomads and khanates. No one wore lungee before us, no one grew wheat, no one hit a dool, no one made a kabab, nothing, we invented everything and it spread through the rest of the world, got it.

And just as an aside, your very ill-mannered. It just baffles me some of the people I meet here and to know their Pashtoon and better yet (worse) from the Afghan side, I never have encountered people that react in this way in real life - if your so concerned about laying claim to anything positive for Pashtoons maybe you should work on your adab first.

So your calling my dad a lier? lol, so for example if anyone you knew saw someone that committed a murder, would you not believe them and ask for more proof? My father travaled to Pekhwear back in the early 80's during university while working as a volunteer worker for refugees and he was invited to dinner by a pashtun who belonged to the same tribe as us and my father was served kabali pulwao. the say dish you would find in Afghanistan. Am i denying that Pashtuns didn't borrow anything from others? ofcourse not, every nation borrows something from their neighbor but the way you put is if you think that Pashtuns borrowed EVERYTHING from others without anything being native to us. Are you going to tell us Pashtunwali was also influenced by outsiders? I bet you didn't even know what turwey was until SK as well mentioned it. I'm getting a Durand line pashtun vibe from you.

By saying Pashtun culture and cuisine has had a large amount of influence from outsider is an insult to a people with 5000 years of history and a people who are known for being unconquerable. Also i didn't read your whole post as it is all just rambling nonsense and assumptions based on opinions with no verifying evidence at all. Not to mention majority of us can care LESS what you think.

[Pukhtoon]

So your calling my dad a lier? lol, so for example if anyone you knew saw someone that committed a murder, would you not believe them and ask for more proof? My father travaled to Pekhwear back in the early 80's during university while working as a volunteer worker for refugees and he was invited to dinner by a pashtun who belonged to the same tribe as us and my father was served kabali pulwao. the say dish you would find in Afghanistan. Am i denying that Pashtuns didn't borrow anything from others? ofcourse not, every nation borrows something from their neighbor but the way you put is if you think that Pashtuns borrowed EVERYTHING from others without anything being native to us. Are you going to tell us Pashtunwali was also influenced by outsiders? I bet you didn't even know what turwey was until SK as well mentioned it. I'm getting a Durand line pashtun vibe from you.

By saying Pashtun culture and cuisine has had a large amount of influence from outsider is an insult to a people with 5000 years of history and a people who are known for being unconquerable. Also i didn't read your whole post as it is all just rambling nonsense and assumptions based on opinions with no verifying evidence at all. Not to mention majority of us can care LESS what you think.

I don't know your father to comment. As to the murder analogy, it's idiotic for a few reasons but namely because its a solitary incident just like your dad's Pekhawar story and I'm not asking if any Pakistani Pashtoon knows how to make Qabili, which woudl be a solitary incident that would prove your point but rather, I was asking about widespread adoption of similar food so one instance doesn't create proof that it occurs with the rest of the 70 million Pashtoons in Pakistan. Secondly, if someone told me someone got murdered, no, I wouldn't immediately believed them unless I knew them (and although I doubt your father would randomly make facts and figures as you have in numerous posts, I still don't know him) and even then, if its truth was of any importance to me, I would find out from other actual sources.

One single, solitary, invitation to a home does not mean 70 million Pashtoons do the same thing - you truly cannot think that's enough to justify your claim. Ask some Pakistani Pashtoons here about what they cook at home, they know more then you what they cook and none of them have said they cook any of the dishes I mentioned at home at least on a widespread basis. So, again, your wrong.

You absolutely implied all these dishes are not borrowed whatsoever.

I did not say every dish, just the dishes I mentioned, i.e., BORROWED CUISINE and its an insult to you maybe who hangs his hat on food rather then any of the other traits that actually mean something to Pashtoons like chivalry, melmastiya, etc. although you probably don't even know what that word means because you don't know Pashto. Although you may have picked up more expert analysis watching the Beast.


Your vibe is wrong, you don't even speak Pashto and know little about Afghan culture and your only interaction seems to be stories from diaspora or Canadian-Afghans like yourself which are completely detached from reality.

As to Pashtoonwali, if you actually read the post, many of its concepts is what I said OTHERS have copied and many of its concepts is what we should be proud of, cuisine is not as important to me to be honest. Maybe if you read the post before commenting you would have caught that.

Your really silly if you don't think I don't know what Tirway is and if you even wanted to call my legitimacy into question based on that fact, I think a larger illegitimacy is your not even speaking Pashto and probably never having set foot in any Pashtoon lands aside from "Loya Toronto."

Whether were unconquerable and what food we have is completely juxtaposed topics - have you ever stopped to think that maybe we took so many dishes because the people we conquered were employed to many of the royal courts? That spin on things will probably make you accept borrowed parts of our culture.

You say you didn't read my post and yet continue to comment and then say its rambling nonsense, how can you know without reading it? You shouldn't comment on people's posts when you fail to even read the whole thing, it's only about a page, its not much to read.

If you don't care about what I have to think, don't reply to begin with. My post was long because you were wrong on so many accounts and completely rude and bay adab.

You make things up randomly, throw out random percentages, and then say a family member said it so it must be true - its' beyond juvenile.

[Pukhtoon]

My family is excellent proof. Unlike you who is a bigoted moron acussing me of using Wikipedia

Just to be thorough, on this very thread, here are a few quotes from you which highlight your affinity for using Wikipedia for Afghan history:

Well i disagree. Pashtun culture and cuisine are very unique.

Pashtun cuisine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you know Turwey is a pashtun drink that was was still drinked in ancient times?

QUOTE #2:

read it a long time ago somewhere on wiki Can't find the article right now.

I guess I wasn't so off-base in saying you consult Wikipedia. I suspect perusing the rest of your posts will reveal a similar result.

[rednwhite99]

Just to be thorough, on this very thread here are a few quotes from you which highlight your affinity for using Wikipedia for your Afghan history:



QUOTE #2:



I guess I wasn't so off-base in saying you consult Wikipedia. I suspect perusing the rest of your posts will reveal a similar result.

Brother most of the food is similar in pakistan and Afghanistan, its just the way its made is a bit different.
As soon as you go south you will find people who like more spices in their food for example a pashtun from Afghanistan eats less spices as compared to Pashtun from pakistan who will eat less as compared to a Punjabi, then as you go south the amount of spice increases. Now i cant even taste south indian dishes because they are very spicy and are made differently. Biryani is made their too but its very spicy..

There are some dishes that are present amongst pashtuns of pakistan but not amongst Afghan Pashtuns. Same goes other way around.

[Kushan Prince]

I don't know your father to comment. As to the murder analogy, it's idiotic for a few reasons but namely because its a solitary incident just like your dad's Pekhawar story and I'm not asking if any Pakistani Pashtoon knows how to make Qabili, which woudl be a solitary incident that would prove your point but rather, I was asking about widespread adoption of similar food so one instance doesn't create proof that it occurs with the rest of the 70 million Pashtoons in Pakistan. Secondly, if someone told me someone got murdered, no, I wouldn't immediately believed them unless I knew them (and although I doubt your father would randomly make facts and figures as you have in numerous posts, I still don't know him) and even then, if its truth was of any importance to me, I would find out from other actual sources.

One single, solitary, invitation to a home does not mean 70 million Pashtoons do the same thing - you truly cannot think that's enough to justify your claim. Ask some Pakistani Pashtoons here about what they cook at home, they know more then you what they cook and none of them have said they cook any of the dishes I mentioned at home at least on a widespread basis. So, again, your wrong.

You absolutely implied all these dishes are not borrowed whatsoever.

I did not say every dish, just the dishes I mentioned, i.e., BORROWED CUISINE and its an insult to you maybe who hangs his hat on food rather then any of the other traits that actually mean something to Pashtoons like chivalry, melmastiya, etc. although you probably don't even know what that word means because you don't know Pashto. Although you may have picked up more expert analysis watching the Beast.


Your vibe is wrong, you don't even speak Pashto and know little about Afghan culture and your only interaction seems to be stories from diaspora or Canadian-Afghans like yourself which are completely detached from reality.

As to Pashtoonwali, if you actually read the post, many of its concepts is what I said OTHERS have copied and many of its concepts is what we should be proud of, cuisine is not as important to me to be honest. Maybe if you read the post before commenting you would have caught that.

Your really silly if you don't think I don't know what Tirway is and if you even wanted to call my legitimacy into question based on that fact, I think a larger illegitimacy is your not even speaking Pashto and probably never having set foot in any Pashtoon lands aside from "Loya Toronto."

Whether were unconquerable and what food we have is completely juxtaposed topics - have you ever stopped to think that maybe we took so many dishes because the people we conquered were employed to many of the royal courts? That spin on things will probably make you accept borrowed parts of our culture.

You say you didn't read my post and yet continue to comment and then say its rambling nonsense, how can you know without reading it? You shouldn't comment on people's posts when you fail to even read the whole thing, it's only about a page, its not much to read.

If you don't care about what I have to think, don't reply to begin with. My post was long because you were wrong on so many accounts and completely rude and bay adab.

You make things up randomly, throw out random percentages, and then say a family member said it so it must be true - its' beyond juvenile.

Wow you know so much about me! Where I live and what not like a true stalker. I don't know how you got to the conclusion that I can't speak pashto considering I've talked to tons of people on here. Anyways you seem a bit angry so I will let you believe what you want since its obvious that you suffer from confirmation bias. Enjoy the stay paki!

[Pukhtoon]

Wow you know so much about me! Where I live and what not like a true stalker. I don't know how you got to the conclusion that I can't speak pashto considering I've talked to tons of people on here. Anyways you seem a bit angry so I will let you believe what you want since its obvious that you suffer from confirmation bias. Enjoy the stay paki!

ِYou can't respond because your wrong so then you quit and say another juvenile thing. Wakht chee nor shay ne woo, wayee te Pakistani ye lol Likka yaw wurrokay alec shayaan wayee. Maybe your Punjabi brother as you have this crazy Paki obsession, I really don't know. Maybe ask your qowm from Loya Toronto.

I know I'm Afghan and before that Pashtoon and before that Muslim, I don't know that I can say the same for you. About Pashto I'm pretty sure you don't know Pashto, you honestly give off that "vibe."

Chee rikhtia taw te wowaiyum ze daer fikr kawom te Punjabi ye, ke Punjabi ne ye Pukhtoon ne ye, aslan jatt ye, tajik ye, uzbek ye, ke sara doiyee khalig gad ye, mawloom sahee ne dah kho nor shay ye, Pukhtoon ne ye. Aw chee dawsay sara mukhtalif khalig nafrat laree mumkin dah chee zikka chee chee te aslan Pukhtoon ne ye. Sta khaburee aw mantiq likka Punjabyaan dah kho daw khaburra di Punjabyaan di pawrah dow dah, zikka chee di Punjabyaan lih sta nah daer khoubtara dah.

Insaan sah, akil paiydaw kah, aw bay mantiq khaburreih mo waiyah. Sakht khaburree mowaiyah aw chee waiyee, sahee zawaab rakah aw chee kawolay nissay bakhala wughwarah. Chee di plaar di paarah imdumra ihtiraam laree insaan ghundi khaburreee wokah - dorogh wayil aw bay adab loghatoona istimaal kawol di insanee awadat neda.

[Pukhtoon]

Also kindly address the previous post, where I provide you two quotes about your affinity for Wikipedia - why were you so "insulted" when I mentioned your using Wikipedia as a source when you admit to using it twice on the same thread?

Wakht chee Khoday yaw tsook khijawlat day woku lol

[Badlun]

Kushan Prince is a great Pashtun who is proud of the thousands years of Pashtuns' history and culture. I share with him this sentiment that every where Pashtuns are one linguistically, culturally, historically, anthropologically, ethnically , socially and even spiritually.

We should try to highlight the common grounds in Pashtuns , the converging factors and may not exaggerate the diverging factors like those of cuisine. Pashtuns neighbors of other nations will definitely have some influence but the core Pashtun remains one.

Pashtuns for examples on western side merge into Tajiks etc and speak Dari while in the East they merge into Panjabis and many like Nyazis leave even speaking Pashto and cook Punjabi food. The influence is regional not merely Aafghan or Pakistani.